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Old 01 March 2010, 07:22 PM
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as much as it pains me to say it Dave is correct :-)

(labour initially followed the spending plan laid down by the Tories)

and TB & GB took a lot of flack for it from the labour old guard, public spending only ramped up after a few more years into the parliament

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Old 01 March 2010, 07:46 PM
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The mistake is assuming that significant swathes of the electorate have the ability to make a rational decision at the ballot box.

Given the utter imbecility, ignorance and downright stupidity of people these days nothing would surprise me come polling day.

Hence of course, this ridiculous government, which merely mirrors the idiots who voted for it last time around, and which is further demonstrated on an almost daily basis by the author of this puerile thread.

A vote for UKIP is simply a vote for Labour. There is only one party with the capability to prevent another "five years of Brown"
Old 01 March 2010, 08:44 PM
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I agree totally mate, Monster raving Loonies all the way!
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Can anyone tell me, in two sentances, what the Tories stand for?
Old 01 March 2010, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
There is only one party with the capability to prevent another "five years of Brown"
Please don't vote for the BNP (again?)
Old 01 March 2010, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by paulr
Can anyone tell me, in two sentances, what the Tories stand for?
No one can, because the minute they tell us it'll be what Lying Labour stand for too
Old 01 March 2010, 10:33 PM
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Brown is the best thing that has ever happened to Britain. He is charismatic, intelligent, cool tempered and has a huuuuuuge moral compass.
Old 01 March 2010, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
I'm not re-writing history. The last Tory governments spending plans were so *catastrophic* that New Labour pledged to stick to them! See ... BBC NEWS | Special Reports | 629 | 629 | Blair's Cabinet of '97 - where are they now? ...

"... He initially gained a reputation for fiscal prudence, sticking to Conservative spending plans for the first two years in government in the teeth of left wing opposition ..."

If you can't remember that as being one of the central planks of their manifesto, one of the *bribes* to get middle England to vote for them, then you must be younger than I thought. Your username isn't your DOB is it .... ?

Dave
That is utter garbage and you know it. Labour poured money into our under funded public services, or have you forgotten the rest of NL 1997 pledges?

An NHS on it's knees was what the last Tory government left behind, hence their desperate NHS pledges today, people simply do not trust them with the NHS (or didn't at least).

The last Tory government nearly destroyed the economy, or don't you remember the ERM catastrophe...some plan that was!!!!


So why don't you go read up on the the 1990's before attempting to patronise me?
Old 01 March 2010, 11:12 PM
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Fact of the matter is this:-

Tories will cut and cut and cut .... they will cut the state education system in favour of private education, they will run down the NHS and make everyone take out Medical Insurance, they will create unrest and strikes, they will destroy the country as they very nearly did under Thatcher and Major!!

Hague is a master politician ... as is Mandleson - what a fight it would be if those two were the leaders of their respective parties!!!
Old 01 March 2010, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
You really are an ****! You said

I then pointed you to an article (and it was the BBC so it must be true!) that backed up my earlier post. That New Labour stuck to Tory spending plans for the first two years of their government. That is a fact.

As for spending on the NHS etc, that's not disputed. They have spent shed loads on the NHS, to good effect or not is another issue. But what is also NOT disputed is their initial sticking to Tory plans.

As for the *ERM debacle*. That was the decision that was backed by ALL 3 parties, the unions and businesses at the time. So it's a little disingenuous to blame the Tories solely for that. And that was how long ago now? Nearly 20 years?

Dave
You said the Labour Party continued the Tory plan, that is just not true.

Our % of GDP on healthcare was lamentable under the previous government..or are you trying to tell me it hasn't gone up under Labour?

% of GDP spend on Schools gone up or down under this government???

I don't remember the Tories giving the BOE independence, or did I miss that? They did that on about day 1 of coming into power.

So please tell me how this government has followed the 'Tory economic plan'???

And ERM is central to the myth that the Tories have a great track record of running the economy is it not??
Old 02 March 2010, 08:09 AM
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Its a simple question, what do the Tories stand for ?

Nobody seems to know.
Old 02 March 2010, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by paulr
Its a simple question, what do the Tories stand for ?

Nobody seems to know.
I don't think even they do and I think they thought they would be elected by default. Now the gap is closing (which is almost unbelievable given the state of the current government) and they need to come up with some policies quickly..... trouble is the left hand doesn't seem to know what the right is doing half the time.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Old 02 March 2010, 08:17 AM
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to quote M Thatcher on winning the 1979 election

Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair."


and she pretty much did
Old 02 March 2010, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hutton_d
As for the *ERM debacle*. That was the decision that was backed by ALL 3 parties, the unions and businesses at the time. So it's a little disingenuous to blame the Tories solely for that.
Another thing I keep reading on here. Yes the ERM was supported by all main parties and business etc.

