UK drug smuggler executed
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If China wants to integrate with the modern world, then they need to start behaving like a modern civilised country. And that means ending the death penalty.
Makes me sick to my stomach to think that people actually consider this to be a good thing.[/QUOTE]
4kg of heroin is really civilised no sympathy
Makes me sick to my stomach to think that people actually consider this to be a good thing.[/QUOTE]
4kg of heroin is really civilised no sympathy
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As for the quotes? Well I don't know TBH
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As far as I was concerned, I was quoting RA Dunk, not Martin ( I pressed the quote button on that same, specific, post). I assumed Bubbas rant straight after my post was at someone else.
I guess even a sophisticated internet forum and its specialised software would get confused by the sheer volume of bollox being posted in here by some!
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Since when has the "modern world" been civilised,the reason the "west" is so disliked by the 3rd world is because of the typical "do as we say, not as we do", **** you,were all right" behaviour,of the "modern/western world".You need examples.The "modern world" has helped overthrow democratically elected governments (Indonesea,Iraq,Iran, to name but 3) for the simple reason that the countries criticise and refuse to impliment unfair,1 sided trade agreements.Or how about BEA (not just for paying bribes) sellin planes to despot countries like Saudi,( Oops, my mistake, as said country supports the Iraq war so is no longer a corrupt,brutal,dictatorship).China and Russia are now giving the west a lesson in "free trade" they are our pay masters now. So let me know where this "modern world" is coz I'm on the first rocket ship out of here...
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Since when has the "modern world" been civilised,the reason the "west" is so disliked by the 3rd world is because of the typical "do as we say, not as we do", **** you,were all right" behaviour,of the "modern/western world".You need examples.The "modern world" has helped overthrow democratically elected governments (Indonesea,Iraq,Iran, to name but 3) for the simple reason that the countries criticise and refuse to impliment unfair,1 sided trade agreements.Or how about BEA (not just for paying bribes) sellin planes to despot countries like Saudi,( Oops, my mistake, as said country supports the Iraq war so is no longer a corrupt,brutal,dictatorship).China and Russia are now giving the west a lesson in "free trade" they are our pay masters now. So let me know where this "modern world" is coz I'm on the first rocket ship out of here...[/QUOTE]
How true - stiff upper lip
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[/QUOTE]How true - stiff upper lip
do as i say , not as i do
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The majority in the UK support the death penalty, since it's abolition serious crime has risen.
Saying things like "in Saudi they cut off thieves hands yet there are still thieves" is naive as that's typically an un-thought out chance crime where the perpetrator doesn't consider the implications. Whereas premeditated crime, where somebody calculates what their intent is, means that they will also consider the fact that if caught they may be executed will undoubtedly influence their decision whether or not to proceed with the crime.
Taking the PC (aka Martin2005) path is to make no decision at all.........
Saying things like "in Saudi they cut off thieves hands yet there are still thieves" is naive as that's typically an un-thought out chance crime where the perpetrator doesn't consider the implications. Whereas premeditated crime, where somebody calculates what their intent is, means that they will also consider the fact that if caught they may be executed will undoubtedly influence their decision whether or not to proceed with the crime.
Taking the PC (aka Martin2005) path is to make no decision at all.........
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Don't think you can say much fairer than that DCI.
All this stems from your rooted objection to the death penalty Martin. You are of course perfectly entitled to think that way just as anyone else is also fully allowed to think the opposite.
China is a sovereign state and it is able quite legally to award the death penalty for any offence they choose.
This fellow was caught with an enormous amount of heroin on him, however it happened, he had broken the law and rendered himself liable to that penalty. Now we do not know all the circumstances as far as I know and we can't say whether he was duped into carrying it or whether he even knew what the substance was. We also don't know what effect his quoted mental state had on his actions.
You have spent a great deal of time almost seeming to justify the actions of drug dealers and to say they are no more culpable than the users. You did your best to sidestep what Sara said about their nefarious activities and how they will deliberately suck people in, including young children, until they become reliant on them for the drugs which they are now hooked on.
How can you say that they are not more to blame for all those deaths and misery etc. which happen because of the addiction to those class A drugs? You have to realise that they are preying on their customers and on those that they are trying to get hooked! Think of the huge amounts of cash they are making out of their disgusting trade. They even use young children as runners!
I personally think that they deserve huge penalties for their crimes and that the State is entitled to set those penalties as it wishes.
