So is naked bunjee jumping,but I wouldnt like to try that either!!!!!

 

Jesus wept...!

Jason... I used to have a Skoda Estelle 120LS that could **** on an Audi Quattro back in the 80's.

(I was young, wore a baseball cap backwards and was nieve too!)

 

I do love it when a Scooby newbie appears and starts talking complete bollox.

My cars better than yours is so dull and pointless it’s embarrassing.

If you wanted something constructive why don’t you just come on and say I have a problem, my car is pants, can you help. You would get more advice than you could handle. But no, its my cavalier is faster cos I blew an impreza away on the road at 100MPH. Oh please, grow up.

If you want to see what quick is come take on me and my mates on track in our various spec cars, believe me you will be going home ever so slightly embarrassed.

 

Gary Foster hits the nail on the head.

I'm sorry Cavalier idiot but you are the person I dread finding anywhere near a road I may be on. You are (and your like)are the cause of all the gatsos and the drive to make speeding as antisocial as drink driving.

Everybody is not racing about after **** like you. The majority of people don't even care about you. Your inflated self importance is flabbergasting.

Your licence should be revoked.

Go race on a racetrack.

 

tee hee

 

>>
I would like to point out that it is impossible for a cavalier sri to do a power slide.
Cem
>>

If a car is stiff enough it will slide on the limit. If the suspension is balanced it will side evenly on all wheels, and there you have power slide.

Did you think for a minuet only AWD could do this? Next you’ve be says F1 cars can’t power slide either.

 

Ok I admit it Ive had a Cavalier with a full Koni set up as well (see I feel better for getting it out). Uprating the suspension did make a difference, but to think it would handle in the same league as even a std Scooby is unbeliveable. Me thinks the guy behind enjoyed watching you try to leave him behind. I have to admit to enjoying that pastime before. Keep your distance and watch the guy in front get totally out of shape.

Go on a track day with the guys on this BBS, dont race, but watch how much faster the Scooby is near the limit.

Jonathan

 

Do please take up the offer and come on a track day. I would love to see how you make a FWD car powerslide ....
Apowerslide occurs when the power applied through the REAR wheels breaks the traction causing them to slide. What you are talking about is a slide pure and simple, nothing to do with power.

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As I said before, Ive not seen a std SRi or GSi yet that didnt involve some body flex, adding harder suspension just magnified this.

One of the main points about the scoob is that the chassis is so rigid to start with, that they can to some extent detune the suspension to give back some kind of comfort.

I cant believe that you are managing to run a cav on 15s at the sort of speed if you are actually cornering hard, they must be really struggling, and you must be trashing the walls and tyre edges with the weight loadings on the edges.

I absolutely destroyed p6000s on my celica with the hard suspension and the smaller rims.

Ive yet to see a car that slides not rolls, just look at TOCA, they dont, or F1 where 50% of the suspension comes from the tyres compressing.
Even F1 cars suffer from understeer at times.

keep it up, its good fun

whats the name of next fridays entertainment then

robski

 

As far a I'm concerned the speed at which you travel on public roads has little to do with the handling setup of your car and far more to do with the laws you are prepared to break and the risks you are prepared to take.

It seems to me that JasonM is at one extreme of this equation.
I hope that nobody I care about has the misfortune to encounter you on the road.

 

Let me see, scooby, 4 wheel drive, 40/60 split power front-rear (uk model), suspension too soft.... hmmmm well mine is a my00 so it has the sti suspension and it aint too soft i can tell you!! anyone on northern meet 4 (sorry couldnt be there had to see someone, female if your wondering) will tell you that over roads like the snake pass you feel every bump. As for handling.... let me see, there is a very nice s bend near where i live, ive done 48 in the van around it and scared me self silly!! (astra mk4) the last part is shallow entry then sharp exit, catches you unaware if your not looking for it, did it at 60ish (mph) in the scoob, no probs, kept on my side of the road and no body roll.
Ive also flown over the snake pass, great corners there, taken some at over 80mph but they were the easy ones, the car just gripped, there was alot more left to go too but due to the ammout of sheep on the roads it wasnt worth trying to kill myself!
Jason, you also said that the scooby driver that flew up behind you at 100mph couldnt keep up, have you thought that he may not have known the roads like you do??????
have you ever tried following someone when you dont know the road?? pretty hard going!!
Underrated handling..... nope... cant agree there, its a 4wd (awd) car, it does handle differently, you cant drive it like a front or rear wheel car, you have to give it power in the corners to make it stick, thats its forte!!
I had a 130bhp 205 1.9gti try it on with my scoob and i left him in 5th!!! so no way would a heavier, less agile cav burn a scoob off!
as for your brothers car, well, i think he should take his car down to the track and see what it can really do, not just try it out on the roads where he can cause accidents.
The scoob aint the performance bargain of the last century for nothing you know!!

 

LETS STEP BACK A BIT

Although I have mentioned the Cavalier, you must remember that my brother has an Impreza, and this was what my original post was mainly concerning.

My brother has spend 26k on this car, had a few suspension setups, including a ProDrive Kit (which ProDrive eventually emitted was wrong).

Try telling him the Impreza is not over rated, when he knows for a fact mine, and his old Cavaliers were more driveable than this car.

SO CAN PETE OR ANYONE, tell me what settings, dampers, poundage springs to run on a P Reg (97) standard UK impreza, because after going to many specialist garages in the UK, and ProDrive, not one yet can get this car the way he wants it.

If you have any tech-info I will pass it on to him.

