GC8WRX

its not written to get a rise, their own book ays allah shagged 9 year olds, are you denying this or saying its ok!

alphaj12

Don't live next to a cafe then, go and live in a muslim country if it's that important to you, or just move house. As the meerkats say "simples"

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No, I just think you have to take scriptures less literally. For instance do you really believe Mary was a virgin? These scriptures record events alledgedly from centuries ago and are fashioned into fables, parables and verses that have been interpreted many times over throughout the centuries.

I am not denying what the scripture says and I know you can find plenty of pages on the net written by Jews and Christians using this at face value as yet another reason to point out how evil the Muslim faith is, but really it is just not as simple as that.

I don't expect you to come back with anything other than the usual rhetoric, but I stand by what I said.... your comments were unnecessary, at best not helpful to the debate and at worst inflammatory.

JTaylor

I would add that, in the 21st century, The Papacy does not sanction, on behalf of a 7th century warlord (who claims to be the literal and final messenger of God) the murder of anybody that chooses to leave the fold (apostacy). This isn't scaremongering, this is absolutely factual. Just to spell it out: you're born a Muslim, compelled to submit to Allah and, if you choose to permantly leave Islam (there is strict adherance to this within the Sunni tradition), you are to be executed. It makes martyrdom one hell of an attractive proposition. 95% of Great Britain's 2.4 million Muslims are Sunni.

Respect this? Live and let live, you say? I say not. Not in the land of my fathers.

tony de wonderful

Jews and Christians?

Please stop perpetuating the paranoiac lie that Islam is under siege.

...and your thinly vieled anti-seminism.

JTaylor

Actually, the book says that the historical figure, Muhammad, 'shagged' just the one nine year old. Allah couldn't have 'shagged' a nine year old because he's never existed.

Here are some sources:

Watt, "Aisha", Encyclopedia of Islam Online
Amira Sonbol, Rise of Islam: 6th to 9th century, Encyclopedia of Women and Islamic Cultures
Spellberg, Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: the Legacy of A'isha bint Abi Bakr, Columbia University Press, 1994, p. 40
Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, p. 157.^ Barlas (2002), p.125-12

Shih al-Bukhari, 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88, Sahih Muslim, 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311, 41:4915, Sunnan Abu Dawud, 41:4917
^ Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131; Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7

Mick

iTrader: (1)

Yes! Mary was a virgin. The child concieved in her was by the Holy Spirit. He was and is Jesus the Son of Almighty God. He died on the cross to take the punishment for sin (rebellion against God) that rightfully should be ours. We just need to accept this and ask the Lord to forgive us our sins and we can be made right with him though the sacrifice of his Son.

Healing, forgiveness and eternal life in heaven - isn't it fantastic?

Thanks for asking the question!

God Bless

Mick

JTaylor

Bollocks isn't it? Particularly when taken as the literal truth. Thank goodness this country and our cousins in Europe and America adhere to secularism and do not build an ideology around the supernatural.

Jamz3k

I'd be more offended if it was wafting the smell of burnt muslims into my humble abode.

JTaylor

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Just try Googling it before you spout off again. You will find plenty of pages written about it by Jews and Christians... just like I did. Blinkered baised self indulgent nonsense of course, but then that is religion for you.

Oh and don't accuse me of being anti-Semitic... you know nothing about me.

tony de wonderful

How do you know the religion/ethnicity of the supposed authors, and why did you even mention it, why is it relevent?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Doh!!!! Because the sites are Christian and Jewish religion sites... is this really this hard for you?

Why is it relevant... because it is no doubt the sort of thing GC8WRX has read that's why. All of which is obvious from my post.

The Dogs B******s

Bacon being cooked is one of the greatest smells on earth,don't like it,then go elsewhere,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,debate over.

tony de wonderful

So what if they are Christian or Jewish?

Are you trying to say this is self-evident because 'Christians' and 'Jews' naturally have some antipathy against Islam because they are nasty and bad creeds who have it in for Islam?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No, as well you know.

