No one going to watch BBC2 Horizon tonight then, especially Les, you keep asking what happened before the Big Bang...?

 

Yep, good program. Every part of my being expects future observations to demonstrate proof of an evolutionary, cyclic pregenesis. To me, it's simply intuitive; it feels right. I hope somebody then moves God outside of the cycle as an infinite pre-pregenesis, if only to give us something to discuss in NSR 2030.

 

missed it unfortunately
But I do believe in the principle of something from nothing which I think is the main question
The answer is in a positive and a negative can make nothing. So it doesn't matter how big the negative and positive are if brought together they cancel each other out.whether this is the balance between matter and antimatter or this dimension and another one I don't know

 

In hindsight, perhaps 2030's a tad optimistic.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode..._the_Big_Bang/

 

Sky player series linked it so hopefully theres another similar one next week!

 

I have recorded it and look forward to seeing it.

Les

 

I humbly request, Les, that you make no reference to the phrase, 'it's's just a theory', during your critique. It makes me want to physically harm you and that's simply not on; bad for the karma you see. Thank you.

 

Just watched (a recording) and it appears that the entire universe was created from some wooden block puzzle cube - or so the ("you make it what it is", and "due to the unique way that it is is funded") dumbed-down BBC suggest.

Why can't science programmes be made by scientists and not arty-farty meeja types??

mb

 

I watched it on iPlayer last night, it was all very interesting, but surely they just moved the question of what was before further back?

Geezer

 

It's turtles, all the way down.

 

What would you call a statement which cannot be proved then? - Ducking in anticipation!

Les

 

No, I would call it an opinion e.g. 'apples taste better than oranges'. Will you be a gent and elucidate on the context of your question and that which you are referencing. The program's contributors posited a blend of ideas, hypotheses and theorems but, no opinions.

 

Was not able to see the entire programme but hopefully can do so this pm. Best I see it first before replying.

Les

 

Very sensible, Leslie.

 

I did see it JT. It was interesting to see the different "ideas"

It has not come up with any positive answers however but that is not surprising of course.

I could not help feeling that those concerned suddeniy thought of another explanation as if they had dragged it out of thin air and then souped it up a bit. They thought of new names such as replacing the expansion with another term as though that is significantly different. They talk of gravity waves, What is that? Where do they come from?

The woman said that she observed three separate occasions of the significant happening which she says all fit together perfectly, but she did not explain what she actually saw and how it fitted.

I found it interesting to hear what they had to say, but nowhere did they say how how the Universe or its initial start at least came into being. We are back to the original question, where did the singularity, or the initial universe which contracted and then set off expanding into a new universe, come from in the first place. Do you think it could come from nothing all of its own accord? What are gravity waves and how are they formed? We have always been told that gravity is a force which is created between bodies and its strength depends on the mass of those bodies.

I would not be so forward as to say that they are each wrong, but by the same token there seems to be nothing to significantly say the opposite. I have to say that at times I suspected that we were being blinded by little bits of the mathematics coupled with a dose of semantics.

I will watch the programme through again since I may have missed something at times which is important to what they were saying. Its the sort of thing that needs a bit of study.

I wont mention their use of the word "theory" so many times!

I would be interested on your take of what was presented in the programme.

You have to realise that I am in no way biased against the scientists, I was always interested in that side of things. Like so many I am interested in the truth.

Les

 

You have to realise that I am in no way biased against the scientists, I was always interested in that side of things. Like so many I am interested in the truth

the truth, you cant handle the truth

 

sheer bollocks keep alot of professors in well paid jobs. Thats my theory and I'm sticking to it.

 

Had to turn it off half way through as it was a load of pish! All those theories I could have come up with after a few beers. Just the same as the CO2 bullsh*t, money talks and I suppose when your livelihood relies on it you'll say anything. Ridiculous.

 

If you are going to make remarks like that, you should at least be able to explain what you mean by them and in what context!

Les

 

Here's that moment.

 

I've never seen a scientific achievement met with such self-applause.

Having said that physics has spent decades now being eclipsed by molecular biology and genetic engineering so no wonder they are blowing their own trumpet so hard.

 

Is it just me, or is physics a total snooze fest? I'd rather suck a fat man's hairy ball bag than sit through a lecture about it.

 

You can bend yourself in half, then?

 

Haha, not bad. You're on the ball tonight.

 

None of this makes sense still.

The way people talk about the big bang does my head in. It's always.. "the big bang happened and, blah, blah blah"

But, what's the space in which this big bang happened in. It just doesn't bare thinking about really.

 

Isn't that where you are?

 

No, the space IS the Big Bang. It didn't expand into anything, because everything which existed was part of the BB. There was nothing outside it.

 

Bollocks... What caused the big bang then? It came from something

I think we need to try to understand that the space outside of the big bang has always been here. It's not even worth trying to understand or think about, but it has just always been here, forever.

 

Space(time) is what came into being when the singularity expanded, according to the theory.

You have a failure of imagination, as do most of us, in that we can't visualise an explosion occuring except within a pre-existing space. The creation of space and matter in an instant was what the big bang was about.