Yes you do, you aren't stupid.

As for your question how can I answer as a pro-Islamist when I am not one?

I don't have any leaning either way. I don't do religion, but I do like to live and let live.

Anyway you told us all yesterday there is no argument against your viewpoint so why do you keep on like a stuck record?

As I have said before why don't you go and find some Muslims on am Islamic forum to debate with..... scared you may not be able to hold your ground?

 

Which is exactly why you and people like you need to speak up as voices of reason. Stand up to those people within your regime that are threatening peace. When young Muslims are sponsoring and supporting Islamism, even on here, it can't be just the likes of me that say 'no'. It needs to be moderate Muslims like you too, Banny.

 

I see, so you have no strong view either way. It's been unclear as you've posted on almost every Islamacentric thread trying to derail the discussion, you keep implying that you do not want me and others to speak out against agressive Islamism and yesterday you stated that you'd prefer to be a Muslim than share commonly held views.

I also think it's unfair for someone that comes across as Islamic sympathiser to suggest that there aren't Muslims on here that could match me in a debate; I think that's disrespectful to the people that you appear to support. I'm confident there are some sensible moderate Muslims on the boards that'll have a strong voice and they have the right to be heard.

 

I think we both know what my comment meant. See DCI's pub analogy for the rest of it.

You constantly bemoan the fact that you have never found a Muslim who can convince you your views are wrong. All I am saying is if you REALLY wanted to you would have more chance on an Islam-centric forum than on a UK based Subaru Impreza forum. It's not rocket science JT.

 

anyone or are the questions to difficult

 

I'm pro-islam now...

Ally-ally-ackbar, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your **** for all eternity

DCI - not unlike Oscar Schindler - but without a list, as that's being compiled in detail buy the resident brown shirt sad case.

 

No that is all straw, I quite clearly said religious education outside of school was permitted.

Your argument is like saying that the split of church and state is persecution of the church.

Idiotic.

Religion should stay out of public life and school is part of public life being as it is a socialisation process.

 

Blimey, are you 3 still at it?

Come on...come....come and have a drink.
It'll look better in the morning.

 

If a Catholic school publicly stated it was protecting young Catholics from homosexuality, do you think that would be ignored by the gay rights groups etc?

 

Jolly kind of you to actually permit religious education, but where would you say it was ok to actually do that? What would forbidding faith schools actually achieve in that situation anyway?

You say that school is part of a process to teach about the social part of life. Of course it is, much of that is down to parents of course but teaching at school must also be a part of that.

Religion is also a part of a social existence. This is still theoretically a Christian country and therefore teaching about the existence of religion should also be included in a wide education. It is part of life in this country whether you believe in it or not. It won't have escaped many peoples' notice that Atheists are often the most manic about their beliefs and often act as though they would like to see any reference to religion stamped out. What on earth is wrong with keeping your own beliefs to yourself and showing a bit of tolerance to everyone else regardless of their beliefs?

Faith schools have a good reputation for teaching in general and very often you find people wanting to send their children to a school of a different faith to their own because they are so good.

I reckon that your idea of forbidding faith schools is grossly intolerant and since you started it, is a lot more "straw" than the situation as it has been for so many years.

Les

 

I have to agree, Muslims in general like to see their religion spread. I have not met any Muslim who would claim otherwise. Your choice of words are very revealing.

Definitely, but here, with you...... No thanks.


The internet is not the place, feel free to PM me & I may know someone not far from you who you could discuss this with in detail. As your below comments, along with your replies in the other thread, show that there is little benefit in continuing this here.

I espoused aggresive islamism? No I did not!
That is slander, please go back and edit your posts.

Again, total rubbish. Did I not say 'No'? I named names, showed the deviation in ideology, how to distinguish them etc.....

 

Sure you can have faith schools but outside of secular/public life i.e outside of normal school. Do you accept secularism or not? A childs principle education should be secular, not favoring one religion or another, in a school where different races and religions are able to mix, thus helping to engender a civil society and thus perpetuate democracy. The alternative is to have insularity and ghettos. People leave school without having even maybe talked to people of different religions or social backgrounds = disaster for democracy. The principles of the enlightenment say that religion is a personal/private choice, a matter of conscience, i.e not a social one, so education promoted by the state or supervised by it should be secular and not favoring a particular religion. You need a rethink on why we even send kids to school.

 

JTaylor you seem to watch what i say but i dont see you arguing with anyone else who slates muslims. im just replying to the banter that never seemsto end on here.

If i offended anyone with my comments on any thread then i apologies.

