Tidgy

hope the person that got 309 played the lottery that day,,, lol

mickywrx

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What fuel is that using Martyn?

As Tidgy mentioned all cars, seemingly more so with Impreza's, are different.

How mine makes the power it does at 1bar of boost, meh I don't know. What I do know is that the power must be there to do the times it's ran.

Iain, you've got a quick car, don't get hung up about roller numbers.

Terminator X

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He's at the top end of the bell curve IMHO ... there will be very few that can pull 360hp from that turbo.

http://www.chatterbocks.com/blog/wp-...bell_curve.gif

TX.

MartynJ

Was on Shell Optimax at the time, it was in 2006 after all.

Rob Day

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unsubscribed

Myles

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Peace out. (not that it makes any difference to anyone) but im unsubscribing to this thread, its all getting a bit tired now. Iain, I implore you to do the same.

Tidgy

basicly the reported result was too high to be believable, its been ascertained that the initial result must have been corupted by something to give such a high figure, what it was? who knows.

car has produced good results, just not as high as first reported

midnight

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Jesus ,i think my last reply on this thread was back on the 13th october 2010: and i can not believe it is still going on . I cant be bothered to read all the pages since then ,but as i stated on quite a few 'turbo' threads ,there will always be exceptions to the norm and Iain's set up obviously is: cool: whether his car is producing 382 bhp or 370 it is an 'exception',so lets just accept it for that . If he had made these claims then his car produced 340bhp you can say he is talking crap - but for a new member to come on here and back his words up with action . Fair play

mickywrx

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Didn't notice the date on the graph.

Been there, had all the crap, just not on a forum.

Just as my 330bhp @ 1bar of boost is a load of bull...

Maybe I should start a thread.

Jolly Green Monster

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330@1bar is what most vf34 / vf35's make give or take a bit as if you look at the boost profiles most are only running 1bar to 1.1bar at peak power.. but you miss out on a shed load of torque by not running more boost through the midrange.

Simon

alcazar

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Of course they are. But some post FACTS, not opinions, facts backed up by HOURS of research, which is not to be taken lightly.

The fruits of said research are passed on to us leser mortals in safer engine mods, better mods, cheaper mods.

Which do you prefer? facts, or opinions?

Rob Day

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unsubscribed

Alan Jeffery

Hey Tidgy, I'd like to thank you for making Martyn's day! Had a proper spring in his step he did...

Big 'D'

Well I am going to leave this thread now, I just want you all to know I have no bad feeling towards any of you and that includes Harvey.

I guess I will just have to accept that the past 2 years or so that I have been toying with the setup of my car has been pure luck and go on about my buisness being lucky at making Imprezas faster by not having a clue about what I am doing. Perhaps with all this luck I am having I should play the lottery

Yes the car is fast but I can assure you that it took a little more than pure luck getting it to where it is today.



Cheers Iain

Big 'D'

Just one more thing before I leave, sometimes the lesser mortals have something of value to pass to the big dogs, there are some very clever strangers out there who may have something of value to say and may be ignored because they dont have a big name, hours of research etc to back it up, I guess that I am not one of them though.

I prefer to give everyone a chance.

Dont worry I will be back with another outrageous thread in the near future lol

Cheers Iain

daijones

I agree with you entirely, but aren't the "more" and "less" labels on the graph the wrong way round? +1 S.D. is above the average, so unless the measuring scale is inverted, such that higher scores indicate less of a quality, then the right hand of the curve represents more than the average, and the left of the curve represents less than the average. In this case, 360bhp from a VF35 is certainly more than most others, to the far right of the curve

Sorry, just being a stats nerd

alcazar

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Iain: again, you miss the point. Of course anyone can have something of value to pass on, I myself have done it, and I don't consider myself in ANY WAY an expert on these cars.

But as I said to you in another thread, there is a world of difference in passing on knowledge you have gained by experience, then tested and researched to see why it works etc etc, and passing on opinions like, "well it works on mine so it must be OK", or worse still, (and I know you haven't done this but trust me I've seen it on here), "Go for it, what harm can it do? It worked OK on my RS Turbo".

