ASTRA VXR!!! :(
11 May 2010, 05:53 PM
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I have an astra vxr stage 3. 312bhp, RARB, LSD, bigger brakes, springs and so on. 0 - 60 believe it or not the astra at stage 3 doesnt do too bad with LSD against the sti and from a rolling start the astra blows the sti away with ease. I've never had any problems keeping up with a sti on corners untill i get to a very tight corner or a roundabout in the wet. Both completly different cars though... but you lot must admit being overtaken by an astra must make you think "what the heck" 
11 May 2010, 06:06 PM
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11 May 2010, 06:15 PM
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11 May 2010, 06:24 PM
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Deluded M8, the '96 era scooby has around 320-340nm torque(?), the hatch STi PPP has 470.........is it 40% heavier? (Lighter than a blob or hawk from what I can tell).
What the hell did you test drive to get such a downer?
Cannot see how it was a STi, STi ppp or a 330S.
I wouldn't be fazed coming up against ANY of today's hot hatches in mine, both straight line or twisties.
Steve (Who sold 1 classic after being slaughtered by an Audi v8 barge & had a lift off oversteer 'problem' with t'other)
What the hell did you test drive to get such a downer?
Cannot see how it was a STi, STi ppp or a 330S.
I wouldn't be fazed coming up against ANY of today's hot hatches in mine, both straight line or twisties.
Steve (Who sold 1 classic after being slaughtered by an Audi v8 barge & had a lift off oversteer 'problem' with t'other)
It was the MY97 D Series Type R's that had 352Nm and STi/RA STi's had 343Nms.
The JDM Bugeye STi's had 373Nm and the UK STi had 343Nm. The UK Hatch is 407Nm but the JDM STi as 422Nm. But they are fat old things.
11 May 2010, 07:16 PM
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There will be lots of differences between the 2 cars, well several actually but what is the gearing like on the VXR? I know my 1.9 CDTI could probably hit 150mph if tuned, so gearing on the vxr to about 165mph? and what sort of torque levels are you talking for a 300bhp vxr?
Plus the vxr is a good car, but there are a few subaru's out there that have also done the nurburgring in under 8 mins (ok just under but still under) as out of the box cars, and tested by subaru to get those figures
Also, what sort of cost does it take to get a vxr to 400+bhp, its rather cheap to do that with the newer shape subaru Impreza STI's than the older classic shape (about 3k for 400+), so are we really wasting money?
Are the VXR's also twin scroll turbo's? if so which turbo's do you use and what is the standard unit on them?
Tony
but what is the gearing like on the VXR? I know my 1.9 CDTI could probably hit 150mph if tuned, so gearing on the vxr to about 165mph? and what sort of torque levels are you talking for a 300bhp vxr?Plus the vxr is a good car, but there are a few subaru's out there that have also done the nurburgring in under 8 mins (ok just under but still under
) as out of the box cars, and tested by subaru to get those figures Also, what sort of cost does it take to get a vxr to 400+bhp, its rather cheap to do that with the newer shape subaru Impreza STI's than the older classic shape (about 3k for 400+), so are we really wasting money?
Are the VXR's also twin scroll turbo's? if so which turbo's do you use and what is the standard unit on them?
Tony
the mk 5 astra cdti has the same gear box, not too sure on the axact ratios though. dont have them to hand. i have had 160mph out of my vxr. very private road. your talking 10k plus for just the power id say, then handling on top of that. not cheap at all i know. as for the turbo side of things, the standard turbo on the vxr is rather small compared to evo/sti as standard. but that is very handy day to day. not much lag in any speed/gear. id imagine same sort of resonse to a twin scroll, although nowhere near as powerfull. but the thing with most single turbos, especially big turbos, is lag. the vxr has garret upgrades available. up to the gt30/5 modified i think. not trying to sound one sided if thats what yor thinking. had a vxr and more or less took it apart and back together again. just got my subaru so cant realy gob off about it too much.
11 May 2010, 07:31 PM
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My God how people have changed their tunes and realised what the VXR is. I was arguing on here years ago about how fast the VXR was and was constantly told how i was wrong. I had owned 2 scoobies a WRX and an STI both standard. Then bought a VXR in November 2005 as i got a discount through family. The VXR is seriously quick in standard form and would batter a WRX hands down and was more than a challenge to an STI. I was one of the first in the country to have 300BHP upgrade from Thorney back in 2006. and it was silly quick. The talk about torque steer was tosh, plus I believe the Top Gear track time was made with the VXR without the proper runnig gear (a pre production model). Dont get me wrong in the pooring rain, very tight, very fast corners could be an issue, but it never felt dangerous. It is a very quick car and i regretted selling mine especially when i heard a week later the young lad that bought it from me had been caught doing over 100 in a 30 and would probably have to sell it! I am not biased as after the VXR I have had 2 Forester STI's, in fact bought the latest one last week, just love the sound and the feeling. That is one thing i would say, the VXR was like an Evo a little disengaged, i enjoyed it as it was fast, but the character of a scoob is so much more rewarding.