However, when it became apparent to all but the ego-maniacs in government at the time that we would need to pull out they just continued to plough the country's reserves into the market to try and prop up the ailing pound.

Everyone including all leading economists, business and opposition parties were telling them they had to pull out, but simply to avoid loss of face they frittered away billions overnight (literally) trying to stave off the inevitable.

If you remember in the course of one evening they raised interest rates to 19% and then 25% ... seems almost comical, but was one of the most pathetic and inept displays from a political party I can recall.
Old 02 March 2010, 08:41 AM
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Everyone keeps looking back, rehashing old arguments.

We know what Mr Brown stands for, we have lived it for the last 12 years.

Can anyone tell me what Mr Cameron stands for, or to put it another way, can anyone tell me what a Tory government under David Cameron would look like WITHOUT mentioning Gordon Brown or the current Labour government.
Old 02 March 2010, 10:28 AM
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paul - that is because the essential economic arguments have been won and to all intents and purposes settled

our country is following the American economic model (without the American protectionism)

low tax / low regulation economy

heavy reliance on the service sector, especially financial services

low wage, low skilled workforce, fully inline with the new global economy

the only debate is around the states responsibity to those that can't or don't wish to participate in it.
Old 02 March 2010, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
Fact of the matter is this:-

Tories will cut and cut and cut .... they will cut the state education system in favour of private education, they will run down the NHS and make everyone take out Medical Insurance, they will create unrest and strikes, they will destroy the country as they very nearly did under Thatcher and Major!!

Hague is a master politician ... as is Mandleson - what a fight it would be if those two were the leaders of their respective parties!!!
You are talking through the back of your head. You have no evidence to back up what you are saying.

Les
Old 02 March 2010, 01:39 PM
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Mark my words Les, if the Tories get in the elderly, infirm and poor will be **** upon ...
Old 02 March 2010, 01:57 PM
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Like they haven't been now.

The bankers are the only friends Laying Labour have at the moment.
Old 02 March 2010, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Like they haven't been now.

The bankers are the only friends Laying Labour have at the moment.
Apart from the legions of drones and jobsworths in the massively over inflated public 'services'.

The hordes of the terminally unemployable and teenage single 'mothers'.

And of course the hundreds of thousands of recently naturalised immigrants and their vastly extended families that are now camped out in the UK.

Oh, and don't forget their terminally stupid core vote who 'always vote Labour' no matter what.
Old 02 March 2010, 06:10 PM
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Aye, you're right
Plus, of course, people like my sister who will NEVER vote tory, not even to remove the sitting Labour MP, because, "they are all the same, the conservatives would just do the same......."

OK, she may be right, but does that mean we NEVER give them a chance and these lot can continue to b*ger up the country.
Old 02 March 2010, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Like they haven't been now.
Sorry mate, i dont agree. Labour have done a lot for the elderly poor.

Winter fuel allowance
Minimum income guarantee
Free boiler replacement and loft insulation
Cavity wall insulation

My dads had the lot.
Old 02 March 2010, 08:16 PM
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maybe the elderly poor Paul is talking about didn't have large pensions
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
paul - that is because the essential economic arguments have been won and to all intents and purposes settled

our country is following the American economic model (without the American protectionism)

low tax / low regulation economy

heavy reliance on the service sector, especially financial services

low wage, low skilled workforce, fully inline with the new global economy

the only debate is around the states responsibity to those that can't or don't wish to participate in it.
you must live in a different country to me???

we live in a high tax / high regulation economy (shame the regulation is so mis-guided!)

the rest of what you say is, unfortunately, true - so much for Labour looking after the working classes.....
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
maybe the elderly poor Paul is talking about didn't have large pensions
Or any (apart from the basic state pension). Thats what the minimum income guarantee is, it protects people who dont have full contributions. Mainly divorced women.
Old 02 March 2010, 09:19 PM
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I have never voted anytime in my life as I always thought they are all as bad as each other, but I would rather vote for conservative than see brown run for another term.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
The mistake is assuming that significant swathes of the electorate have the ability to make a rational decision at the ballot box.

Given the utter imbecility, ignorance and downright stupidity of people these days nothing would surprise me come polling day.

Hence of course, this ridiculous government, which merely mirrors the idiots who voted for it last time around, and which is further demonstrated on an almost daily basis by the author of this puerile thread.

A vote for UKIP is simply a vote for Labour. There is only one party with the capability to prevent another "five years of Brown"
you are of course forgetting that every passanger on the platform of life will vote labour , so they keep thier standard of living lmfao , correct me if ime wrong but wasnt cameron quoted as saying they should be made to work for dole money (that lost him several million votes) and then went on to say sickness benifit should be harder to claim (several million more lost) at least if ukip did get in and we pulled out of the eu black hole we as a country would be 17million a day better off . and we wouldnt be held accountable to accecpt any more eu joining countries passangers (RANT OVER)


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