Meat "is not ethical" - BBC Breakfast
26 November 2010, 11:30 AM
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India is the worlds biggest sh*t pit (see recent thread), you are hardly convincing me to switch to a veggie diet by citing it as an example.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station.
The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed.
The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out.
Please take time to absorb the numbers above
The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around.
In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant.
all IMHO.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station.
The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed.
The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out.
Please take time to absorb the numbers above
The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around.
In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant.
all IMHO.
Brilliant post.
26 November 2010, 01:18 PM
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I love the idea of Saxo Boy looking at the universe and humanity this way and will politely remind him of this post when he next goes into a four page diatribe about which Steam Iron to buy 
To be fair, he doesnt do that these days so much !
To be fair, he doesnt do that these days so much !
26 November 2010, 01:21 PM
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What steam iron I buy won't matter to the world/universe....but it does matter to me. I want smooth t-shirts and no water surge when negotiating collars and cuffs
26 November 2010, 01:54 PM
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It's all about freedom of choice.
I chose to eat meat as I enjoy it. I never think how the animal was killed so I can enjoy my roast. Callous, maybe.
I am not interested in these folks who seem hell bent on seeing us all not enjoy anything in life. It seems anything that is remotely pleasurable, is bad for us.
Veggies, I have no problem with. It is their choice. Who is to say if they are healthier than meat eaters.
We have a Veggie friend and I am always astounded that she goes on about veggie bacon and sausauge
If she is so against meat, why does she want to eat something that looks like meat.
I chose to eat meat as I enjoy it. I never think how the animal was killed so I can enjoy my roast. Callous, maybe.
I am not interested in these folks who seem hell bent on seeing us all not enjoy anything in life. It seems anything that is remotely pleasurable, is bad for us.
Veggies, I have no problem with. It is their choice. Who is to say if they are healthier than meat eaters.
We have a Veggie friend and I am always astounded that she goes on about veggie bacon and sausauge
If she is so against meat, why does she want to eat something that looks like meat.
Oh, veggie bacon really doesn't do it. No matter how hard they try. Trust me on this.
However - the sausages... well apart from the 'proper' ones you get from the butchers. Frankly I could eat the damn' things on sale in a supermarket there's so little meat in the soggy cereal bars. the veggie ones aren't half bad, don't expect them to taste like the meat ones, but really the flavour is very enjoyable.
26 November 2010, 02:04 PM
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Excellent post.
India is the worlds biggest sh*t pit (see recent thread), you are hardly convincing me to switch to a veggie diet by citing it as an example.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station.
The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed.
The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out.
Please take time to absorb the numbers above
The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around.
In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant.
all IMHO.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station.
The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed.
The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out.
Please take time to absorb the numbers above
The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around.
In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant.
all IMHO.
26 November 2010, 02:18 PM
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Afternoon, Trout.
Out of interest, what came first, your adherence to Buddhism or your moral position around animal cruelty/vegetarianism or were the two parallel and symbiotic?
Out of interest, what came first, your adherence to Buddhism or your moral position around animal cruelty/vegetarianism or were the two parallel and symbiotic?
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26 November 2010, 03:09 PM
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I do study Buddhism as a philosophy and it is meaningful to me, but I am not a Buddhist per se.
26 November 2010, 03:18 PM
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Cool. I skimmed a couple of posts and misunderstood your outlook. So the two are unrelated. I guess being a fully paid up member of the Buddhist tradition would kind of spoil the fishing trips.
26 November 2010, 05:37 PM
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It's not that she WANTS to eat something that looks like meat, it's because the people selling it want it to... to appeal to a wider market.
Oh, veggie bacon really doesn't do it. No matter how hard they try. Trust me on this.
However - the sausages... well apart from the 'proper' ones you get from the butchers. Frankly I could eat the damn' things on sale in a supermarket there's so little meat in the soggy cereal bars. the veggie ones aren't half bad, don't expect them to taste like the meat ones, but really the flavour is very enjoyable.
Oh, veggie bacon really doesn't do it. No matter how hard they try. Trust me on this.
However - the sausages... well apart from the 'proper' ones you get from the butchers. Frankly I could eat the damn' things on sale in a supermarket there's so little meat in the soggy cereal bars. the veggie ones aren't half bad, don't expect them to taste like the meat ones, but really the flavour is very enjoyable.
I always get our sausage from the butchers, can't be doing with that supermarket stuff. Come to think of it, I get all my meat produce from the butchers. You have just reminded me I had best get the Turkey ordered
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India is the worlds biggest sh*t pit (see recent thread), you are hardly convincing me to switch to a veggie diet by citing it as an example.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station.
The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed.
The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out.
Please take time to absorb the numbers above
The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around.
In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant.
all IMHO.
I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station.
The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed.
The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out.
Please take time to absorb the numbers above
The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around.
In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant.
all IMHO.
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29 November 2010, 11:10 AM
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I mean it doesn't matter right...put into a 100 million years time-frame?
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Since then, I haven't looked back.dbp, I know many Levis Original British hippies and veggie wannabes that buy fake sausages and fake turky in Tesco. Why do they bother with fake stuff??? That's fake vegetarianism IMO.
Chicken, goat and fish will be fine, but people do not eat beef in India, and you are right. That will be due to very strong religious belief in cow's godly status, supported by their practical belief that cow's milk saves an orphan baby; virtually making cow the mother of the baby. I do feel guilty eating beef, but my logic wins my emotion, and I continue to bite on my juicy burger
29 November 2010, 04:25 PM
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QI Fact of the day
Before the end of the last Ice Age, people only ever grew plants for fun, not because they had to. The catastrophic floods caused by the melting of the ice-caps and the resulting shortage of land put a stop to that forever, and agriculture began.
Before the end of the last Ice Age, people only ever grew plants for fun, not because they had to. The catastrophic floods caused by the melting of the ice-caps and the resulting shortage of land put a stop to that forever, and agriculture began.
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