Was just on here to look at if anybody had spotted me and came across this, had to add a comment. I am TEACH on other forums in case anybody thinks i am a troll.
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11 May 2010, 07:43 PM
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sorry about the delay chaps.....i have ONLY ever run my car on shell optimax or tesco 99 ron never uk fuel so i dont imagine i have lost that much power, no expense is spared come service time.....and as for the astra he definatley had a some bits and bobs done under her skirt...he pulled away to quickley and to be fair it had a very nice roar to it to with lots of poping and banging going on......but to tell you truth, i would like to see another one pull up beside me because iam getting a lot of mixed views from this thread (which is great by the way gives me something intresting to read at work lol) but iam about 90% sure he's done some work to it.
11 May 2010, 07:55 PM
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Show me any independent road test that shows that a standard VXR is faster throught the gears than any turbo charged Impreza produced in the past fifteen years. The VXR's 0-60 times in excess of 6 seconds and 0-100 times of around 16 seconds are really 2nd division stuff. Lets get in the real world.
11 May 2010, 08:06 PM
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never been in any vxr, never raced any dont give a ****,
i think the vectra vxr is a nice car,love my scoob, but all cars have gd and bad points!! ,
but the comment below is from the vxr forum, why do some people talk complete and utter pish
"They think they are the quickest car in the world! I pulled away from a '56 plate WRX at the weekend in my astra diesel! He was very confused.. He thought it was a VXR until he realised they don't come in 5 door and it had a cloud of black smoke pouring out the back!"
i think the vectra vxr is a nice car,love my scoob, but all cars have gd and bad points!! ,
but the comment below is from the vxr forum, why do some people talk complete and utter pish
"They think they are the quickest car in the world! I pulled away from a '56 plate WRX at the weekend in my astra diesel! He was very confused.. He thought it was a VXR until he realised they don't come in 5 door and it had a cloud of black smoke pouring out the back!"
11 May 2010, 08:10 PM
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most of this is what we deal with everyday. in the fact that everyone wants to race someone who drives an impreza.... we can drive normaly with out racing (Sometimes) lol
11 May 2010, 08:11 PM
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Show me any independent road test that shows that a standard VXR is faster throught the gears than any turbo charged Impreza produced in the past fifteen years. The VXR's 0-60 times in excess of 6 seconds and 0-100 times of around 16 seconds are really 2nd division stuff. Lets get in the real world.
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11 May 2010, 08:13 PM
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PaulBu, grow up FFS.
Real world is not a magazine article showing that a VXR is quicker through the gears, real world is driver against driver on the road or track.
Your contradict yourself with gay abandon
Real world is not a magazine article showing that a VXR is quicker through the gears, real world is driver against driver on the road or track.
Your contradict yourself with gay abandon
11 May 2010, 08:14 PM
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Show me any independent road test that shows that a standard VXR is faster throught the gears than any turbo charged Impreza produced in the past fifteen years. The VXR's 0-60 times in excess of 6 seconds and 0-100 times of around 16 seconds are really 2nd division stuff. Lets get in the real world.
The reason the Astra is rated at 6.2 sec to sixty and has 0-100 of around 15 sec is because it is FWD, this however gives no indication of how quick rolling in gear times are for the Astra.
The above is why 0-60 and 0-100 should not be used to compare how FWD cars will do against RWD or 4WD cars from rolling.
Once rolling FWD cars already have traction so they have no real deficit to make up and the advantage a 4WD car has is now gone.
Simple example:
A std WRX will beat a VXR 0-60 and 0-100 because it has better traction, however change the test to 30-150 and the WRX will look silly, partly because it won't get there
(banter guys) and mostly because the VXR is at this stage putting the power on the tarmac.The same goes for the Vectra, it is 0.1 faster to 60 than the Astra so will still get beat by a WRX getting there from a stand still, make it a rolling start though and the Vec will shake the scoob off the road as it roars past it and into the distance.
0-60 and 0-100 should not be used to evaluate what will happen if you meet a car on the open "cough" private "cough" roads.
p.s scoobs are still better in the twisties though so don't flame me.
11 May 2010, 08:16 PM
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Show me any independent road test that shows that a standard VXR is faster throught the gears than any turbo charged Impreza produced in the past fifteen years. The VXR's 0-60 times in excess of 6 seconds and 0-100 times of around 16 seconds are really 2nd division stuff. Lets get in the real world.
11 May 2010, 08:22 PM
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11 May 2010, 08:22 PM
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http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=91777
LMAO send him to me & i will sort him out
Trashed a few of these silly cars now, anyone else like a try? [non scooby]
LMAO send him to me & i will sort him out
Trashed a few of these silly cars now, anyone else like a try? [non scooby]
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So what have we concluded? Once rolling the vxr is likely to be quicker than a scoob, top end speed the vxr will do more?from a standing start the scoob will leave it for dead up to whatever speed? On the twists the vxr falls short again? So....... What happens from a standing start on the twists? the scoob wins.. Maybe subaru should release a sti vxr. Instead of the cosworth sti?