fordrsrickc

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Hi Andy i have just sent you a pm

KJD Mk1

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I've done around 400 miles since fitting the yellows and they have bedded in well.
I did have a small fitment issue with my AP6pot 355mm set up as the pad ever so slightly fouled the bell so I shaved a little of the pad to get them fitted. I photographed my findings and sent the info to Andy for comment as I was unsure why this had happened . The fouling appears to be down to the size of the bell which does not occur with the 330mm set up as the bell is a smaller diameter.
EBC have adressed the problem and I now believe a new pad has been designed and added to the range that includes the AP 6 pot 355mm set up. I think I'm correct in saying that the new pad will be available within the next 7 - 10 days.
I cannot fault EBC, they took this on board acted quickly and resolved the problem, great customer service.

The Pads.
As said I've done around 400 miles and they bedded in quickly, safely and are every bit as good as I hoped. While I'm not as a heavy user as some they feel grippy pull up true, even and without fuss; the pedal is firm and overall the set up inspires confidence.
An added bonus is the lack of dust, my wheels are staying cleaner for longer
I was never happy with my last set of DS2500 's they just never felt 100%, wooden almost although they have been good in the past, perhaps a duff set??
Its going to take some time to report back on long term findings as I'm not a huge mile muncher but I feel the yellows are a superb pad for more normal use with some fast road thrown in, all in all perhaps a pad for us people that dont venture onto the track but still demand high performance braking.

ozzreid1964

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received pads today cheers andycar is having a few bits and bobs fitted next weekend so will have the pads fitted then will keep in touch

simb 2

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Received my pads now which have been very kindly modified to fit the kit i'm running (Powerstation Porsche kit), will be in and out of the Country next couple weeks so really looking forward to getting them on.

Andy and the Customer assistance he has shown in getting this sorted has been fantastic so its a big here!!

Si

MaDaSS

Update from me
Was at RCM today and had the Redstuff fitted with new EBC USR discs (F and R) on my 03 WRX. Am still on the bed in coating though so will report more later once i get past that and start to bed them in! Although i must say, the bed in coating stops me well! LOL.
I cant wait till i get some ring road mileage on them and so used a lot, then bed them in "properly" and report back then. Thanks Andy and RCM (as always!)

thoughto

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I came home from a trip last Saturday to find my box waiting. Put the pads on myself this week. I have 4 pots on the front and 1 pots on the rear. Discs are what was on the car when it came from Japan, nothing special. I have braided lines (from Japan) and a master cylinder blocker (just upgraded to the Tegiwa one, which I really like).
When I test drove the car I (and the seller) got a bit scared at times due to the brakes being barely sufficient to stop the car. I test drove at least 3 others, and they weren't any better. So early on I changed the pads to PBR (Axxis) Ultimate at the front and Metal Master (less aggressive) at rear (couldn't get that size in Ultimates). I'd used these pads in Canada on a bugeye and liked them. On the V4 they were an improvement, coupled with the Ebay master cylinder stopper, but still not great. The Ultimates also make a huge amount of dust.
I haven't been on the track, but I'd like to go in the future. I'm pretty sure the Ultimates wouldn't have been much good for that, and with the combo I had the Metal Masters seemed to be doing nothing on the back.
When changing pads I sanded off the pins and clips which were a bit corroded and / or very dirty. Then the fronts slid in and out much more smoothly. The new pads fitted in very easily. I did not add any of the previous shims, trusting the ones attached to the pads to do the job. I did not add any grease to the outside of the shim either.
The rear discs turned out to have a nasty shoulder of rust on the inside of the disc close to the centre. This had worn down the previous pads a bit, so that they were not even. I decided to sand off this corrosion, leaving the discs much closer to a uniform shape. I don't suppose this is recommended, but I tried hard not to sand the braking surface any more than necessary to remove the ridge of rust. After this and cleaning the rear clips the pads went in fine (again no extra shims or grease were used).
I did some stop and go traffic for a bit, and then a series of six 60-30 stops before a cool down drive. Today I did six 60-20 stops, did a long cool down on the motorway, then another six 60-20 stops, then another cool down, and some more stop and go traffic.
I am very impressed with the friction. A 60-20 slow down is really easy, dead straight, no drama (I have avoided instigating ABS as yet, so I think my new Falken tyres are working well too). After a few you begin to smell burning if you have the window open, although it is not so pronounced as to start with. I doubt I have properly bedded these in yet, but wanted to write up something today.
Driving in town has been trivially easy. I rather like having super-powerful brake pads, as it means I can modulate the pedal as much as I like. I can be more gentle with the pedal. There is nothing more difficult about driving the car smoothly than before. There are no new noises or vibrations or anything like that. I sometimes get out to touch the discs (or get my hand close to them if they're really hot) and all 4 discs seem to be heating up very similarly. The rear discs are no longer much cooler than the front as they were before. I have nothing bad to say, the Blue Stuff is really good so far, and I bet it will get better.