The point is that all religions have their fanatics and extremists and they will 'have it in' for all other religions be they Muslim, Christian, Jewish or whatever.

If someone chooses to read some piece of nonesense written by a fanatic of one religion about another and take it as fact then more fool them.

Mus

iTrader: (2)

bacon doesn't bother me and yes it smells good but alcohol taste great but doesn't mean it's good for you. its your right if you want to eat bacon it doesn't bother me at the least. I wouldn't cook it in my house and I wouldn't eat it but if I'm in a cafe and the guy in front of me is eating his" all day" then good for him.

Mohammad peace be upon him dint sleep with a 9 year old then days you couldn't take any strange girl home and say yes I will look after her. he had to obide by the law and the only way was to marry her so she had somewhere to leave while his other wife looked after her and tought her everything.

if you have grand parents ask them what age they got married they will tell you 18 ask them when there gran parents were married they will tell 15-16. if you go back 1000 years ago there were no clubs yes there were ***** houses but you couldn't chat up a bird in the street and take her home people got married when they hit puberty.

to some of you tha say Mohammad ain't a man from a god how would a man that didn't know howto read and writte know about the earth been round, bacteria, the salt and sweet water meet aNd don't mix. and that was revealed 1600 years ago. he also spoke of Jesus and Jesus also spoke of Mohammad. I can go on forever but I think you all get the point now.

Mus

iTrader: (2)

double post

JTaylor

Some may argue that the old proverb, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, comes in to play, here. The Judeo-Christian tradition (irrespective of the thesitic debate), has proved able to co-exist with liberal democratic secular principles and makes no claim to ideological primacy. The same cannot be said of Islam and it saddens me when Muslim contributors highlight this.

I get your concerns (and must stress that my issue is not with passive Muslims, it's with the hierachy within which they're locked) however, these concerns cannot and should not be used to hush up the facts around Islam and, more importantly, Islamism. Yes, we'll get ignorant misrepresentations being spat out by some but, this is small beer relative to the importance of open dialogue.

albob

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DoZZa

iTrader: (4)

If a Muslim, or anyone else moaned at me because they could smell bacon coming from my extractor, I would tell them to **** right off and get a life.

This country is in a very bad ****ing way, really very sad, ****ing ban fans, what ever next ban air as it offends creatures that live under the sea!

DoZZa

iTrader: (4)

Its quite disturbing that you have gone to the time and effort to post this, lol

JTaylor

I wonder if Turkey can make its secular Islam experiment stick. It's certainly been a rollercoaster ride. Islamic Trojan Horse or a bastion of hope?

tony de wonderful

That may well be true but you are still using an ad hom fallacy to dismiss the 'Mohammed was a pedophile' arguments.

tony de wonderful

I agree somewhat, but otoh what else of the Koran is useless in the modern age? I thought the Koran was immutable truth? You sound like a progressive.

Well for a start where does Mohammed actually explicitly describe the Earth being round and bacteria existing, and how do you know someone did not just add that to Koran years later?

I've often heard it said the Koran contains the exact speed of light. My take is that if you write a massive book and fill it with metaphor and loads of stuff, then someone reading it in the future is bound to infer some meaning from said randomness....to project meaning into it.

JTaylor

So your issue's with thick people, then. Why didn't you just say?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Wrong! One of my issues is with a lack of intelligence which all regualr contributors to NSR (except you it would seem) already know.

Leslie

I am wondering how this thread has descended into a religious argument which most people realise is a complete waste of time anyway.

How do we get there from extractor fans and the smell of cooking bacon?

Les

dabow

iTrader: (19)

becouse they no there in the wrong with the smell of bacon, and can not get out of it.

so the only way to try and exsplain, is a religious conflict
like with taking areas for there own.

now, it might be late. but wheres my bacon buttie

DCI Gene Hunt

Two anti-muslims using a story about a non-muslim using made up muslims as a reason to get rid of an extractor fan as a vehicle to become all anti-muslim, that's really amusing

Their anti-muslim rants are midly entertaining on a Sunday