Regards, Jeff.

harvey

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I made what I thought was a fairly innocuous post at #851 to answer a question from Tidgy and this is the only post I had made relevant to this thread since 17th October. Wow. Just like lighting the touch paper and Big D wants to make me out to be a pariah with all sorts of claims that just do not stand scrutiny.
Let us just remember that it was Big D that came on here with claims of 382 bhp plus from a VF35 turbo and when it was gently pointed out to him that was very unlikely and the reasons why he steam rollered ahead anyway.
Big D:
I think we must be reading different threads. From the beginning I have tried to explain to you (dispasionately) and others, often in response to their questions, the issues not understood by them. I carefully separated out your posts from those of idiots who had nothing to contribute to the thread and were only here for some sport. Generally, I have ignored them but Lewak really did ask to be put down poor chap. All the way through, certainly as far as page 12, I tried to remain dispasionate and non personal, repeatedly pointed out that you had a very significant achievement, just that it was not 382 bhp at 1.4 bar on road fuel.
I avoided making this personal despite your attitude and remarks.
If you do not believe me please go back and specificly read what I was saying to you. As early as post 155 or 156 we had attitude from you which I was happy to ignore. I reinforced your results were not shabby on almost all my posts but you had already demonstrated a lack of understanding for some issues and an intransigence. Throughout I was telling you that your result was at the top of the tree and I avoided the personal sarcasm and attitude you displayed.
It was pointed out at post #263 by Mark Aigan that your claimed 382 bhp was actually at 1.3 bar.
You dug your heels in and turned this thread into something that was not necessary, much to the delight of some empty barrels. (not a reference to you). You will have to separate out what I said to the odd numty and what was said to you. Despite some pretty stupid posts on your part and your attitude I continued to ignore that and tried to give factual input. Throughout, my position has simply been :
You have a knack for some very silly posts and personal jibes :

Nothing to do with conforming Ian, just be realistic and take note of why your claimed 382.? bhp is questionable.

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This is at post 338 and I was still trying to give solid factual information and ignoring your highly personal attack. Please read the whole post. I have not ripped into you and you are being very personal, totally unnecessarily.

Please do not come on a public forum with claims that are obviously questionable and then get indignant when discrepancies are pointed out.

Others have commented on your cocky attitude, intransigence and entrenched position. Nothing to do with me.

It is not my problem if you cannot read the written word and understand and I do wonder if you have actually understood some of the things written. You have been cheeky and cocky, made this personal with the likes of the above which is just a small sample that I deliberately ignored up to that point.
You accuse me of twisting things but I am only going on what you say and at no point can you say what I have said is inaccurate.
On 13 October around post 490 I withdrew from the thread due to pressure of work. You clearly do not need my help to continue to be very silly. Fast forward to post #663 and then further down the same page in response to dabow :

Disgraceful. No smiley so I guess that was the true you.

and what about this :
You appear to have very selective reading ability and you really are a drama queen stringing this out as you have done.

Please do have a look back at every page.
Clearly you have been reading another thread if you claim not to have made this personal when I had tried to avoid that, certainly for a long time after you started the personal bits?

Sorry Ian but in the main, until now, I had avoided your personal jibes and had left the thread. You are still banging on 200 plus posts and four days later. I gave you a synopsis at post 710. Was anything there untrue? Was anything miss quoted? I am accused of quoting out of context? All I have done is quoted what you have said.
From post # 710 Page 24 on17 October I had nothing else to say relevant to this thread but I did post again five pages on at #851 in response to a genuine question from Tidgy 3 November. Relatively innocuous I thought.
WOW. What a reaction. Touch paper lit. Stand back.
Now I am being personal. You have done a good job of destroying your own credibility and demonstarting a number of flaws as exampled above. No matter. We are all in a continual process of learning. That you have shown you can be a plonker is unfortunate because cleary you have achieved good results regardless.
Get real mate and reread some of the crap you have been coming out with.
What is one sided about it? I didn't start bleating when a little posse egged the situation on. If they had as much knowledge as the sarcasm and ignorance they displayed Scoobynet would be a better place.
Now here is your last post above:
Throughout this thread not one person has doubted you have had an exceptional result so why did you not take heed of the advice that was given to you by several people and learn from people that have been there and done that and know the pitfalls of relying on rolling road figures.
You do have a good achievement and it is not just down to your turbo but the overall spec and hopefully you will go on to achieve more.