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All this stems from your rooted objection to the death penalty Martin. You are of course perfectly entitled to think that way just as anyone else is also fully allowed to think the opposite.
China is a sovereign state and it is able quite legally to award the death penalty for any offence they choose.
This fellow was caught with an enormous amount of heroin on him, however it happened, he had broken the law and rendered himself liable to that penalty. Now we do not know all the circumstances as far as I know and we can't say whether he was duped into carrying it or whether he even knew what the substance was. We also don't know what effect his quoted mental state had on his actions.
You have spent a great deal of time almost seeming to justify the actions of drug dealers and to say they are no more culpable than the users. You did your best to sidestep what Sara said about their nefarious activities and how they will deliberately suck people in, including young children, until they become reliant on them for the drugs which they are now hooked on.
How can you say that they are not more to blame for all those deaths and misery etc. which happen because of the addiction to those class A drugs? You have to realise that they are preying on their customers and on those that they are trying to get hooked! Think of the huge amounts of cash they are making out of their disgusting trade. They even use young children as runners!
I personally think that they deserve huge penalties for their crimes and that the State is entitled to set those penalties as it wishes.
Les
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The majority in the UK support the death penalty, since it's abolition serious crime has risen.
Saying things like "in Saudi they cut off thieves hands yet there are still thieves" is naive as that's typically an un-thought out chance crime where the perpetrator doesn't consider the implications. Whereas premeditated crime, where somebody calculates what their intent is, means that they will also consider the fact that if caught they may be executed will undoubtedly influence their decision whether or not to proceed with the crime.
Taking the PC (aka Martin2005) path is to make no decision at all.........
Saying things like "in Saudi they cut off thieves hands yet there are still thieves" is naive as that's typically an un-thought out chance crime where the perpetrator doesn't consider the implications. Whereas premeditated crime, where somebody calculates what their intent is, means that they will also consider the fact that if caught they may be executed will undoubtedly influence their decision whether or not to proceed with the crime.
Taking the PC (aka Martin2005) path is to make no decision at all.........
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Don't think you can say much fairer than that DCI.
All this stems from your rooted objection to the death penalty Martin. You are of course perfectly entitled to think that way just as anyone else is also fully allowed to think the opposite.
China is a sovereign state and it is able quite legally to award the death penalty for any offence they choose.
This fellow was caught with an enormous amount of heroin on him, however it happened, he had broken the law and rendered himself liable to that penalty. Now we do not know all the circumstances as far as I know and we can't say whether he was duped into carrying it or whether he even knew what the substance was. We also don't know what effect his quoted mental state had on his actions.
You have spent a great deal of time almost seeming to justify the actions of drug dealers and to say they are no more culpable than the users. You did your best to sidestep what Sara said about their nefarious activities and how they will deliberately suck people in, including young children, until they become reliant on them for the drugs which they are now hooked on.
How can you say that they are not more to blame for all those deaths and misery etc. which happen because of the addiction to those class A drugs? You have to realise that they are preying on their customers and on those that they are trying to get hooked! Think of the huge amounts of cash they are making out of their disgusting trade. They even use young children as runners!
I personally think that they deserve huge penalties for their crimes and that the State is entitled to set those penalties as it wishes.
Les
All this stems from your rooted objection to the death penalty Martin. You are of course perfectly entitled to think that way just as anyone else is also fully allowed to think the opposite.
China is a sovereign state and it is able quite legally to award the death penalty for any offence they choose.
This fellow was caught with an enormous amount of heroin on him, however it happened, he had broken the law and rendered himself liable to that penalty. Now we do not know all the circumstances as far as I know and we can't say whether he was duped into carrying it or whether he even knew what the substance was. We also don't know what effect his quoted mental state had on his actions.
You have spent a great deal of time almost seeming to justify the actions of drug dealers and to say they are no more culpable than the users. You did your best to sidestep what Sara said about their nefarious activities and how they will deliberately suck people in, including young children, until they become reliant on them for the drugs which they are now hooked on.
How can you say that they are not more to blame for all those deaths and misery etc. which happen because of the addiction to those class A drugs? You have to realise that they are preying on their customers and on those that they are trying to get hooked! Think of the huge amounts of cash they are making out of their disgusting trade. They even use young children as runners!
I personally think that they deserve huge penalties for their crimes and that the State is entitled to set those penalties as it wishes.
