EcuTek mapping Vs Open mapping ?
02 January 2010, 12:43 AM
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Hi there new best buddy Francis. A word to the wise.
Sometimes, when you're doing business with someone, you have to trust your instincts and go with a person you believe is going to help promote your ideal as well as take care of the complete interests of the end users.
Ecutek certainly don't believe it's you now, do they?
Sometimes, when you're doing business with someone, you have to trust your instincts and go with a person you believe is going to help promote your ideal as well as take care of the complete interests of the end users.
Ecutek certainly don't believe it's you now, do they?
As for EcuTek's rules and regs, what qualifies one individual over another seems to change as often as the weather but ultimately they choose who they want to do business with. Fair enough.
I do my business quietly because that's the way i like it. As for box...Would you like some nails for yours 
Competitveness on SN generally seems to consist of hurling personal attacks and insults at eachother hoping one or the other runs off with their tails between their legs showing everyone how clever you are for winning that round. Far too many primadonnas on here getting their cables in a twist because they think they have all the answers and their way is the only way. Call that professional. ****!!
I've spent 20 years in electronics recruitment dealing with some of the worlds largest and most prestigeous Blue Chips and privately owned SME's you're ever likely to come across in almost every country on this planet. I've met and interviewed every type of individual character you're ever likely to meet and i can honestly say i've never ever seen anyone behave as unprofessionaly as i''ve seen on SN.
Watching you all do your thing on SN at times is like taking a trip to the Zoo and watching the animals entertain the punters while rolling about in their own ****. Precious!!
02 January 2010, 12:46 AM
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Dude, the bottom line is that EcuTeK is a business not a democracy. They can make their rules, change them, bend and break them at any time they want. It does, as mentioned earlier, seem a little random, but ultimately that's their prerogative.
Maybe they are that blinkered and up themselves, maybe there were other reasons that we are not aware of (and that were not obvious to you) why you were declined. Ultimately, any business owner can choose whether or not to deal with a potential client - just as you can decline the opportunity to remap a car if you had a feeling, of any sort, that it was going to cause you problems down the line. Just one of those things - and as you say, you don't need 'em nowadays anyway.
Maybe they are that blinkered and up themselves, maybe there were other reasons that we are not aware of (and that were not obvious to you) why you were declined. Ultimately, any business owner can choose whether or not to deal with a potential client - just as you can decline the opportunity to remap a car if you had a feeling, of any sort, that it was going to cause you problems down the line. Just one of those things - and as you say, you don't need 'em nowadays anyway.
02 January 2010, 02:53 AM
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i have too its like saying i use snap on tool s you use halfords so am better at the job , i went o/s as did nt like the idea of a licence at exta cost , it cost enough anyway , i think it s wrong just extra money , means to me they have you hooked as u need to use them all the time , and at round £650 pre licence and they can do 2 a day they must makeround300k a year , then its as only good as the mapper , and if he know s his stuff , they say soft wear is crap . u can not win , and all top tuner s tek are busy for months , i ve got a 7 pound asda dvd player dose all formats , have sony top shelf av amp and dvd player , and only plays most things not all , hope u find the best solution os or ecu tek , it s mad . lol.my os mapper gave is a warrenty so can not be that bad ,
02 January 2010, 03:34 AM
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Dude, the bottom line is that EcuTeK is a business not a democracy. They can make their rules, change them, bend and break them at any time they want. It does, as mentioned earlier, seem a little random, but ultimately that's their prerogative.
Maybe they are that blinkered and up themselves, maybe there were other reasons that we are not aware of (and that were not obvious to you) why you were declined. Ultimately, any business owner can choose whether or not to deal with a potential client - just as you can decline the opportunity to remap a car if you had a feeling, of any sort, that it was going to cause you problems down the line. Just one of those things - and as you say, you don't need 'em nowadays anyway.
Maybe they are that blinkered and up themselves, maybe there were other reasons that we are not aware of (and that were not obvious to you) why you were declined. Ultimately, any business owner can choose whether or not to deal with a potential client - just as you can decline the opportunity to remap a car if you had a feeling, of any sort, that it was going to cause you problems down the line. Just one of those things - and as you say, you don't need 'em nowadays anyway.
02 January 2010, 07:17 AM
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An interesting debate indeed, my car is on Ecutek and will continue to do so unless my numbers come in and i go all out with an aftermarket ECU.
I will also use the same mapper regardless of what tools he uses, without making this a personal comment/Attack to any OS tuners on here i realise tuners have to start somewhere however it will be very hard to shake off a cowboy image that is associated in the OS world of tuning. Maybe im being small minded but from what i have witnessed already it doesnt bare well. Individuals who know very little about tuning can and are using this to make money. I fully understand some of the OS tuners will be completely capable of tuning a car safely however the bad guys are already out there. Not good for the tuning industry.
I will also use the same mapper regardless of what tools he uses, without making this a personal comment/Attack to any OS tuners on here i realise tuners have to start somewhere however it will be very hard to shake off a cowboy image that is associated in the OS world of tuning. Maybe im being small minded but from what i have witnessed already it doesnt bare well. Individuals who know very little about tuning can and are using this to make money. I fully understand some of the OS tuners will be completely capable of tuning a car safely however the bad guys are already out there. Not good for the tuning industry.