Thanks

JasonM

PS I don’t read MaxPower and I don’t wear a baseball cap. I personally considered buying a Scooby, but if my brothers is anything to go by I’ld sooner have an Elise or Evo6. Also my 16vSRi is a 95 model, currenty on 39k miles and as I only graduated 2 years ago it will do until I can afford a former car mentioned or something of the like!

STILL AWAITING SOME ONE TO GIVE ME A DESCENT SUSPENION SETUP FOR A UK SCOOBY!!!

 

DazW

I agree.

Has the government just spent our fuel tax by installing internet ready PC's in Rampton

 

Come on guys, don't you recognise a wind up when you see one - if you'd all stop taking the bait he'll soon go back to wherever he appeared from and leave us in peace.

K

 

Another hovercraft full of eels I'm afraid...

 

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Jason states that his brother cannot get the handling to his liking. That is somewhat different to bad handling isn't it?

To say you don't like the handling is one thing, but to say it's bad is rubbish! Mr Sainz and Mr McRae probably have different tastes, but that doesn't mean that either set up is bad now does it?

C'mon Jason, stop talking rubbish and just admit you/your brother don't like it, not that it is a bad handling car.

Geezer

 

MY BROTHERS CAR EXACT SPECIFICATION

97 UK Spec 5DR (211bhp brought brand new)
17" Wheels on 205/45/17 Pirelli PZeros Tyres
Avo Soft Competition Suspension, with adjustable ride height, compression damping, and re-bout damping.
Front springs are 250 pound front
Rear springs are 200 back.
Everything else is standard apart from CAT1 alarm.

This car handles poor, and that’s after many attempts of sorting it out. Although he admits 17" wheels solved a lot of the understeer.

SO CAN SOMEONE IN THE KNOW EXPLAIN WHATS WRONG WITH IT THEN

 

>> Mr Sainz and Mr McRae

But unlike Mr Sainz and Mr McRae cars, the standard UK turbo dont cost £500,000 either!

Thats like saying the Vectra is a top performace car just because it wins races in touring cars.

STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE IN THE KNOW TO EXPLAIN WHY MY BROTHERS CAR WITH IT'S SPECS DONT HANDLE ANYGOOD

 

The basic reason that Cavaliers handle so well according to their drivers is that most have been able to elevate themselves following the part exchange of their Austin Allegro 1.1s (two door) having just snatched a £10 payout on the Saturday lottery draw.

 

Hi Guys

Haven't got anything to say - which I know you will all find incredible (not on this post anyway).

Just came to say HI BLOWDOG, JOHN FELSTEAD AND BARRYK - as me old mates are here I didn't want to be left out

 

I've only had my 93 WRX for 2 weeks but in that time I've had a dozen D***heads like you "racing" me everytime I go out in it. I used to have a modded Peugeot 405 MI16 with koni shocks, which handled very well, but the Impreza is incredible. Yes you get understeer in the wet if pushed to hard but not like a FWD car. It took some getting used to the different driving style, but last weekend I had my standard 93 WRX on the 112 limiter round bends the Pug couldn't do at 80.
Oh by the way it's the pathetic excuse for life like you that nearly killed my girlfriend on her horse 3 weeks ago so log off, do you're homework (especially spelling revision) and we'll see you and you're Cav on a race track in the near future!

 

Every body knows that Vauxhalls handle total crap,

 

At least 6SSK tried flaming us with a half-decent car, but a Vauxhall Cavalier for god's sake?

<shakes head in disbelief>

Jason: Check out this "cool" web page I found for you. And don't come back!

 

Jason,
Are you sure about the front springs, 'cos that seems way too soft to me. I'm not an Impreza expert (Cossie's are my forte), but the Impreza is a similar weight to a Cossie with similar weight distribution and a similar torque split on the diff. On these we run 400lb / 200lb springs. If you are really running only a 250lb front spring, then this maybe your problem as the you may be getting "coil bound" where the springs are simply compressing beyond their design limits.

Pete will be able to advise you of the correct spring rate set up as he helped develop the Leda kit for the Impreza and is the sole UK distributor for this kit. This is what is on his car, and it handles exceptionally well.

As for the Impreza's handling trates, I think you need "educating". You cannot drive them like a normal car or they WILL understeer. The best way is to REALLY brake late and very hard so the weight transfer pitches onto the front wheels (this increases the grip) and then throw the car into the corner. Because the back end has gone light from the heavy braking, the car goes into oversteer. The throttle can then be nailed to pull the car straight (benefits of 4wd), miles before you can get on the power in any "normal" car. Not only is this very entertaining, but it makes for quite a quick lap (doesn't it Stef ). Obviously you can only really explore these handling trates on a track!

In the meantime, I would suggest you get your brother down to Pete Croney at Scoobysport for a full handling re-evaluation, so that the car can become what your brother always wanted it to be - then see what you have to say about how your Vauxhall compares...
LOL
Mike R

 

Mike, couldn't have put it better ...

But I missed the part where you would state that 4WD is for girlies.

Everything OK with you I hope

 

It can't be to soft, this car is rock solid, if you press on the front it just don't move. If anything my brother thinks the springs should be softer, but thinks if he does this he will be out of the limit with his Avos.

To be honest it's that hard, when the garage tested the shocks for the MOT, and pressed on the wing they bent the wing slightly.

At least that a constructive post Mike thanks

 

It's been said before, but I'll say it again...

In standard form, the Impreza is not a great handling car.
It's an average handling car with great grip.

Stef.

 

Jason,
But is this because the dampers have been turned up to their maximum to compensate for the spring's inadequacies.

Evil,
Oops, I forget: Anyway 4wd / fwd is for girls / shopping cars. REAL men drive rwd with more bhp than the chassis can adequately handle....

Is that better?
LOL
Mike R