scrooge79

Hello Andy, i bought in august a full set of green stuff pads (DP21211 and DP21289) for my BMW Z4 2.5i (E85).
I would like to know if i'm running the last EBC tech. or someone sold me a very old green stuff pads, because:
1 - I saw that back pads have not the black sticker to reduce the rattle nois (but, honestly i can't hear anything from) like front pads.
2 - When they're cold and it's raining, my car brake more worse than OEM pads!!! Is it possible that i did choose a wrong set (green instead of yellow)?
Thank you very much

Andy Freeman

You would have to give me the code numbers off the back of the pads or the box they came in for me to know and answer you.

Green is "OK" on this car but I would have used Reds for sure. You car is just on the border where we would recommend Reds by engine size.

If youre not happy I will arrange for an upgrade, do this to me please at my e mail on andy@ebcbrakes.com

Thanks

Dino1

Hi Andy,

Apologies for not posting up my results.

I have fitted my set of Blue-stuff to a Hispec Monster 4 setup on my Honda prelude.

I have to say, the ease of fitment was great.

To date I have mainly done alot of B-road driving, town driving and some fast road driving.

Pedal feel is great, with no hint of squealing. Very happy with the initial bite and the braking performance from cold and when warm.

I was originally planning to use these on track also at the beginning of september but situations change.

As a road, fast road pad, i am very happy with these indeed.

I have high hope for these on track.

Once trialed on track, I'll provide a comparsison feedback.

Andy, thanks for a speedy and friendly service.

Thumbs up for Blues so far!!

Razorwrx1

iTrader: (21)

Hi Andy. Sorry it's taking ages. Needed new Discs as I suspected. Booked in anyway for next Saturday. Got Godspeed discs to go with your Bluestuffs!

Will let you know when there on and post up some pics!

dghktrjood

Andy PM'd me today and said I should get mine in Severn Days. Looking forward to trying them out.

I will post up when there on Andy, with photos. Just have to get the Car booked in once they arrive to have them fitted. Don't trust myself! Ha.

Thanks again Andy!
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nike ninja

prodriverules

iTrader: (52)

Nice one Andy on the pads mate ive now done about 250 miles and all is very good mate,only on a running in map on my engine at present but still very impressed as i had a close call about 100 miles into running in and needed to do an emergency stop and was very impressed with the response from the brakes so again thanks and good product mate.
More to follow once full fat map done and abit more spirited braking will be called for and the true test of the pads will be done.

scrooge79

Hello Andy, i've sent you the email.
Thanx for your interest!!

Andy Freeman

Please e mail me again mate, cant PM you ????

scrooge79

i sent a PM to you!
Thank you very much!

simb 2

iTrader: (3)

Huge huge thanks to Andy

Fitted my Blue's on the weekend after Andy took them back to have 15mm cut out of the inside of the pads to fit the Powerstation Porsche kit





Took the car out for a run on the weekend directly after fitting and 1st impressions are excellent, when more variety of driving and roads are tackled will report back with more feedback as need to get the new Rotors bed in aswell.

Andy thanks again mate!

Si

jh1

thanks Andy, recieved my blue stuff pads. new discs should be arriving soon so will get them fitted asap so i can get some feedback. judging from others they should perform well.

Razorwrx1

iTrader: (21)

Hi Andy. Had my Godspeed Grooved Discs and your Bluestuff pads fitted Saturday.

Now Ive only done 60 miles with these fitted and it's only a weekend car so it's gonna take them a while to bed in. But first Impressions are Excellent, even from being cold. There's a bite straight away! Haven't braked hard yet, don't Want to knacker them up already. The Pedal feels like it's there! Here's afew shots I took having them fitted. I will put your stickers on and send them to you but am having loads of parts sprayed up at the moment! Thanks again. I will keep you updated... And what ever you guys have done to these new pads, keep it up! Cheers

rutt

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hi andy
have sent you a pm

MaDaSS

I'm still doing my long term bed in! LOL. Done over 850 miles now on the Redstuff with new EBC discs. A few more miles and I will go through the 60 to 10 bed in routine again and then go for a blast. I have a couple of reservations so far with them, the cold bite is not very good if I need to brake harshly within the first few stops. I had a scary moment where some **** pulled out on me when my brakes were cold and it could have stopped better. lol. My second thought will be proved right or wrong when I go for my next proper blast. I am still wondering if they will have enough bite after repetative hard stops when doing my country lane run. Time will tell! Will post more after I put them through a proper braking torture test, LOL.

johnfelstead

I've had the Blue pads in for about 1000 miles now and they are working really well. My car (MY05 JDM STi) has always had great brakes since i removed the OEM pads and disks and installed some aftermarket pads and quality, but still single piece disks, so to improve on these without spending a fortune on AP Racing calipers and disks etc. was a big ask.