02 January 2010, 01:18 PM
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I seem to recall someone on this thread 'frying' their Hawkeye Sti ECU using OS.
Fortunately an Ecutek tuner came to the rescue and programmed a spare Ecutek licenced ECU to get him going again !
I've had a laptop fail mid programme on Ecutek and on restarting just initiated the recovery programme and all was quickly back to normal.
Its functions like that I take for granted with the rigorous testing the latest Ecutek software has pre release.
Fortunately an Ecutek tuner came to the rescue and programmed a spare Ecutek licenced ECU to get him going again !
I've had a laptop fail mid programme on Ecutek and on restarting just initiated the recovery programme and all was quickly back to normal.
Its functions like that I take for granted with the rigorous testing the latest Ecutek software has pre release.
02 January 2010, 01:58 PM
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I don't think OS was the problem in this case. I might be wrong but i believe a MAC laptop and use of parallels was the issue behind this bricked ECU ot something along those lines.
The only reason for using different hardware was because his laptop was stolen out of the car in broad daylight. At least someone was willing to help out in a crisis regardless of what software was used. Goes to show what a top man this particular EcuTek mapper is, unlike some others. This was some time back.
The more you talk about OS in a derogatory manner the more exposure this thread gets becuase the more replies you'll get. IMHO any exposure right now is good exposure. Keep going!!
My thought for the day: Try and be nice to people on your way up as on your way back down people tend to remember what a **** you were!!
The only reason for using different hardware was because his laptop was stolen out of the car in broad daylight. At least someone was willing to help out in a crisis regardless of what software was used. Goes to show what a top man this particular EcuTek mapper is, unlike some others. This was some time back.
The more you talk about OS in a derogatory manner the more exposure this thread gets becuase the more replies you'll get. IMHO any exposure right now is good exposure. Keep going!!
My thought for the day: Try and be nice to people on your way up as on your way back down people tend to remember what a **** you were!!
02 January 2010, 01:58 PM
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But you know that the reason for that ecu frying was nothing related to OS but the fact that someone had stolen my laptop so I was forced to use my macbook using windows via parallels (on my own car while awaiting a new laptop) - a slight hiccup in parallels caused a breakdown in communications and ended as it ended. 100% nothing related to OS or Ecutek - purely an operating system and software issue.
02 January 2010, 02:15 PM
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That's one of the reasons EcuTek gave me for not allowing me a dealership. I'm already using OS/ECUedit software so they don't trust me, coupled with, I don't have permanent premises to work from so until i do..., and i'm too close geographically to Zen Performance.
So how was Simon allowed a dealership baring in mind he doesn't have premises and is mobile only, and as has been posted on this thread by someone already, he used OS software before EcuTek, plus Sanspeed and CPL are just a stones throw away??
The money EcuTek charges for a dealership 'represents a considerable investment from their dealers' (their words), which i was more than willing make. Are EcuTek so blinkered and up themselves to think that someone would genuinely waste their time with free software when they've just paid thousands for a franchise and the latest commercial kit.
I don't know how long Simon has been an EcuTek dealer so i presume EcuTek didn't have quite so many reasons to say no back then, but even if they said yes now i'd happily tell them where to plug their flash cable.
So how was Simon allowed a dealership baring in mind he doesn't have premises and is mobile only, and as has been posted on this thread by someone already, he used OS software before EcuTek, plus Sanspeed and CPL are just a stones throw away??
The money EcuTek charges for a dealership 'represents a considerable investment from their dealers' (their words), which i was more than willing make. Are EcuTek so blinkered and up themselves to think that someone would genuinely waste their time with free software when they've just paid thousands for a franchise and the latest commercial kit.
I don't know how long Simon has been an EcuTek dealer so i presume EcuTek didn't have quite so many reasons to say no back then, but even if they said yes now i'd happily tell them where to plug their flash cable.
I would say "bitter" was a better description.
02 January 2010, 02:29 PM
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I admit i was at the time but soon got over that. Suffice to say i'm much happier these days
SN is full of ***** all trying to get one over on the other. In fact i'd say that most of the time these discussions turn into **** fights, or as someone posted on another SN thread where a couple of traders were doing their thing...bum fight!!
I speak plainly and stick to the facts as i see them. If you don't like it...don't read it!!
If you want to call me a **** or otherwise please do so i've no problems with that. I'm a firm believer in free speech and i don't take it to heart.
Sticks and stones and all that
SN is full of ***** all trying to get one over on the other. In fact i'd say that most of the time these discussions turn into **** fights, or as someone posted on another SN thread where a couple of traders were doing their thing...bum fight!!
I speak plainly and stick to the facts as i see them. If you don't like it...don't read it!!
If you want to call me a **** or otherwise please do so i've no problems with that. I'm a firm believer in free speech and i don't take it to heart.
Sticks and stones and all that
02 January 2010, 03:27 PM
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Maybe it's time to wind this up with a quick precis.
Most professional tuners operating bona fide businesses use Ecutek in preference to OS. They provide a proper back up, are fully insured and are known to the Inland Revenue.
