I have took some time out to share this link with you that may clear the confusion you & many others have about Aisha (Ra) age. http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm

Hope this helps

 

Can I ask a question regarding the paedo comments in this thread. Do you (Aladdin, f1_fan) find those comments as insulting as someone, say, calling your father a paedo? I'm just interested to know how deeply the insult cuts.

 

In all seriousness, Aladdin, I think conversations like this are essential to our mutual understanding. Painful sometimes, but essential. To clear up any confusion, would you be good enough to explain to me where I've gone wrong regarding my understanding of your prophets favourite wife. I'm sure you wouldn't want people to accuse you of denialism. For the record my source wasn't Wikipedia.

 

Its just childish stuff.

True say.

 

"As to the authenticity of these reports, it may be noted that the compilers of the books of Hadith did not apply the same stringent tests when accepting reports relating to historical matters as they did before accepting reports relating to the practical teachings and laws of Islam."

Execellent, thank you so much, Aladdin. So, according to this author, who you clearly respect, much of the Hadith's historical content is to be taken with a pinch of salt. Thanks for sharing.

 

If they made mistakes w/ historical accuracy then why not with the teachings and laws? LOL.

It's a pretty shallow analysis, talk about ignoring the 500 lbs gorilla in the corner.

 

I don't find it insulting on a personal level, just unnecessary and immature. I know it is written (like many posts on thia thread) to get a rise, but even so I think people should respect other creeds and religions a bit more. Fine to debate the whys and wherefores of the Muslim religion, but there is no need to be deliberately insulting despite the obvious glee of certain people postiong on this thread at such comments.

 

Again depends what Hadith. I have been happy to help, if you ever need further information then please dont hesitate to PM. I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

You never know one day you may accept the Shahada

 

Actually it's an important question to resolve since it casts doubt on the rest of the teachings as a) being accurate b) being literally 'true'. Islam can either ignore the question or accept that that the Koran and Hadiths may not be 100% literally true.

Finding the issue an 'insult' just shows intellectual weakness.

 

Out of interest, which sect of the one true religion do you pay your alms to?

 

Really? Do you respect Islam? I don't mean subjagated Muslims, poor souls, I mean Islam.

 

Ah yes, the Shahada, as inscribed on the flag Al-Qeada.

 

Subjugated Muslims? What are you on about?

 

reading this thread, it did take time. but lost track

i dont beleave in any religion what so ever, all is a load of rubbish.
read any, they make them out to be invincable
what ever comes to mind

the fact is true. asians/muslims ect, are trying to run certain areas.
and for the fact of going on abouta bacon buttie, it starts the day
what can i say

heres one, go to say leister/birmingham do you know what really gets up my nose in the early mornings. the bloody smell of curries, its every where.
bacon, its a breakfast, curries, evening meal maybe or a good night out, but you get this
in the mornings. if i was to say it smells, id be called rasist would i not?

so why the hell can this bacon smell be an issue.
rant over, for know...

man should make the most of his life, as the govement is owe real life
not any so called bibbles

 

You know, absolute submission to Allah in both this life and the next. A constant father monitoring every thought and action for eternity. I should imagine it's akin to living in Airstrip One but without the breathing space. The real clincher is that apostasy will be met with death (methods of which are dependant upon which particular flavour of invigilator providence has granted upon you) and an eternity of torment. Yep, I would say The Great Celestial Dictator has closed all the doors.

Anyway, I've answered your question, would you be a gent and reciprocate?

 

That post was an absolute tour-de-force. I applaud you.

 

 

had to be said, i get sick of seeing these so called honer killings in the name of a bibble, thats in a fect, paper. man made crap

yep we see this about a bacon buttie
i recon, take there beleath away
they'd spit there dummys out and cry

dont get me wrong, im not rasist in anyway
just sick of seeing things like this

they even use there own religion to scam
muppets, then wonder why the uk try to ban things

 

And, I thought I were the fekking resident poet.

 

sorry mate.

 

Spot on.

Les

 

And how is that in any way different to Catholicism for example? You obviously have a particular bone to pick with the Muslim religion, but why when many other religions use the same dogma and culture of fear to snare their faithful?

As to whether I respect Islam or not I would say that while I personally place no credence in its teachings or beliefs I am happy to let anyone choose to believe in what they want in as long as they are happy to leave me to my own beliefs so I respect it in that way. I certainly don't feel the need to treat it as some evil empire intent on world domination or to be suspicious of every Muslim I meet.

I see little point in pulling apart a religion or set of beliefs just because a small minority of people use it to further their own ends and twist its creed to their own ideals. The irony for me is the way opponents of Islam do their best to instill a culture of fear into people (the media being one of the worst for this) and then use the very same argument as an example of what is wrong with it.

 

No point in trying to ban a religion, that just strengthens peoples' beliefs anyway.

The answer is to sort out those who use it for their own ambitions in a way that was never intended in the first place. They are the dangerous ones!

Les

 

Thank you for that.

I'd agree that Catholicism circa 14th c. and contemporary Islam are comparable. The Reformation helped, then the West benefitted from The Renaissance and then of course, The Enlightenment (Age of Reason). Islam has, to date, avoided all of these transformative processes and therefore does not recognise the seperation of mosque and state. One of course hopes that Islam's timeline, with Muhammed's late arrival, will follow similar patterns to that of the Catholic Church.

I'm of the view that your position, whilst honourable and in the spirit of Liberal Democratic values, is naive. I'd recommend revising the tale of the Trojan horse.

 

Agreed; moderation is the key.

Mohammed said, "There are only two houses in the world, the house of Islam and the house of war." That's the source, Les.

 

since the time of christ and mohammad peace be upon them the world has evolved for the better in terms of technology but for the worst in terms of alcoholics, gambeling,rapist, pedo, drug addicts, murderers, prostitution u name it. problems like that wasn't as major as they are now and the way to solve it is belief in god weather you are Muslim, christian, Jewish ect.

since the churches don't have a say anymore I walk on the high street and all I walk past is bookies, off licenses cheap chicken shops. and let's be honest none of them will make you a better person. it's all about money now I believe material things in small doses aren't bad but how Many gambelers lost there famalies or alcoholics died dut kidney failure.

alcohol and tobacco are some of the biggest killers in the world but the government don't care cause of the moneys they make of them.

sorry a little of topic I had to quickly browse through the thread

 

yep, a little off topic, but so true

this is how i see it. if you beleave in your self you get by
your only life should be famerly (oh and the scoob )

but some blame there religion if they do anything drastic
and theres plenty of cases of this.

we should all live as one, but dont to a beleaf
which clash to every other beleaf.
i look after my own, after all no one else will

 

maybe if you're Jewish I could understand. lol





i hate the smell of mince beef frying, but love a good spag bol or chilli

 

I suspect Muslims don't give a toss most of the time, as long as they are left to make a living unhindered I bet they dont care, this is rebel rousing for the Van driving, Sun reading, shaven headed knuckle draggers, the Sun will probably offer give a toss a free Bacon Butty voucher and a save our Bacon Butties campaign, perhaps a picture of some cheeky Solidiers happily eating Bacon Butties. The Daily Mail readers are similar. Dont get me wrong I think we are, as a nation having the p1ss taken by certain quarters but this doesn't help, I love the smell of Bacon as much as the next man but dont want to smell it all day.

 

Catholicism has by large accepted the lessons of the Enlightenment, you won't find any Catholic priests etc calling for theocratic rule of the UK, otoh you have a Muslim on here saying most Muslims believe in Islamic rule.

Fear is created by events like 7/7 not the media.