Now i've had time to bed them and do some miles, i'd say that on first application or in normal town traffic they are slightly less efficient than my old fast road pads, but at least match the OEM pads, they are perfectly acceptable performance in that environment.

Second application or under more load they work much better though, with some heat in them the stopping power is fantastic and they are very easy to modulate. Dust levels are OK for me, they produce less dust than the previous fast road pads i was using.

I was running these pads in my car in the soaking rain at Scooby Shootout last weekend, so you should be able to see from the result there (First in Standard Class by over 3 seconds and Second Overall, missing the outright win by just 0.3 seconds on the Handling circuit) that these pads work really well when cold and give a good enough feel in low grip environments to be a good choice for most people.

A picture is better than words quite often, so here is the car braking very hard in the pouring rain, you can see from this how much stopping power the car has if you look at how compressed the front is compared to the rear which is almost off the ground.


Photo courtesy of AndyC

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

Nice writeup and great result John

What pads were you using previously?

Andy Freeman

The Reds should be almost bedded now but of course if new discs were fitted it will take longer for all to mate up, even new discs can be off angle a few thou and we need 100% contact to really get a true feel.

My experience was after the 1000 mile marker the Reds just got better and better, braking gently on pads around town when bedding in doesnt help them, all pads will go a bit wooden driven like that but pretty soon start pushing them a bit harder.

Remember we gave you Reds to get an opinion on this as our new Red which is a fast road LOW DUST pad (or it should be , we have TWO levels of pads above this in terms of outright grip the Yellowstuff and then the new Bluestuff.

One interesting point is that we have been sending out test sets made and hand scorched in our lab and our new continuous oven is now up and running and we are starting to process batches through this line

Look at the bottom of this page

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/...ng/index.shtml

This takes a bit of setting up, we are learning how much time and conveyor speed to get the best performance with each batch and therefore only doing tiny batches as we perfect this. Too much scorching and the pad life is reduced a bit, not enough time and heat and they take longer to bed in which is what I think John Felstead experienced above, especially in the cold.

Bequiaboy2003

Hey Andy! Just letting you know that I sent you a PM. Seems like I never received my pads. Hope you can help...

MaDaSS

Hi Andy
I am just back off a works training course but here is my reply. Thanks for the info above. I will now start pushing more then and see where I go from there. I am certainly not put off yet by anything as regards braking but will of course have better info when i start to use them more.

wrxseeker

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Finally fitted my blues with a set of Godspeed discs yesterday (in the middle of a house move/extension!) and will post my results when they have bedded in a bit.

Just wanted to say that the fitment with the std 4 pots was excellent so hopefully they will prove as good in use.

ozzreid1964

iTrader: (32)

hi andy
had the pads on for a couple of weeks now felt the difference right from the beginning even from cold .went for a re/map last week so they had a good testing can't fault them at all . they are in standard wrx calipers .thanks andy for the chance to try them i know what pads i'll def be getting next time
ozz

4x4disco

Sorry about the delay, Work and weather has got in the way of this test, in the end my mate suggests we use his workshop. We trade a little time on my car for a little time on his tiger racing car (also fitted with EBC yellows).

Having heard some horror stories of some performance pads being ‘the wrong shape’ and people grinding bits off them to make them fit (have they never heard of product liability) I was delighted to find the EBC Yellow stuff pads where the identical shape to the Mintex ones we took off.

I will post a couple of photos later.

Judging from how far we pushed the pistons back, we did feel the EBC pads where a little thicker than the Mintex pads from new but not having any brand new Mintex to compare it was only a feeling.

The fit of the pads was, simply as you would expect the right size and shape pads to fit, perfect. Despite my desire to stay true to the fitment instructions, old habits die hard and my mate had already applied copper slip to the rear of the pads on top of the EBC anti squeal pad, when I said I wanted to fit them ‘dry’. So we left them, copper slipped up.

To be fair to the test my rear discs ‘upon inspection’ are not as good as they could be, but not having any options, we fitted the pads anyway.

So to summarise, we have new discs (Jan this year) on the front with new EBC Yellowstuff pads, and ‘could do with changing next year’ discs at the back also fitted with new EBC Yellowstuff pads.

On a positive note this may show some difference in pad / disc wear, or it could just be wishful thinking on my part.

Now we get to the difficult bit, bedding in.

