Timwinner

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Thank you taking the quote out of context, I am sure people will take the time to read the whole thing should the feel the need.

I am not a Police officer, Have never been a police officer and will probably never be a police officer so by you assuming I think it shows what a w@nker you are.

Leslie

Felix,

Please can you tell us why there is so much more crime for the police to have to cope with and also why there is so much more violence associated with that including the willingness to carry out murderous attacks on innocent members of the public.

I can rememebr when I could walk dark streets at night without fear of mugging or attack, and that any burglars who were caught at it by householders would run for it rather than try to kill them!

What has changed?

Les

gallois

criminals have nothing to fear. years ago if someone caught a burgler or mugger, they would have kicked the **** out of them. nowadays, a felix turns up and tries to criminalise the victim of the crime..... My mate caught a bloke trying to nick his van, he managed to drive it away but stalled it, my mate caught him and the ****** tried to stick him with a screwdriver, so my mate battered the thief, he didn't report it as the police in port talbot like many other areas are fkin useless and wouldn't have turned up anyway, so the thief gets picked up anyway for having a bleeding pumpkin swollen face whilst he staggered home, he confesses to the police what happened, two felix's turn up at my mates and try to do my mate for assault, if it weren't for the fact that the neighbours 'witnessed it all' and said 'he kept falling over and bumping his head when he ran away' they would have done my mate......the outcome is this, the thief won't nick cars in that area again for fear of being battered, if the felix's had dealt with it their way, they would have took him away, locked him up for a few hours and let him go, maybe eventually gone to court, let off with a fine which will be paid with his next car theft. (in this case the thief was never charged due to lack of evidence!!!!!) cops like felix, like felix.

Felix.

Leslie - you name it, drugs, breakdown of family values, soft sentences, the 'live on the dole and don't care' attitude

Leslie

Yes Felix, I was thinking along those lines too. What a state the country is in now!

Les

Felix.

Have I ever said I would try to criminalise the victim??? – read the earlier posts.

So, your mate is attacked whilst detaining someone and is threatened with a weapon, so he uses self defence to preserve his life and property – no problems there. Then presumably he has let him go and has not told the police what happened. Police happen to come across the bloke who is now injured. Do you expect the police to turn a blind eye at an injured person – bearing in mind they have not been told about the van incident? So they help him. He states that he has been attacked by your mate. Do you want the police to investigate this or sweep it under the carpet. So they attend your mate’s house and ask about the assault. He states it was self defence and is backed up by his neighbour – case closed. They haven’t tried to ‘do him’ or ‘fit him up’.

If the thief was never charged – he obviously hasn’t ‘confessed all to the police’ then and since your mate did not come forward then there is no evidence against the bloke. The current system is innocent until proven guilty ie your mate and his neighbour’s evidence would have done it. But since they were not bothered to go to court, then what do you want the police/courts to do. So you want all of the effects but none of the responsibility.

Like you say, it may prevent the bloke from coming back, or it may spur him on to target your mate and seek his revenge. It depends who’s got the bigger gang I suppose and the larger knives – remember the bloke and his cronies won’t be working so will have all the time in the world.

Anyway, if your mates happy, then crack on. It seems to me that in this case the police found out what happened, let your mate go and arrested the bloke even thought they had little to go on. How did you want the police to deal with it (and no, we can’t just beat the bloke up or leave him without knee caps)

Felix.

Les [/QUOTE]

Exactly - and we are often banging our heads of a brick wall. We have prolific criminals with in excess of 100 crimes on their PNC (and these are the ones which they have been caught out on – you could times that figure by 10). They are no good in society and need removing.

They should now be a system where they can be removed and given to the army (mine clearing etc) or sent to live on one of our smaller islands away from the rest of us (Anthrax island is supposed to be nice in the summer)

The whole system needs changing or otherwise we are going to sink.

Leslie

I can understand your thinking Felix. It really must be a headache when you have such prolific crims to deal with. When they are at such a stage I can't see how they can be cured, not by any reasonable methods anyway-how can you ever turn their thinking around?

As you say, if the system is not changed to something really positive that might just work-and that can only mean swingeing punshment that they dont want to risk again, we are in danger of a pretty dreadful society in the future-if you could call it that!

Les