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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 03:37 PM
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i dont support any war on anyone...
war cost money and the war aint going to benfit me or you in any way. as british citizen i want better schools, shorter waiting list in hospitals safer streets. hense fix your home first...

better schools will educate the new generation,
better hospitals ive been waiting for knee reconstruction operation for nearly a year.
safer streets my brother was recently mugged at knife point.

the money thats waisted on war can benfit us all. thats why i dont agree with there policy on war.


MY DAD ALWAYS SAYS IF ANY COUNTRY COMES TO FIGHT THE UK THEN WE WILL FIGHT FOR THE UK NO MATTER WHO IT IS. AS THIS IS OUR HOME so if some random muslim country decides to occupy us then me and my family will die for this country. but for me to go and to another country @iraq@ and rob them for there resources that i refuse to support as its opression.

sorry about my spelling english is my 2nd language.
That is demoagougery. No resources are being robbed. Have you see how hard a bargain on oil royalties the Iraqi government drove when it made that oil liscence auction a while back?
Old Oct 27, 2010 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
. No resources are being robbed. Have you see how hard a bargain on oil royalties the Iraqi government drove when it made that oil liscence auction a while back?
Are you joking me ? Do you actually believe that ? It is clear that you know nothing about the enforced industrial meltdown of Iraq and the mechanisms for transporting all of Iraqs wealth to the USA's largest companies.
Old Oct 27, 2010 | 03:59 PM
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Are you joking me ? Do you actually believe that ? It is clear that you know nothing about the enforced industrial meltdown of Iraq and the mechanisms for transporting all of Iraqs wealth to the USA's largest companies.
Do you actually believe that?

What 'wealth transfer'?

The US lost money with Iraq despite it enriching some companies at the US's taxpyers expense.
Old Oct 27, 2010 | 04:18 PM
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tony i suggest you watch the zeitgeist addendum you will be suprised three parts to it. its a must watch. condalicer rice is also a director of an oil refinarry.
Old Oct 27, 2010 | 04:22 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-CpCUOygqU

american soldier his views on the war he aint muslim thats someone views someone who was actully there. not some politician sitting in his palace telling us porkies. the above video is 4 minutes long an american soldier hear what he has to say. from the horses mouth not what i say. and then give an opinion
Old Oct 27, 2010 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-CpCUOygqU

american soldier his views on the war he aint muslim thats someone views someone who was actully there. not some politician sitting in his palace telling us porkies. the above video is 4 minutes long an american soldier hear what he has to say. from the horses mouth not what i say. and then give an opinion
that was scripted, you could tell by the way he read it!
Old Oct 27, 2010 | 08:54 PM
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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 11:46 AM
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tony i suggest you watch the zeitgeist addendum you will be suprised three parts to it. its a must watch. condalicer rice is also a director of an oil refinarry.
It's lies and demagougery.
Old Oct 28, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Looks impressive anyway!

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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's lies and demagougery.
And you're asking people who reject Enlightenment thinking, submit to a bronze age sky fairy and employ wishthinking under the pain of death to observe this. I'm with you on it but dialogue is beginning to seem futile. Q. Do you believe in the God of the dessert people? A. Yes. End of reasoning.
Old Oct 28, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's lies and demagougery.
afternoon tony

how did you come to this conclusion?
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afternoon tony

how did you come to this conclusion?
Or perhaps not!
Old Oct 28, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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even robbie williams finds it interesting...
Old Oct 28, 2010 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's lies and demagougery.
Is this the mature and reasoned argument you were talking about earlier?
Old Oct 28, 2010 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Do you believe in the God of the dessert people?
A: No - their religion is a mere trifle.
Old Oct 28, 2010 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
And you're asking people who reject Enlightenment thinking, submit to a bronze age sky fairy and employ wishthinking under the pain of death to observe this. I'm with you on it but dialogue is beginning to seem futile. Q. Do you believe in the God of the dessert people? A. Yes. End of reasoning.

Could you please, please, please explain in words that a simpleton like me can understand, what it is you mean by 'Enlightenment thinking'
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
A: No - their religion is a mere trifle.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Could you please, please, please explain in words that a simpleton like me can understand, what it is you mean by 'Enlightenment thinking'
http://www.google.co.uk/m/search?oe=...&ved=0CA8QBSgA
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Q. Do you believe in the God of the dessert people?
A. Yes, and witness hundreds and thousands of angels delight as verily do Birds take custardy of my soul.
Old Oct 29, 2010 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Well, have a look at this:


Almost all of these countries were party to the Age of Enlightenment/Reason. Evolution, scientific method, secularism, emancipation, etc. all sprung from this period. If you ran the poll above in, say, the Middle East, evolution would barely register.

http://www.google.co.uk/m/search?oe=...+enlightenment

This is basic, immutable, historical fact: the West was shaped by the Enlightenment. Islam and the countries within which Islam is prevalant (to an overwhelming degree) was not. You keep bothering me with this, yet these terms are immediately familiar to anyone that has even a superficial knowledge of the discussion.

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@ Martin

http://www.themodernreligion.com/ht/faith-future.html

Here's a transcript I've just read from the front page of the google I did for you. It's a good example of a Muslim scholar's analysis of the Enlightenment and is helpful because it's not partisan and therefore you're less likely to think that I've posted it with bias or agenda.

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Why is it so difficult for YOU to tell ME what YOU mean by Enlightenment thinking...and remember keep it simple
Old Oct 29, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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Bit of a circular tour!

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Old Oct 29, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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LOL, simple, no chance :-)
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Why is it so difficult for YOU to tell ME what YOU mean by Enlightenment thinking...and remember keep it simple
I don't appreciate your tone but I'll humour you as it seems to be the only gap left to fill.

As it happens, I've already schooled you on this here:

https://www.scoobynet.com/855681-isl...of-life-3.html

From post 68. You're like a little kiddy that asks a question, gets a fair answer and then asks the same question a few days later.

Anyway, Enlightenment thinking: advocating free enquiry where sound human reasoning is the primary source of authority and legitimacy.

This is in opposition to theonomous thinking where God is the authority and legitimacy is with God's word via scripture.

I subcribe to the former, Islam the latter.

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OMG you don't half talk some bullsh*t
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I personally think we should get out of Europe A.S.A.P Nothing but parasites
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Why is it so difficult for YOU to tell ME what YOU mean by Enlightenment thinking...and remember keep it simple
Why are you typing like a retarded fcukwit? Oops, ignore that - I think I've just answered my own question
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tony i suggest you watch the zeitgeist addendum you will be suprised three parts to it. its a must watch. condalicer rice is also a director of an oil refinarry.
I've watched this a couple of times, now. Tell me, how do you square your religious bondage with the dominant message in this film? To my eyes they're mutually exclusive. We (that'll be human beings) can't move from a monetary system to a resource system whilst we have stagnant Islam in the way. Which do you choose? Do you genuinely think or feel that Islam can deliver the utopian goal without embracing freethinking and therefor committing institutional suicide?

The message in this film comes as a package. What do you choose? Can you choose?

http://www.thevenusproject.com/
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Originally Posted by Mus
afternoon tony

how did you come to this conclusion?
It's tin foil hat nonsense.

It's easier to blame everything on the 'other' than actually think.



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