I my previous ramblings, It was identified that EBC and as some of you have told me ‘other brake pad manufacturers’ assume everybody knows you need to bed performance pads in, And therefore don’t mention in the box of pads.
I did not, and as you read through this forum will realise I am not alone. The comments about any pads poor performance readily gets questioned about bedding in and there I suspect 9 times out of 10 lies the problem.

Tony (big cheese at EBC) did see where I was coming from and is making steps to ensure some note to this effect go in the boxes in the future. Don’t expect anything immediately; these things always take ages longer than you think.

So my bedding in procure is taken from the EBC website, http://www.ebcbrakes.com/troubleshooting.shtml.

For those of you not fallen asleep by now, the question you will be asking is how are the brakes?

From fitment for the first few miles, not really any different cold, but gripping better warm.

the first 100 miles; I can confidently say as good as the old Mintex Cold, and really good when warm.

150 miles; Good cold, great warm.

Even now, in the unbedded state, they are well ahead of the old Mintex pads and with the confidence given, it’s difficult not to work the pads harder.

I am working at the V festival and then helping with the tent collection afterwards, so the test will now ‘go backwards’ for a little as the car will cover a load of miles at low (walking) speed, constantly working the brakes (as only an auto can) towing a loaded trailer.

Roll on the end of the bedding in procedure.

Lets leave the final word to my wife (good plan in life), ‘what have you done to the brakes on the Discovery’ my nervous question of ‘why’ was met with ‘it actually stops now’.

4x4disco

Update on Pad test
I carried out the Bedding in procedure carried out as per the EBC web site, possibly a little more difficult getting two and a half tons of Discovery Diesel Auto up to speed than some of you, but we got there in the end. Stopping varied as I got progressively more heat into them, and the smell increased appropriately.

Bedding in done, the difference is stunning.
From cold, the pads perform much as standard brakes.
When warm the car feels very positive and reassuring when braking.
The difference when hot is amazing, the Pads really do stop and more importantly continue to work even when pushing.

My own questions answered.
I had read that when exiting the motorway after a long run could cause problems as the brakes ‘had gone cold’;
My experience, braking is possibly equivalent of between cold and warm, easily capable of bringing you to a stop without drama (I tried). If you pump the brakes a couple of times the stopping power increases dramatically.

I had heard ‘When crossing a river, the pads absorb water like a sponge’, interesting this one. Not yet got round to crossing a river (but will do at some point) on a recent 150 mile motorway run in pouring rain, when on times I could have been driving down a river I found the pads worked very much as they did when dry.

I was a little concerned as to how ‘performance pads’ would work at walking speeds, on and off the brakes as only an auto can. No worries they worked fine and I did not feel the need to revisit the bedding in procedure.

Summery
When I have the car fully loaded and towing, the pads inspire confidence and as yet have not shown any signs of fading, and as my confidence increases I can brake later and harder than before.

Next test, fully loaded attending 3 days of the WRC Wales. Followed by the real killer test in December towing the xmas float, if I don’t have to re visit the bedding in after float duties I will be surprised (the car basically rides its brakes to get the float to go slow enough).

Would I recommend EBC Brake pads? Well the yellows work fantastically for me, and I would buy another set tomorrow without hesitation.

I will be replacing the pads on my daughters car with EBC, says it all really.
Sean

Neanderthal

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Here's my long overdue review of the EBC Bluestuff pads for the K-Sport 8pot (330mm) kit.
It's taken me so long to review as I've been trying to sort out problems with juddering following DS2500's bonding to the inside face of the rotors.
Despite cleaning off the rotors both by hand and then fitting some Performance Friction pads the juddering was still there once the discs warmed up so in the end a new set of rotors were fitted.
I had the Bluestuff fitted at the same time and as I don't use the car much (work from home) it's taken a while to bed everything in. Now I'm happy that I'n at the stage to write a review and compare the performance of the Bluestuff pads against the many others I've had since fitting the K-Sports.
Like others have posted previously, cold bite is pretty much as per standard but it doesn't take long to get some heat into the brakes and the performance just gets better and better.
I've done about 600 miles with them now and can confidently say that I'n my opinion the Bluestuff is more than a match for the Ds2500's and without the Ds2500's excessive dust!. They are far superior to the K-Sport Race pad. They aren't as good as the PF pads (@ £300 a set) but I never expected them to be.
They give me confidence to push on and I've never once felt any fade.
My only negative comment is that the brakes are a little noisy when the majority of the speed has been scrubbed off (but you're still braking) it's almost like
You can hear the pads passing over the grooves on the disc. My EBC green stuff that I had on my classic many years ago had the same characteristic.
It certainly wouldn't put me off buying another set of Bluestuff when the time comes, I genuinely feel that the Bluestuff offer an ideal cost/performance ratio and I'd just like to thank Andy Freeman for organising this test
Matt