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Old 27 May 2010, 10:35 AM
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Lateral also do twin scroll headers top quality
Old 27 May 2010, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KJD Mk1
You might be interested to know that Lateral now do the MD321H in twin scroll for your car.

Its not listed on the site but it is available

Now that would be interesting


http://lateralperformance.co.uk/prod...special__price_________________________
Originally Posted by Blue Dragoon
I think Owen Developments (?) have them too.

Or Litchfields
http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/shop/content.asp?inc=product&cat=100101&product=LIE024
Thanks guys but I had not planned on spending that kind of money quite yet - although I have priced an rear AP 4 pot conversion this afternoon with Ian Godney and that was £1250 plus the RCM exhaust system is around £880.

Plus a few other bits and pieces - RCM uprated oil pump and Cosworth kevlar timing belt which will be ordered next week.

I think I will get the exhaust and induction kit fitted first plus a remap and then get the rear brakes done around Christmas time.

Originally Posted by S204 Glenn
Lateral also do twin scroll headers top quality
To be honest quite a lot of people have said that the factory headers are the best of the lot, quite a few have fitted even the most expensive headers and they have gone back to the OE fitment.
Old 27 May 2010, 06:01 PM
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Very nice mate,i await the pics....
Old 27 May 2010, 07:19 PM
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Cannon Fodder,
What ever you do.... don't change the OE headers mate!

The OE Oil Pump is also fine at your level!
Old 27 May 2010, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun
Cannon Fodder,
What ever you do.... don't change the OE headers mate!

The OE Oil Pump is also fine at your level!
Totally agree never heard of any issues with either of the above, even tuned I think the Subaru Manifold is excellent

Tony
Old 27 May 2010, 08:41 PM
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Even though I am on a 2.5ltr and single scroll turbo now, I still use the OE headers!
Old 27 May 2010, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaun
Cannon Fodder,
What ever you do.... don't change the OE headers mate!

The OE Oil Pump is also fine at your level!
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Totally agree never heard of any issues with either of the above, even tuned I think the Subaru Manifold is excellent

Tony
Originally Posted by Shaun
Even though I am on a 2.5ltr and single scroll turbo now, I still use the OE headers!
I did a bit of research into the do's and dont's of twin scroll modifications before I bought the car and having read the thread on Litchfield's twin scroll turbo this brought me to the conclusion that OE headers are the best available.

Does the Spec C have an uprated oil pump or is it just good enough for purpose? My reasoning for changing it was as the timing belt is being changed that once the timing cover is off then it is a relatively quick and easy job to change at the same time.

As my Spec C is the motorsport model it does not have an exterior oil cooler so would it be worth installing one instead of spending on the oil pump? I have noticed that the oil temp is slightly higher than my S202 which did have an exterior oil cooler, not by much and this may also be in part to the warmer weather we seem to be blessed with for the 2 week summer we are in.

Thanks for the advice guys.
Old 27 May 2010, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
.. plus the RCM exhaust system is around £880.
Must have come down in price as cost me about £1200 a few years ago!

TX.
Old 27 May 2010, 10:01 PM
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It's nice to see the modding bug still has it's teeth in you At least your mods are well thought out and purposeful.
Old 27 May 2010, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Must have come down in price as cost me about £1200 a few years ago!

TX.
This is the exhaust system recommended to me by Bob Rawle (who actually designed it for RCM).

http://www.rogerclarkmotorsport.co.u...?productID=348

I can buy it through a 3rd party for £700 + VAT plus the cost of the fitting kit so it will come out at around £880.

It's not that bad when you compare it to some of the exhaust systems I have had fitted by a local exhaust manufacturer, ok I still need to get it fitted but it looks like it has exceptional quality (not that I would expect any less from RCM).
Old 27 May 2010, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by More_Boost
Very nice mate,i await the pics....
I'll be hopefully posting up some pics in the Gallery forum over the weekend.

Originally Posted by redwards
It's nice to see the modding bug still has it's teeth in you At least your mods are well thought out and purposeful.
I just want to tweak what is already there Rich, Bob has told me that the turbo is good and that really they only thing to change is the exhaust system, induction kit (as I already have it) and a remap.

