Islamic face-veil part of 'British way of life'
16 October 2010, 10:04 PM
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Edd - I do have a complaint about a Chinese man!
I traded a car in at a garage, the garage sold the car to the aforementioned chinese man who then went through numerous speed cameras and parked illegally all over Cambridge. The result was that I was nearly disqualified from driving and had various threats etc from Camb City Council about non-payment of fines and enforcemant procedures. I know that the garage shoulder some of the responsibility but if the chinese man had registered the car to himself then none of it would have happened.
So as to stay in keeping with the thread though, he was probably a muslim who was wearing the veil when he committed all of the offences
I traded a car in at a garage, the garage sold the car to the aforementioned chinese man who then went through numerous speed cameras and parked illegally all over Cambridge. The result was that I was nearly disqualified from driving and had various threats etc from Camb City Council about non-payment of fines and enforcemant procedures. I know that the garage shoulder some of the responsibility but if the chinese man had registered the car to himself then none of it would have happened.
So as to stay in keeping with the thread though, he was probably a muslim who was wearing the veil when he committed all of the offences
16 October 2010, 10:17 PM
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it has no place in this country, as has already been pointed out, if i walk down the street with a balaclava on i would be forced to take it off or arrested.
16 October 2010, 11:36 PM
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16 October 2010, 11:44 PM
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Any intellectualisation is subjective and therefore makes it no different to a 'feeling'. Just giving it the term 'intellectualisation' does not actually make it free from emotional and irrational bias, far from it.
So I ask you again, do you have an inferiority complex? Do you believe all these people are making a statement to you and the 'mainstream' (of which you must be a part) that they are better than you?
16 October 2010, 11:46 PM
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1) Public disoder act? What's that? Not using deodorant??
2) Scaring people into thinking you are a robber? That's a law is it? You've actually heard of that law have you?
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16 October 2010, 11:51 PM
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Personally I find the wearing of a veil quite odd and disconcerting. But that's probably my problem not theirs.
But I'm entirely unconvinced of the point banning it. I don't think this would do any good at all. Simply fuel more us versus them sentiment
I do agree however that if you work in an environment where you have to intimately interact with people you should not wear a veil.
But I'm entirely unconvinced of the point banning it. I don't think this would do any good at all. Simply fuel more us versus them sentiment
I do agree however that if you work in an environment where you have to intimately interact with people you should not wear a veil.
16 October 2010, 11:55 PM
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I'm not answering on TDW's behalf but would like to offer my own rationalisation which is this: the wearing of a burkha is a symbolic opposition to the Enlightenment derived, liberal principles upon which my country (and that of our cousins in Europe and America) are based. My view is that burkha wearing screams 'I'm fundamentally different to you'. One can only assume that those that engage in this kind of posturing do so in the belief that their position is superior.
17 October 2010, 12:00 AM
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I'm not answering on TDW's behalf but would like to offer my own rationalisation which is this: the wearing of a burkha is a symbolic opposition to the Enlightenment derived, liberal principles upon which my country (and that of our cousins in Europe and America) are based. My view is that burkha wearing screams 'I'm fundamentally different to you'. One can only assume that those that engage in this kind of posturing do so in the belief that their position is superior.
17 October 2010, 12:03 AM
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I'm not answering on TDW's behalf but would like to offer my own rationalisation which is this: the wearing of a burkha is a symbolic opposition to the Enlightenment derived, liberal principles upon which my country (and that of our cousins in Europe and America) are based. My view is that burkha wearing screams 'I'm fundamentally different to you'. One can only assume that those that engage in this kind of posturing do so in the belief that their position is superior.
Would you mind explaining (please I keep on asking but to no effect) what you mean by 'Enlightenment', especially as you continually capitalise the E?
17 October 2010, 12:06 AM
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I genuinely admire your inclusive outlook, Martin, but fear that you are an apologist for a force that would, given the opportunity, crush liberal philosophy in an instant.
17 October 2010, 12:11 AM
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Doing nothing is incendiary. Banning the practice says this: enough's enough, we do not tolerate what this practice stands for, we will not tolerate proliferation of your ideology in this country.
I genuinely admire your inclusive outlook, Martin, but fear that you are an apologist for a force that would, given the opportunity, crush liberal philosophy in an instant.
I genuinely admire your inclusive outlook, Martin, but fear that you are an apologist for a force that would, given the opportunity, crush liberal philosophy in an instant.
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17 October 2010, 12:12 AM
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I know that embracing religion in a society these days isn't common, but at least the women who wear this garment are not scared to say I am faithfull and follow my faith.
I am not saying they are all perfect Muslims, but they do show their culture and religion a lot more respect than most of the christian or catholic women living in the uk.
Now don't get me wrong, I do maintain a when in Rome type of attitude, but I dont see people putting themselves out there to support their own faith.
I would like to see a bit more evidence that we as a society can be culturally strong, if we do not show or support our own faith, how can we damn another??
I am not saying they are all perfect Muslims, but they do show their culture and religion a lot more respect than most of the christian or catholic women living in the uk.
Now don't get me wrong, I do maintain a when in Rome type of attitude, but I dont see people putting themselves out there to support their own faith.
