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It is an interesting conclsuion, and a suprising one given how little science can actually answer right now
I would of thought open mindedness would be a much better approach from a scientist of such stature
I would of thought open mindedness would be a much better approach from a scientist of such stature
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..and closed mindedness is the goal of the mythologists and fanboys of belief systems
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I saw the scientific light several years ago and every year since I've believed less and less of this fairy tale of creation over evolution.
We can actually see the beginnings of the universe through science - we've yet to see an actual 'God'.
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I want to say I look forward to his new book, but his last one was a bit of a ****** to read wasn't it!
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Well tbh - Science has pretty much explained abso-****in-lutely everything since one ten billionth of a second AFTER the big bang. I'd be very interested in information in the same detail for 1 second BEFORE the big bang.
Science has NOT actually expained how ugly fekkirs like Mick Hucknall get to nail fit boirds though - are they ALL Prozzers?
Science has NOT actually expained how ugly fekkirs like Mick Hucknall get to nail fit boirds though - are they ALL Prozzers?
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Citing the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting a star other than our Sun, he said: "That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions - the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass - far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings."
He adds: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
The book was co-written by US physicist Leonard Mlodinow and is published on 9 September.
In his 1988 bestseller, A Brief History of Time, Prof Hawking appeared to accept the role of God in the creation of the Universe.
"If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we should know the mind of God," he said.
He adds: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
"Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
The book was co-written by US physicist Leonard Mlodinow and is published on 9 September.
In his 1988 bestseller, A Brief History of Time, Prof Hawking appeared to accept the role of God in the creation of the Universe.
"If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we should know the mind of God," he said.
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So - Is SH saying that the matter was always there? it just was massivley dispersed and over 10's of billions of years pulled together until it hit a critical mass and when Boom?
And so it will continue to expand until it hits a "limit" then will contract in on itself again?
I hope so - that's the ticket to eternal life that is - right there!
You can't destroy energy - you can only convert it to different forms
And so it will continue to expand until it hits a "limit" then will contract in on itself again?
I hope so - that's the ticket to eternal life that is - right there!
You can't destroy energy - you can only convert it to different forms
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So - Is SH saying that the matter was always there? it just was massivley dispersed and over 10's of billions of years pulled together until it hit a critical mass and when Boom?
And so it will continue to expand until it hits a "limit" then will contract in on itself again?
I hope so - that's the ticket to eternal life that is - right there!
You can't destroy energy - you can only convert it to different forms
And so it will continue to expand until it hits a "limit" then will contract in on itself again?
I hope so - that's the ticket to eternal life that is - right there!
You can't destroy energy - you can only convert it to different forms
I.e. there was no "before" BB, as time is a property of the universe you live in, which was itself created in BB.
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Funnily enough I was a happy clapper, born and bred unto a very strict Methodist idealism with ancestry linked back to Wesley himself and beyond.
I saw the scientific light several years ago and every year since I've believed less and less of this fairy tale of creation over evolution.
We can actually see the beginnings of the universe through science - we've yet to see an actual 'God'.
I saw the scientific light several years ago and every year since I've believed less and less of this fairy tale of creation over evolution.
We can actually see the beginnings of the universe through science - we've yet to see an actual 'God'.
but I see no reason why the concept of a god - and I would take that to be a force that exists in many dimensions - is incompatible with science and, for example, the theory of evolution.It also seems reasonable to me that mankind's thinking has become more sophisticated. The 7 day creation "belief" was an understandable story for its time.
I would say the Methodists may just be stuck in a time warp which shouldn't diminish your thinking about the possibility of the presence of a god. Even Mr Hawkings' turbo brain is still only operative in 3 dimensions and he can have no real appreciation of existence where, for example, time is meaningless, if that makes sense
You can't prove or disprove the existence of a god but I don't feel that your change of view gives you the right to insult people who do believe as your original post "You've certainly got the Happy Clappers choking on their communion wine"
Perhaps He invented Rottweilers
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David, I think its because the church has forced the fact that "there is a god" down our throats for hundreds, even (nearly)thousands of years, its nice to see that someone has put a ***** in that armour of theirs, they are now saying that you cannot disprove that there is a god, just as you cannot prove there is a god, you just have to rely on "faith", which sort of defeats the object 
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Didn't take long for the happy clappers to play the "You're insulting us" card.
Still - at least they aint threatening to behead the infidels - The Christians have at least moved away from killing non-believers
Still - at least they aint threatening to behead the infidels - The Christians have at least moved away from killing non-believers
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