I think your post above is rather revealing and rather disturbing.
You are arrogant enough to have to make the statements above which I guess presumes in your own mind that you are a lesser mortal and you regard me and others as a big dog. I think you have totally mis read the situation. Many of us are open to learn more and indeed I think it is a continual process and it matters not to me where I add to my knowledge but your attitude that you would prefer to give everyone a chance is really at the root of what has gone on here. You have been given every chance but you have been intransigent and while we are prepared to learn from others it would now appear that you are not prepared to learn in reverse and feel hard done by and the last thing you should be doing is producing outrageous threads if they will further destroy your credibility.
I sincerely wish you well in your tuning endeavours with Subarus and hope that when you reflect on this thread you will have learned a lot.

B0DSKI

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Well said Harvey

Lewak

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Throughout this thread not one person has doubted you have had an exceptional result so why did you not take heed of the advice that was given to you by several people and learn from people that have been there and done that and know the pitfalls of relying on rolling road figures.
You do have a good achievement and it is not just down to your turbo but the overall spec and hopefully you will go on to achieve more.




I think your post above is rather revealing and rather disturbing.
You are arrogant enough to have to make the statements above which I guess presumes in your own mind that you are a lesser mortal and you regard me and others as a big dog. I think you have totally mis read the situation. Many of us are open to learn more and indeed I think it is a continual process and it matters not to me where I add to my knowledge but your attitude that you would prefer to give everyone a chance is really at the root of what has gone on here. You have been given every chance but you have been intransigent and while we are prepared to learn from others it would now appear that you are not prepared to learn in reverse and feel hard done by and the last thing you should be doing is producing outrageous threads if they will further destroy your credibility.
I sincerely wish you well in your tuning endeavours with Subarus and hope that when you reflect on this thread you will have learned a lot.[/QUOTE]

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oh and Harvy your a ***

banny sti

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ffs its 360/370bhp car, its not like we are pushing any boundaries here!

alcazar

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Nice reply from Lewak, really shows him for what he is.

Grow up guy.

TonyBurns

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Totally agree with you there!

Tony

dynamix

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+ 1

As said all along - it is undoubtedly quick but 383 is a little optimistic. but then dynos are funny things, some show good figures, some dont but which are right - who knows?

At the end of the day it is down to the way ti feels/drives and a bit of paper isnt going to change that.

As for the bickering, name calling and point scoring - totally unnecessary IMHO.

B0DSKI

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I find it amazing that anybody would doubt the knowledge Harvey has built up over the years and find it neccessary to resort to personal attacks on both him and his reputation

chtpcpo

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I refer you all back to someone who does this for a living, who i have met, who i trust, who has actually tuned Iain's car, and who manages not to sound like a condescending prat when giving advice/verdict. I am done with this thread and with many of you who seem to think that because someone has experience in these matters, they can behave how they like. Reply as much as you like fellas, i have unsubscribed and really couldn't care less.

What has become clear in this essay is how narrow minded some of you are, and how quick you are to flame someone's claims. At the end of the day who gives a f cuk if the figures are 100% accurate? As has been said by many, dynos are all different and give wildly different figures on any given Sunday. And please no more 200 line posts in response, i am done reading your waffle, and you too have missed the point entirely: no-one questions your expertise, it was more the manner in which it was delivered. I said much of this the other day then deleted it so that Iain could get his figures sorted, but i am just plain bored of reading the professional "advice" in this thread. And let us not forget that most of you have, like me, got a very basic working knowledge of turbos, IT, AT and the other matters discussed here.

chtpcpo

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That doesn't help anyone

Tidgy

dont forget all experts need to ask what an afr/boost graph is at the start of a thread

post 32,,,,

f4la k

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But always remember this, Harvey isnt someone who, like most has a basic working knowledge of turbos I-T and A-T. He is a guy who has spent thousands of pounds testing these things. Considering he sells his own modified td05-20g (400+hp turbo) as well as the testing of the I-T when doing a lot of testing on the hybrid front mounts that he sells. He is one of the most genuine guys ive ever purchased stuff off, and allways willing to go the extra mile to help you. He'd have more knowledge on this thread than 99% of it posters..

P.s Hows it goin Harvey... Ayrshire John here, be in touch for some bits and bobs after chrimbo.

Rammi shaa

fellas does the intake sensor temp make alot of diffrence as a mate of mine got a rolling session from s4u and made 348bhp and few weeks later went to surry rolling road and the fella said u will be luck to be running 315bhp the the tem that high?????