I would like to see a bit more evidence that we as a society can be culturally strong, if we do not show or support our own faith, how can we damn another??
17 October 2010, 12:17 AM
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Interesting. What does it say about enlightenment when 14 year old girls walk down the road in mini skirts and see through tops then? I find that just as odd as I do the Burkha, but if that's what they (and their parents) want to do that's their choice. It's fundamentally different to what I think is right but I don't believe they are posturing at me saying they are superior because they can expose more flesh
17 October 2010, 12:28 AM
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I know that embracing religion in a society these days isn't common, but at least the women who wear this garment are not scared to say I am faithfull and follow my faith.
I am not saying they are all perfect Muslims, but they do show their culture and religion a lot more respect than most of the christian or catholic women living in the uk.
Now don't get me wrong, I do maintain a when in Rome type of attitude, but I dont see people putting themselves out there to support their own faith.
I would like to see a bit more evidence that we as a society can be culturally strong, if we do not show or support our own faith, how can we damn another??
I am not saying they are all perfect Muslims, but they do show their culture and religion a lot more respect than most of the christian or catholic women living in the uk.
Now don't get me wrong, I do maintain a when in Rome type of attitude, but I dont see people putting themselves out there to support their own faith.
I would like to see a bit more evidence that we as a society can be culturally strong, if we do not show or support our own faith, how can we damn another??
I agree that we need to re-assert our identity but would suggest that this would be securalism. Islamism is in opposition to secularism.
17 October 2010, 12:33 AM
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I agree that we need to re-assert our identity but would suggest that this would be securalism. Islamism is in opposition to secularism.
So is Catholicism, Judaism and Buddhism, or any other mainstream religion for that matter
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17 October 2010, 12:37 AM
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I put up a link in the other thread and assumed that your reading of it would satisfactorily answer your question. The Enlightenment is the keystone of Western thought.
17 October 2010, 12:43 AM
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If you view the burkha 'as simply an item of clothing' then you disqualify yourself from the debate on the charge of ignorance. I'll assume the second part of your post was playful churlishness.
17 October 2010, 12:44 AM
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Where reason is advocated as the primary source for legitimacy and authority. Enlightement is captilised in the same way as Dark Ages is. It's pretty standard form.
I put up a link in the other thread and assumed that your reading of it would satisfactorily answer your question. The Enlightenment is the keystone of Western thought.
I put up a link in the other thread and assumed that your reading of it would satisfactorily answer your question. The Enlightenment is the keystone of Western thought.
17 October 2010, 12:54 AM
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So is Catholicism, Judaism and Buddhism, or any other mainstream religion for that matter[/QUOTE]
This is incorrect. You seem incapable of understanding the difference between the seperation of church and state (a pivotal idea within the Enlightenment) and Theocracy. Islamism proposes theocracy, the same cannot be said, with any credibility or meaning of the religions you mention above.
This is incorrect. You seem incapable of understanding the difference between the seperation of church and state (a pivotal idea within the Enlightenment) and Theocracy. Islamism proposes theocracy, the same cannot be said, with any credibility or meaning of the religions you mention above.
17 October 2010, 01:02 AM
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Yeah, they are all good people, just showing their commitment to their faith, religion and ideology. They mean no harm, let them intergate into our Christian communities, what harm can it do. We should all live together in peace and harmony. In fact we should look forward to the day, that day when we bring in a islamic/muslim prime minister and embrace the restructuring that they will bring. Just look at the love and peace that they have created for them selves in their own country. Now due to that success and the overwhelming influx of people into their homeland, they now feel that the UK and any other bend-over-and-take-it-up-the-*** western countries would also benifit from their beliefes and practices. Can you imagine the awful mess the western world would be in if it wasn't for their intervention.
All the lilly livered, liberal, multi-national fan boys and girls will have only them selves to blame.
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What source do you propose I use to differentiate between enlightenment and The Enlightenment and to explain to you how capitilisation works? I'm completely flexible.
I trust you're not trying to derail this debate with juvenille tactics, Martin. It is either that or you are lacking a broad understanding of the subject. As they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous.
I trust you're not trying to derail this debate with juvenille tactics, Martin. It is either that or you are lacking a broad understanding of the subject. As they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous.
17 October 2010, 08:32 AM
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What source do you propose I use to differentiate between enlightenment and The Enlightenment and to explain to you how capitilisation works? I'm completely flexible.
I trust you're not trying to derail this debate with juvenille tactics, Martin. It is either that or you are lacking a broad understanding of the subject. As they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous.
I trust you're not trying to derail this debate with juvenille tactics, Martin. It is either that or you are lacking a broad understanding of the subject. As they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous.
17 October 2010, 08:48 AM
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I'm not answering on TDW's behalf but would like to offer my own rationalisation which is this: the wearing of a burkha is a symbolic opposition to the Enlightenment derived, liberal principles upon which my country (and that of our cousins in Europe and America) are based. My view is that burkha wearing screams 'I'm fundamentally different to you'. One can only assume that those that engage in this kind of posturing do so in the belief that their position is superior.
17 October 2010, 09:29 AM
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