I do fancy getting some AP 4 pots on the rear but not essential for now but it is planned for the future (or sooner if I find a bargain set).
Old 27 May 2010, 10:23 PM
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Same one I had on mine also recommended by BR He also suggested the following all of which I had done:

RCM zorst, uprated actuator, uprated fuel pump, 3 port boost solenoid, RCM induction kit + a BR remap ... got me 375/375 which was nice

Enjoy, TX.

TX.
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Same one I had on mine also recommended by BR He also suggested the following all of which I had done:

RCM zorst, uprated actuator, uprated fuel pump, 3 port boost solenoid, RCM induction kit + a BR remap ... got me 375/375 which was nice

Enjoy, TX.

TX.
I have everything apart from the uprated actuator, I have a Walbro 255lph pump (was going to go on the S202) but I thought that the Spec C pump was uprated anyway?

Which actuator did you go for?
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Depending age/model the Spec C's were fitted with either a 11mm or 12mm rotor oil pump. So both size pumps have high flow outputs over the non AVCS earlier Subaru's which run smaller 9mm & 10mm rotor pumps. So the standard pump is very good and depending on your current oil pressure it's probably not worth the upgrade other than running a higher pressure relief spring.

An oil cooler on a predominantly used road car isn't really need, as your oil temps shouldn't run high enough to cause any problems. Also with added flexi hoses and connections there is the increase risk of oil leaks. So I personally would not run one other than a factory fitted item.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
This is the exhaust system recommended to me by Bob Rawle (who actually designed it for RCM).

http://www.rogerclarkmotorsport.co.u...?productID=348

I can buy it through a 3rd party for £700 + VAT plus the cost of the fitting kit so it will come out at around £880.

It's not that bad when you compare it to some of the exhaust systems I have had fitted by a local exhaust manufacturer, ok I still need to get it fitted but it looks like it has exceptional quality (not that I would expect any less from RCM).
What about a Trust titanium exhaust system? should save you a few kgs over stainless steel.
Old 27 May 2010, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bluerigster
Depending age/model the Spec C's were fitted with either a 11mm or 12mm rotor oil pump. So both size pumps have high flow outputs over the non AVCS earlier Subaru's which run smaller 9mm & 10mm rotor pumps. So the standard pump is very good and depending on your current oil pressure it's probably not worth the upgrade other than running a higher pressure relief spring.

An oil cooler on a predominantly used road car isn't really need, as your oil temps shouldn't run high enough to cause any problems. Also with added flexi hoses and connections there is the increase risk of oil leaks. So I personally would not run one other than a factory fitted item.
Thanks Jon, you have saved me some money that I did not need to spend, I had thought about the exterior oil cooler but having read your post I can say that I totally agree.
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where are you going to take some pic's ty ? as i think i need to give the car a run and clean plus you do take good pics
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Originally Posted by catalunya 172
where are you going to take some pic's ty ? as i think i need to give the car a run and clean plus you do take good pics

I was going to give it a wash on Saturday afternoon and take it for a run down to the Preseli Mountains and take some shots at the top of the mountains (where I took the shots of the Hawkeye last summer) as the backdrop is so good.

Are you going on the run on the 13th? As there should be some good places to take some pics of the cars.
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
I was going to give it a wash on Saturday afternoon and take it for a run down to the Preseli Mountains and take some shots at the top of the mountains (where I took the shots of the Hawkeye last summer) as the backdrop is so good.

Are you going on the run on the 13th? As there should be some good places to take some pics of the cars.
yes will be at the run as it would be rude not to as we must show these type r's and renault's what scoobs are all about
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Originally Posted by bluerigster
What about a Trust titanium exhaust system? should save you a few kgs over stainless steel.
Jon, I could save more weight than that by going on a good diet.

Seriously though I do like RCM products and the quality looks good, I'll have a look at them though.
Old 28 May 2010, 09:56 AM
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Cannon Fodder,
As already said, the oil cooler would only be a recommendation for track use imo, but I certainly don't agree with the OE system is the only one to run. If you fit an oil cooler, use proper connections and aeroquip and don't do it on the cheap. There is no reason why it should leak.

OE Spec C fuel pump is fine at your level..... certainly not worth changing. I was using the OE one at 480bhp with no issues what so ever.

