Cost of Porsche ownership
27 October 2010, 02:37 PM
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I didn't realise that the turbo(s) was 4wd. I also didn't realise that the turbo s had a top speed of 196hp
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Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
Top speed 196 hp (315 km/h)
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0-62 mph) 3.3 s Sport+
Acceleration from 0 - 160 kmh (0 - 99 mph) 7.1 s Sport+
Elasticity (80 - 120 km/h / 50 - 75 mph) 2.0 s (acceleration)
27 October 2010, 04:15 PM
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You could argue it would be hard for the salesman to reel me in as I have been hassling them for three months for a new build slot. Maybe it is a badge of honour, I kept going long enough and eventually I earned one!
The only selling they needed was letting me know that a slot was available.
Or do you think this is a long term sales strategy on their behalf. If you can stay the course you are a worthy customer
The only selling they needed was letting me know that a slot was available.
Or do you think this is a long term sales strategy on their behalf. If you can stay the course you are a worthy customer
27 October 2010, 04:16 PM
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I didn't realise that the turbo(s) was 4wd. I also didn't realise that the turbo s had a top speed of 196hp
Performance
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
Top speed 196 hp (315 km/h)
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0-62 mph) 3.3 s Sport+
Acceleration from 0 - 160 kmh (0 - 99 mph) 7.1 s Sport+
Elasticity (80 - 120 km/h / 50 - 75 mph) 2.0 s (acceleration)
Performance
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
Top speed 196 hp (315 km/h)
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0-62 mph) 3.3 s Sport+
Acceleration from 0 - 160 kmh (0 - 99 mph) 7.1 s Sport+
Elasticity (80 - 120 km/h / 50 - 75 mph) 2.0 s (acceleration)
As I said, on paper
27 October 2010, 05:43 PM
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Hi Trout on the subject of Porker ownership costs, before we got our C4S Cab we had a Boxster and that car went 4 years without missing a beat and only cost £1600 to service including 1 MOT in that time which is very good value. I am sure the C4S will be the same and that's why I wouldn't think twice about buying another Porsche.
GT3 was on the radar but the RS was a step to far. In the end 4WD ruled the head.
What's the scoop with the central wheel nut, can you buy the tool to remove the wheels yourself? Spotted a guy at the OPC getting a set of winter tyres fitted to his Turbo S, bit of a ball ache if you have to go back to the OPC if you want to change wheels or fit new tyres.
GT3 was on the radar but the RS was a step to far. In the end 4WD ruled the head.
What's the scoop with the central wheel nut, can you buy the tool to remove the wheels yourself? Spotted a guy at the OPC getting a set of winter tyres fitted to his Turbo S, bit of a ball ache if you have to go back to the OPC if you want to change wheels or fit new tyres.
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27 October 2010, 11:27 PM
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You can buy the wrench - but you need a torque wrench capable of 600nm!!!!!
500nm is standard for road, but there was a service bulletin advising 600nm for track days (I wonder if someone lost a wheel).
The word is that an OPC will swap a full set of tyres for you for around £90. Not much different to most places.
500nm is standard for road, but there was a service bulletin advising 600nm for track days (I wonder if someone lost a wheel).
The word is that an OPC will swap a full set of tyres for you for around £90. Not much different to most places.
28 October 2010, 12:50 AM
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28 October 2010, 07:26 AM
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You can buy the wrench - but you need a torque wrench capable of 600nm!!!!!
500nm is standard for road, but there was a service bulletin advising 600nm for track days (I wonder if someone lost a wheel).
The word is that an OPC will swap a full set of tyres for you for around £90. Not much different to most places.
500nm is standard for road, but there was a service bulletin advising 600nm for track days (I wonder if someone lost a wheel).
The word is that an OPC will swap a full set of tyres for you for around £90. Not much different to most places.
600nm!, had a quick squint on tinternet and you can pick a decent 800nm wrench for £250 so not too bad but I'm guessing the wrench from the OPC will be a lot more.
28 October 2010, 07:28 AM
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Re the wrench - actually I don't think it is as you only need the socket from the OPC. People are talking about spending £500 on the torque wrench though!!
You can get wrenches that brace onto the wheel but NOT recommended for the GT3 wheel. A 600nm wrench is very long and won't fit in the 'boot' of the car!!
28 October 2010, 09:29 AM
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Re the wrench - actually I don't think it is as you only need the socket from the OPC. People are talking about spending £500 on the torque wrench though!!
You can get wrenches that brace onto the wheel but NOT recommended for the GT3 wheel. A 600nm wrench is very long and won't fit in the 'boot' of the car!!
28 October 2010, 11:14 AM
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Yep, very sure.
Its starting to level out now, but I got a very, very good deal.
The car had been in the OPC network for quite a while and it was right at the bottom of the dip too. I ended up getting almost 6k off the screen price (and it was cheap to start with) .