Les
If a user can't get drugs there is no user, so yes it's the dealers fault. If no heroin what so ever came into this country again there would be no users, in a perfect world you could tell people not to take drugs and they'd listen. It's not perfect and there will always be dealers and always addicts, the only thing that will ever happen is try to reduce the number of both.
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Post 286 - it's not a side step, it's a fact that this whole notion of drug dealers getting kids addicted by hanging around outside schools and giving them free drugs etc. is a nonsense dreamt up by the more imaginative sections of the media and those with an axe to grind.
As a slight aside it always amuses me how the media take the moral high ground over drugs yet go to any media event and I guarantee there will be more coke available than might be sat in the secret jungle warehouse of a Columbian drugs baron.
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If alcohol is a bigger killer, do you think it is related to the amount of alcohol consumed compared to the amount of drugs being taken in the country? I agreed above that alcohol can be an addictive killer, but it is easier to resist that addiction than to avoid addiction via the use of crack.
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Les,
Post 286 - it's not a side step, it's a fact that this whole notion of drug dealers getting kids addicted by hanging around outside schools and giving them free drugs etc. is a nonsense dreamt up by the more imaginative sections of the media and those with an axe to grind.
As a slight aside it always amuses me how the media take the moral high ground over drugs yet go to any media event and I guarantee there will be more coke available than might be sat in the secret jungle warehouse of a Columbian drugs baron.
Post 286 - it's not a side step, it's a fact that this whole notion of drug dealers getting kids addicted by hanging around outside schools and giving them free drugs etc. is a nonsense dreamt up by the more imaginative sections of the media and those with an axe to grind.
As a slight aside it always amuses me how the media take the moral high ground over drugs yet go to any media event and I guarantee there will be more coke available than might be sat in the secret jungle warehouse of a Columbian drugs baron.
Yes well I am not that surprised about what you say about those media events which in the first place shows that they think they are cleverer than the great British public and of course their stories will sell papers!
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You believe criticism of a government is racist? I suggest you go look up the meaning of racism.
By definition racism is making prejudicial remarks about a RACE, when have I EVER done that?.
I've read some dumbass stuff on this forum, but that really does plunge new depths of stupidity
Just be a man and apologise, you're starting to look desperate
It is very convenient for you to differentiate between China and the Chinese. Straight out of the old handbook.
You might be fooling all the "dumbasses" on this forum (including yourself) but you ain't fooling me.
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This is a democracy everybody, so shut up, i'm talking. It's good to see such passionate people here, even if we don't all agree all the time. Arguements aside, Happy New Year guys n gals. (when it arrives)
Peace.
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It's good to see such passionate people here, even if we don't all agree all the time. Arguements aside, Happy New Year guys n gals. (when it arrives)Peace.
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For all those who think that alcohol is neither a real problem or a real addiction here are some facts published in the last couple of days...
Happy New Year everyone - hope you are enjoying your hangovers!
Originally Posted by Royal College of Physicians
With a quarter of England's population consuming hazardous amounts, alcohol addiction already costs the NHS more than £2.7 billion a year.
Professor Ian Gilmore, president of the Royal College of Physicians, said: "The nation's growing addiction to alcohol is putting an immense strain on health services, especially in hospitals, costing the NHS over £2.7 billion each year."
And this sum has doubled in under five years.
"This burden is no longer sustainable," he said.
Professor Ian Gilmore, president of the Royal College of Physicians, said: "The nation's growing addiction to alcohol is putting an immense strain on health services, especially in hospitals, costing the NHS over £2.7 billion each year."
And this sum has doubled in under five years.
"This burden is no longer sustainable," he said.
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BBC News - British man said to be mentally ill executed in China
It's a pity we here in the UK don't take the same stance as the chinese have. Think of the misery 4KG of herion would have caused had it been brought into this country. Druga account for a large percentage of all crime committed in the UK. The less scum there are to smuggle it in the better.
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It's a pity we here in the UK don't take the same stance as the chinese have. Think of the misery 4KG of herion would have caused had it been brought into this country. Druga account for a large percentage of all crime committed in the UK. The less scum there are to smuggle it in the better.
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it would of came from afgan herion , they sell it here in the uk 2 buy arms to kill are army , i ve read its eastern europe gangs that flood are streets in britain . and u would not be on here if in china as it is a dictaitor ship. some one from china killed 2 young newcastle people , he got life , u can order body parts human over there what a good example , that scum empolys police prisons , insurance comp, judges , lawyers , generate income in fines made 2 work un payed , go live there ull be safe , noodle