Personally I wouldn't get an induction kit. It causes surge on twin scrolls, which is bad for the turbo and not very nice to drive. You can either ignore the surge or map round it. Either way it aint great and the extra few bhp at the top end is not worth it imo. Been there, tested it and reverted back to OE airbox. I also found an in-engine bay induction kit also has a negative affect on air temps..... again I tested this as well.

These cars (of your year) seriously only need a panel filter, decat exhaust, remap, actuator and three port boost solenoid.
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
Which actuator did you go for?
My actuator was removed, sent to Turbo Dynamics (think?), they did something to it, was posted back & put back on the car. Long time ago so can't remember exactly what they did, sorry. Fuel pump was a Walbro 255.

TX.
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You know better than Bob then Shaun sounded good though!

TX.

Originally Posted by Shaun
Personally I wouldn't get an induction kit. It causes surge on twin scrolls, which is bad for the turbo and not very nice to drive. You can either ignore the surge or map round it. Either way it aint great and the extra few bhp at the top end is not worth it imo. Been there, tested it and reverted back to OE airbox. I also found an in-engine bay induction kit also has a negative affect on air temps..... again I tested this as well.
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Originally Posted by Shaun
Cannon Fodder,
As already said, the oil cooler would only be a recommendation for track use imo, but I certainly don't agree with the OE system is the only one to run. If you fit an oil cooler, use proper connections and aeroquip and don't do it on the cheap. There is no reason why it should leak.

OE Spec C fuel pump is fine at your level..... certainly not worth changing. I was using the OE one at 480bhp with no issues what so ever.

Personally I wouldn't get an induction kit. It causes surge on twin scrolls, which is bad for the turbo and not very nice to drive. You can either ignore the surge or map round it. Either way it aint great and the extra few bhp at the top end is not worth it imo. Been there, tested it and reverted back to OE airbox. I also found an in-engine bay induction kit also has a negative affect on air temps..... again I tested this as well.

These cars (of your year) seriously only need a panel filter, decat exhaust, remap, actuator and three port boost solenoid.
Originally Posted by Terminator X
My actuator was removed, sent to Turbo Dynamics (think?), they did something to it, was posted back & put back on the car. Long time ago so can't remember exactly what they did, sorry. Fuel pump was a Walbro 255.

TX.
Are the Forge VF36 actuators any good? I know they can be ordered with different springs to allow for more boost I believe although I could be talking rubbish.

Cheers guys for the advice given as well.
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I only mentioned Lateral headers because they where recomened by Bob for my uk sti

There are various opinions on solioned and actuater Bob said not needed on my o6spec c

Everybody has differant opions induction filter works great on my car
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A UK STI is not twin scroll though.

I would agree on the MY06 Spec C not requiring solenoid and actuator, hence why I said for Cannon Fodder (of your year), as his is an earlier one.

An induction kit works better on a non twin scroll, like the UK variant.

Terminator X,
I think Bob knows.
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Cannon Fodder,
Personally I would go for a Turbo Dynamics "sealed" 1.2bar (or more if you feel a tad fruity) actuator.
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
I picked up the Spec C tonight and I am over the moon with the car , it accelerates like rocket and handles like it is on rails.

I would just like to thank Richard for selling it to me and for having such a fantastic car.

I even stopped in on another member on the way home and took him out for a quick demonstration of the acceleration and handling.

Also thanks to Dylan for coming to view the car with me on Sunday.

Just reading this as I'm back on the net, after a very short break !! I am the other member and thanks for calling in Tyron, with your new pride and joy !! Very Nice and capable car there Ty - a great choice and good luck with your plans for it

Will have a proper look when I see you 2 again
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Originally Posted by S204 Glenn
I only mentioned Lateral headers because they where recomened by Bob for my uk sti

There are various opinions on solioned and actuater Bob said not needed on my o6spec c

Everybody has differant opions induction filter works great on my car
Thanks Glenn, you are right Lateral do some top quality stuff and if I was in the market for some headers it would either be theirs or RCM.

Originally Posted by Shaun
Cannon Fodder,
Personally I would go for a Turbo Dynamics "sealed" 1.2bar (or more if you feel a tad fruity) actuator.
Thanks I'll give them a call to discuss and see what fruity options are available.


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