Ecutek clearly don't hand out dealerships to just anybody.
I can't see any particular reason why OS shouldn't be used, just bear in mind that all it takes to operate it is a **** with a laptop.
FYI I keep chickens, and know exactly what to do if we have too many *****..
Most professional tuners operating bona fide businesses use Ecutek in preference to OS. They provide a proper back up, are fully insured and are known to the Inland Revenue.
Ecutek clearly don't hand out dealerships to just anybody.
I can't see any particular reason why OS shouldn't be used, just bear in mind that all it takes to operate it is a **** with a laptop.
FYI I keep chickens, and know exactly what to do if we have too many *****..
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From an customer point of view I must say that it's a great shame that this thread, potentially very interesting and informative for those of us not blessed with the 'knowledge', has degenerated into a mud slinging match of the kind that SN is famous for.
It does nothing for the repective reputations of the participants, and nothing for the punters either.
I have followed it right from the off, but it's time to delete subscription.
It does nothing for the repective reputations of the participants, and nothing for the punters either.
I have followed it right from the off, but it's time to delete subscription.
02 January 2010, 03:49 PM
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02 January 2010, 04:07 PM
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From an customer point of view I must say that it's a great shame that this thread, potentially very interesting and informative for those of us not blessed with the 'knowledge', has degenerated into a mud slinging match of the kind that SN is famous for.
It does nothing for the repective reputations of the participants, and nothing for the punters either.
I have followed it right from the off, but it's time to delete subscription.
It does nothing for the repective reputations of the participants, and nothing for the punters either.
I have followed it right from the off, but it's time to delete subscription.
It's just a choice of system, and that's all, unless you decide that you'd prefer the back up of a fully established organisation.
Everything else is just banter, it's hard not to when you have an open goal.
That is just what I was thinking when I was told!!!!
02 January 2010, 04:40 PM
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I will also use the same mapper regardless of what tools he uses, without making this a personal comment/Attack to any OS tuners on here i realise tuners have to start somewhere however it will be very hard to shake off a cowboy image that is associated in the OS world of tuning.
You make a very interesting point re. this "cowboy" thing, and as you say (and as has been mentioned earlier, more than once), one of the downsides of freely downloadable tools is that anyone can claim themselves to be "a mapper". The bad guys are definitely out there, and as I have said in the past, the requirement to make a financial investment in the EcuTeK system does at very least require anyone wanting to get involved to be serious about it.
However, if open sauce has a "cowboy image", I'm not exactly sure what this implies about 'Tek. This is, let's remember, a project that has its beginnings in the open source domain but which was subsequently commercialised. It has since used the returns accrued from that point onward to become a business known to the Inland Revenue.
If open sauce = cowboy, what does that make the cowboys who set up an office?
Is Tek "more bug-free" than the alternatives? How do we know? In a world where they were the only player they could blame reliability problems on teh ECU, for example.
Would they have ever got involved with "development" on the newage ECUs if it wasn't for the alternative doing so? Why isn't some level of "development" going on in the areas where Tek still have a commercial monopoly?
I fully understand some of the OS tuners will be completely capable of tuning a car safely however the bad guys are already out there. Not good for the tuning industry.
It stands to reason that where there's a profitable market, people will try and find ways to benefit from it. Some of these will come in from a philosophy of providing a good product which generates positive customer experience, and in turn repeat business. Some will come at it with an aim to exploit the customer for a quick quid. Some will do the best they can - which may or may not be "as good" as someone else.
Also, going back to the earliest days of car tuning, and computing, there have been people looking for a new way to tweak, new cool things to do. The concept for what became EcuTeK came from one such person. Much of the driving force for the open sauce community originally came from another. The primary difference between the two is that Boles kept his work in the public domain, Done didn't.
Does EcuTeK's early stranglehold on the market make them "good", or does it merely make them "first"? Who, or what, is a cowboy here? Are we talking about black and white, or just many and varied shades of grey? Does it ultimately matter when the work of the tuner is what really counts?
02 January 2010, 04:41 PM
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Most professional tuners operating bona fide businesses use Ecutek in preference to OS. They provide a proper back up, are fully insured and are known to the Inland Revenue.
Ecutek clearly don't hand out dealerships to just anybody.
I can't see any particular reason why OS shouldn't be used, just bear in mind that all it takes to operate it is a **** with a laptop.
FYI I keep chickens, and know exactly what to do if we have too many *****..
Ecutek clearly don't hand out dealerships to just anybody.
I can't see any particular reason why OS shouldn't be used, just bear in mind that all it takes to operate it is a **** with a laptop.
FYI I keep chickens, and know exactly what to do if we have too many *****..
I'm curious how many of the "been doing it for years" OS mappers on here actually run a genuine business and have audited accounts, never mind a vat number
02 January 2010, 05:49 PM
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3.30am.....two ***** in unison.... "anycockldoooo!!" Over and over again. All it does is keep me awake. I know what i would do with too many *****...turn them into soup!!
02 January 2010, 05:56 PM
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OK, you asked for it...
This is my attack ****.. ready willing and able..