 

Morning!

FMPOV i do not dislike or distrust a race or religion. I may well dislike and distrust some people of a particular race or religion due to their actions (physical and or verbal) and/or their beliefs...

Mus - i would be more than comfortable with you 'watching my back' as i would with friends/acquaintances that i trust and like

I do not feel segregation of children or indeed adults by sex, religion or whatever is a good idea as it can lead to mistrust and misunderstanding. Better people mix together especially from an early age and gain an understanding.

 

Paul am I allowed to "watch you're back" or are you still worried about me

 

Still worried about you

again from our conversations i see you as a person first - a person who i like respect and indeed trust as long as i do not drop the soap...

 

I just got really wound up reading this thread, not too sure why...........

Shame theres a couple of idiots here though that have no intention of having a reasonable debate

 

Thanks for the PM the other day to which I responded encouraging you to post your thoughts. I'm conscious that you wish to continue the discussion privately, whilst I'm away at the moment, I will PM you when I return.

As an aside, aggressive Islamism doesn't have to encompass violence and I made these thoughts clear here:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=191

and here:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=192

If you found this post offensive:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=208

we may struggle as I stand by every word of it. I understand, as you've said, that many Muslims want to see their religion spread; well I don't. Not here, thank you. People can call me a racist or a bigot or mental or what ever they choose, I'll take the threats and intimidation, but I'll never sponsor, by inaction, the gradual creep of Islam in this country.

 

You’re a top man Paul visa versa I think ill watch your back first though lol

 

lol!

 

Get a room

 

Trust Habgood to come on a Muslim thread and try and get a bum!

Try and get it ya bender, Muslims and Sausages are a no no!!

 

Wow, that's an amazingly detailed and emotional tale of events, your ability to interject in this debate is impressive and it takes a lot to impress me.

I wouldn't call JT and Tony De Plank idiots - more like religiously intolerant of other peoples chosen faiths.

But fear not as they're compiling a list, a list of good people and bad... unfortunately with non-description posts like yours its unlikely that you'll actually even make a list.... probably just be forgotten, as....

Sorry what was your name again?

 

It seems I have misunderstood what islamism means, see here:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=137

I tried to get the term defined, and made the apparently incorrect assumption that by Islamism you were refering to those calling for Shariah Law in this country.

I now realise you consider any Muslim who doesn't hoard knowledge of the religion of Islaam for themselves and/or has children as 'an islamist' & therefore 'the problem'.

 

Do you subscribe to secularism - the notion that church (or mosque) and state should work and will continue to work independently?

 

muslim sausages aint that bad actually you should try them some time lol

 

imho there are 4 religons that cant resist ramming it down othere peoples throats
mormons
witnesses
muslims
christians
they are all the same in my eyes they are able to bring thier god into any conversation , classic example , mother in law is a witness she attends funeral of her father in law and cant resist giving the priest a witness booklet . he had to tell her very politly no thank you , ( my wife nearly laughed her **** off and thats a lot of laughing) and bringing it into schools to under 16s imho is nothing short of brainwashing , the amout of 18year old witness defectors is a hell of a lot but as for the others i cant comment apart from muslims as they i believe cant leave even if they want to , so it should be banned in schools to allow children to make thier owns minds up not be brainwashed from a early age

 

I don't like you, and I never have and I doubt I ever will. Anyone who tells me to eff off on an internet forum, deserves my utter contempt, but......................
I agree with this statement.
This thread has interested me, greatly. I respect others for their religious beliefs and always will, but do not come to my Country and push Islam and it's Sharia Law onto me. It will never happen here, it will never be accepted. I welcome all newcomers to this small piece of land, but accept our rules, do not push yours onto others, do not try to take over and for those born here, you should know better.
I have a lot of Muslim friends who think these extremists are idiots, they will never win, so give it up.

 

So where were you went the people are bashing Catholicism on this board?

Hypocrisy?

 

I was right at the front, where were you?

The difference's are:

a) I dislike all faiths equally (I have no bias)
b) My friends that follow the faiths, remain my friends
c) I'm not judging my friends by what faith they chose to follow
d) I'm not pooping my pants that the country will be taken over by any particular faith
e) I don't constantly say "ad hom" in my posts
f) I like alphabetic lists
g) I don't cry if someone calls me a name
h) I don't use 'went' instead of 'when'
i) I don't subscribe to all muslims are bad
j) I like all the muslims on SNet
k) You're a ****
l) Did I mention my liking of lists?

HTH Twonk features