Its starting to level out now, but I got a very, very good deal.
The car had been in the OPC network for quite a while and it was right at the bottom of the dip too. I ended up getting almost 6k off the screen price (and it was cheap to start with) .
28 October 2010, 11:23 AM
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I will see if I can find a buyer - I have already had two signs of interest and I am hoping to sell it without marketing it. I have five months and can sell it at any time and steal back the nanny's car!
30 October 2010, 02:06 PM
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I can understand saying that because of it's spartan nature, may as well buy a 22b for a fraction of the price and not feel guilty for bouncing it off the limiter, but why the 'need' for 4WD?
30 October 2010, 03:17 PM
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What's spartan about the RS?
Rides better than the standard GT3 (and almost certainly a 22b), aircon, upgraded sound system, sat nav, etc?
It's got a lot more toys than most, if not all, Scoobs
Rides better than the standard GT3 (and almost certainly a 22b), aircon, upgraded sound system, sat nav, etc?
It's got a lot more toys than most, if not all, Scoobs
10 January 2011, 08:01 PM
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The auto gearbox seized up on it twice, once replaced entirely, luckily under warranty. On top of that he had the usual service costs; tyres etc, now he joined the P1 SuperCar Club for approx £13k a year instead & reckons its cheaper than owning his Porsche! But I suppose thats the problem buying brand new
10 January 2011, 08:15 PM
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I assumed 3 years of ownership and purchasing a warranty extension each year for the M5. I assumed a hefty amount for general TVR niggles and £5k for a TVR Power rebuild (essentially I'm saying you WILL need a rebuild, even though that won't be the case 100% of the time).
The TVR worked out far, far, far cheaper to run because it won't depreciate (may even gain value in next 3 years). The M5 on the other hand will lose as much as £10k and that is the key factor.
The exercise taught me something really important about cars..... you can actually buy some exotic cars (depreciation proof) and run them cheaper than run of the mill alternatives simply because depreciation is, over the life cycle, one of the biggest costs (the biggest?).
A similar buy would be a Ferrari 355.
11 January 2011, 11:09 AM
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I did a similar paper exercise with a £35k TVR Sagaris vs £35k worth of e60 M5.
I assumed 3 years of ownership and purchasing a warranty extension each year for the M5. I assumed a hefty amount for general TVR niggles and £5k for a TVR Power rebuild (essentially I'm saying you WILL need a rebuild, even though that won't be the case 100% of the time).
The TVR worked out far, far, far cheaper to run because it won't depreciate (may even gain value in next 3 years). The M5 on the other hand will lose as much as £10k and that is the key factor.
The exercise taught me something really important about cars..... you can actually buy some exotic cars (depreciation proof) and run them cheaper than run of the mill alternatives simply because depreciation is, over the life cycle, one of the biggest costs (the biggest?).
A similar buy would be a Ferrari 355.
I assumed 3 years of ownership and purchasing a warranty extension each year for the M5. I assumed a hefty amount for general TVR niggles and £5k for a TVR Power rebuild (essentially I'm saying you WILL need a rebuild, even though that won't be the case 100% of the time).
The TVR worked out far, far, far cheaper to run because it won't depreciate (may even gain value in next 3 years). The M5 on the other hand will lose as much as £10k and that is the key factor.
The exercise taught me something really important about cars..... you can actually buy some exotic cars (depreciation proof) and run them cheaper than run of the mill alternatives simply because depreciation is, over the life cycle, one of the biggest costs (the biggest?).
A similar buy would be a Ferrari 355.
You are right but there is a problem. With most exotic cars they only get to that flat part of the depreciation curve after many years. So to your example of 355 you could add say a 993 turbo. But I don't want to drive a 15 year old car no matter how good it was at the time.
Some would argue that the 355 was the last of the beautiful Ferraris, but it would now be outpaced and out handled by some hot hatches. I don't want a car with 20 year old technology (unless I was mega rich and it was part of a collection)
11 January 2011, 11:13 AM
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Agree, and for that reason I'd not have a 993 or a 355 as I prefer the 997 and F430. However, the sag is a different bag of fish as it is still a relatively modern car. In principle your point stands however.
11 January 2011, 11:22 AM
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The 355 was very pretty but honestly the build quality is so appalling, it shouldn't have been allowed.
The outlaws had one for a while - lovely noise, obviously very nippy and stunning to look at BUT the bonnet and boot flex so much you think they'll soon fall off, the interior has comedy Fiat switchgear and it took massive amounts of effort to look after it.
Oh and if it rains, the engine gets drenched. Hmm - handy in the UK...
The outlaws had one for a while - lovely noise, obviously very nippy and stunning to look at BUT the bonnet and boot flex so much you think they'll soon fall off, the interior has comedy Fiat switchgear and it took massive amounts of effort to look after it.
Oh and if it rains, the engine gets drenched. Hmm - handy in the UK...