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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 08:20 AM
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I personally think anyone who has a religous belief will always hate the other religions, unafortunately religions tends to spread hate and cause wars as history has shown.
That is a a grossly innacurate and mindless statement.

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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
That is a a grossly innacurate and mindless statement.

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Well, partially inaccurate and slightly mindless I would say. There's a significant number of 'right-on' Christians, Buddhists are fairly tame and proponents of Jainism certainly avoid the whole hate thing but, I think the second part of the man's statement is completely accurate.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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All followers of any religion are nuts in my book, but what you typically get is the "softer left wings" trying to holistically justify the entire religion - and by default this includes their "hard right wing" elements.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
All followers of any religion are nuts in my book, but what you typically get is the "softer left wings" trying to holistically justify the entire religion - and by default this includes their "hard right wing" elements.
That is also inaccurate.

Those who follow the true tenets of the religion will not support the actions of those trying to use the religion to their own ends. You are entitled to your opinion, but you should not let your bias affect it.

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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:41 PM
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You are that soft left..... to the extreme right, it's a fact... not an opinion, I'm not bias as I hate all religions equally.
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Well, partially inaccurate and slightly mindless I would say. There's a significant number of 'right-on' Christians, Buddhists are fairly tame and proponents of Jainism certainly avoid the whole hate thing but, I think the second part of the man's statement is completely accurate.
You are wrong, it is not the religion which causes wars and unrest, all that is done by people!

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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
You are that soft left..... to the extreme right, it's a fact... not an opinion, I'm not bias as I hate all religions equally.
I am neither left or right, I prefer to be unbiased and to have a fair opinion.

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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:44 PM
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For a so called "Christian" you're certainly argumentative.... whatever happened to "peace & love"
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I am neither left or right, I prefer to be unbiased and to have a fair opinion.

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So a fence sitter... they're the worst, sitting there not really having an opinion and yet criticising anyone else that does
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
You are wrong, it is not the religion which causes wars and unrest, all that is done by people!

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religion is just a word for beliefes, name a war that wasn't started due to beliefs?

only other motorvation is money
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
All followers of any religion are nuts in my book, but what you typically get is the "softer left wings" trying to holistically justify the entire religion - and by default this includes their "hard right wing" elements.
In the sea of brazen and hopelessly inaccurate posts that this stupid thread has become, this stands out above all others, well done, good work
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
religion is just a word for beliefes, name a war that wasn't started due to beliefs?

only other motorvation is money

Maybe we should disbelieve everything then?
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
In the sea of brazen and hopelessly inaccurate posts that this stupid thread has become, this stands out above all others, well done, good work
Oh look.... a baiting post from the resident tree hugging humanitarian.... thanks appreciate the shout out
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Maybe we should disbelieve everything then?
its how you act on it, not what you believe

like right now my belief is its time for a brew,,,,,, that i shall be acting on lol
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 05:05 PM
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Damn you DCI, you just stole my thunder
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by L.J.F
Damn you DCI, you just stole my thunder
You can have it back now - well till tomorrow
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Old Oct 26, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
You are wrong, it is not the religion which causes wars and unrest, all that is done by people!

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...following a religion that was invented by people and so on and so forth ad infinitum.
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
...following a religion that was invented by people and so on and so forth ad infinitum.
Big error, they are not following the religion!

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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
For a so called "Christian" you're certainly argumentative.... whatever happened to "peace & love"
You don't know whether I am even religious.

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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
So a fence sitter... they're the worst, sitting there not really having an opinion and yet criticising anyone else that does
Now I know you are scraping the barrel for further criticism.

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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
religion is just a word for beliefes, name a war that wasn't started due to beliefs?

only other motorvation is money
Getting into the semantics never proves anything and shows you are scratching around for an answer.

Your statement above does not prove anything about the causes of war pertaining in any way to religious beliefs. Tell us about the start of the two world wars for a start!

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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Now I know you are scraping the barrel for further criticism.

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It's like magic - you type words but equally say "nothing"
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Big error, they are not following the religion!

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You're not being coherant, Les, or carrying a point.
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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
You're not being coherant, Les, or carrying a point.


Following on from your post, I am saying that fanatic terrorists who carry out murderous actions connected with a religion are not as you said "following that religion"

You made that remark in reply to my post#197. I hope you can work that one out now! Seemed plain enough to me.

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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
It's like magic - you type words but equally say "nothing"
How strange that you seem unable to understand such a simple statement.

Please explain why you say that I don't have an opinion. Pretty crass thing to say under the circumstances.

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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Following on from your post, I am saying that fanatic terrorists who carry out murderous actions connected with a religion are not as you said "following that religion"
The confusion lies with you referencing an abstraction.

Ok, so are you saying, in line with AbbasSTI on the Islamism thread, that terrorists are not following the 'correct' teachings and therefore the founder of the religion and apologists and 'true practioners' are absolved of blame?

If you're not saying that, can you make it absolutely crystal clear what your point is, please?
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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Not a thing, nadda, now't, nothingness....

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