YouTube - DJ Sammy - Heaven - 911 Remix

 

Sorry Alan i got you and UK300scoob mixed up, my apologies.

My opinions rarely make sense but they are my opinions and i will argue for mine or any other persons right to have them without being shot down because they may not be "mainstream" as has been seen here.

 

My wife has that on her mobile,lump in throat every time(thats if your human)

 

I find it sad what happened, just as I feel sad about any other terrorist/politically motivated attack on innocent people. I cannot personally rank my 'pity' depending on a particular attack, but to my mind, any loss of life does make me feel for those killed, their families and those who have to pick up the pieces (as per FMs post).

Any innocent people caught in the crossfire of wars and conflict deserve some respect. Whether American/English/Irish/Middle Eastern etc etc. People going about their normal daily business don't necessarily support all this fighting, and to lose their lives because of other peoples fights is deplorable (sp).

 

watched a programme on tv tonight about the phone calls of 9/11, hearing some talk on the phone to there loved ones and the phone cutting off as the buildings falling on them, very shocking and sad.

really dont understand where the IRA comes into this conversation its about familys and friends losing there loved ones in an attack in america and people showing there thoughts, if you dont have anything good to say about this dont say anythign at all on this thread. because im sure most people wouldnt wish this on anyone.

 

Probably the most shocking moment of most of our lives.

I had a thing about the towers as a kid, well any tall building, empire State, Nat west Tower etc, so when I finally got to NYC in 96 getting to the WTC was one of the first things I did along with the Empire state building.

I will never forget seeing live on TV with my American colleague who we were just about to run over to T4 when the first piucyures came on we all watched stunned as the 2nd plane hit and the towers failing, those poor souls jumping. I have never known an office of 30 loud guys so quiet.

I have been watching a few programmes being shown this week, 102 minutes, loose change 9/11, The conspiracy theories, and have Falling Man yet to watch.

I know so many people have died since as a result of this attack, may families have been ripped apart, that day changed our lives forever one way or another, everything changed.

You could sit through the conspiracy stuff for hours, a lot of it is explained a lot isn't, i'm still on the fence as I cant imagine any human being would want to allow that to happen to any fellow innocent human being, but stranger things have happened...

 

I was in DC...I'll never forget the smell of the Pentagon burning.

 

everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

But posting them on an Internet forum to show yourself up as an insensitive retard just shows how wonderful Scoobynet still is .

Opinions are like ar$eholes - some are bigger than others

 

I would highly recommend you take a few minutes to read this - it is so moving & just a tiny insight into one or two lives ........ Thank you for posting it flightman.

This event didn't just change a few peoples lives - but millions..........

I was off work that day, and saw my neighbour as she returned from work at 5.30pm, although she worked for a UK company here in England, they had an office in one of the towers - they still had 23 people unaccounted for...

The thing that hit me the most though (my daughter was three at the time) was I clearly remember there were several nurseries / kindergartens within Manhattan, and they had children in their care that didn't have parents left to come & get them.......

A terrible terrible day that changed too many lives forever...

 

...and they all stink except mine. Anyhow as insensitive retards go those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

thanks to those who took time to post in this thread

 

Can't help wondering what happened to make you lose your sense of compassion.

Les

 

Before the CIA became the CIA it was called OSS. And, at that time, just after WW2, an obscure "office" of the Govn't of the US.

Bay of Pigs anyone?

 

Ah Leslie, if only I had the strenght, time and determination to bother typing it all out.

 

I watched the events unfold 8 years ago with incredulity, as did many. I felt genuine pity for all those involved, how they suffered, how their families suffered, how it changed the world.

That said, I feel no sympathy for America at all. They brought this situation on themselves by their callous foreign policies and greed.

Also, they perpetrated the greatest terror attack of all time (two in fact) by dropping the A-bombs in August 1945 without warning on purely civilian targets. I feel great pity for those people too. They suffered just as much (in fact more, radiation is an insidious thing). But, I also have no sympathy for the Japanese nation. They brought that disaster on themselves too.

So we have two very simlar situations, two nations that through their extremely poor behaviour, have brought a terrible attack on themselves, yet one of receives all the sympathy you can get, whilst the other is "justified".

If killing thousands of Japanese civilians is seen as justification for saving American lives, then 9/11 is surely justification for "saving" Muslim lives.

Personally, I think neither are, but I do dislike intensely the hypocrisy surrounding the behaviour of Western powers and that of Islamic groups.

Both are utterly abhorrent IMO.

Japan saw the light, as it were, and have integrated into a modern, more co-operative world. Will the USA?

Geezer

 

Yes ok, it was just the thought of people forced to jump out of windows to certain death in a vain attempt to escape, or to avoid being burned to death which got through to me.

Les

 

There are more people in prison in the US than any other country, in the world. They are mostly African Americans.

There at least are 13 million people in America who cannot afford medical insurance.

My point is, Govn'ts don't care. They won't be there for you when you need them, but they will be there, when you don't pay taxes.

 

A terrorist could argue that those people voted for the American government and are therefore in some way responsable for its actions

 

They do indeed. American foriegn policy (Since the OSS which became the CIA). Bay of Pigs anyone?

 

The spectacluar nature of 9/11 and the detailed insights to the lives of those effected mean people generally have strong empthay for those that died or sufered in some way on that day. The trouble is in my opinoin there are too many other serious tradegies out here caused by mankinds inate ability for cruelty to its own as well as natural disasters that many people who look at the bigger picture almost get almost irritated with the monopoly on grief that 9/11 seems to have.

 

I agree that there are many other examples of terrible tragedy that do not get the same 'air time' as 9-11. But it's hard to get away from the simply huge political consequence of that terrorist attack. Prior to that happening we had a (largley) insular Bush regime that was not interested in the outside world, that day changed EVERYTHING!

I'm not for one minute suggesting that the US is completely innocent in all this and that much of what they do does of course provoke the Islamic world, but let's not kid ourselves either that the 'great satan' could do anything without upsetting many parts of Islam.

 

Completey innocent? Since 1945, the US has, by far, been the biggest problem on this planet, the biggest threat to world security. They have interfered and bullied countless other nations, manipulated other nations for their own means, backed hugely unpopular actions by countries which should have been condemned, backed terrorist organisations, revolutions, effectively created Al Qaeda and God knows what else.

I think they they are lucky to only have Al Qaeda giving them grief!

Geezer

 

Be careful matey, you very nearly say that the 9-11 attacks were justified!!

The A-Bomb analogy is interesting, remember America was up to it's neck in a very bloody war with an incredibly determined enemy.

The debate still rages today as to whether more civilian lives would of been lost by invading or use of nuclear weapons. If we look at what happened to civilians in Germany then it would make a good case for what the US did. Let's not kid ourselves into believing that this was some easy call made by heartless terrorists. But broadly I'm with you, had it of been me, I'd never of made such a decision. There were no good options though.

 

Well as I said America isn't completely innocent.

But Anti - Americanism is a fairly easy banner to march behind.

We should also remember some of the good America has done over the past 100 years, most of which gets ignored or forgotten

 

No Martin,
If you read my earler post, you will see that I say I think both of these attacks are unjustified/abhorrent.

However, to 'justify' the a-bomb attacks you must take the allied point of view, i.e. a one-sided view.

If you were part of Al Qaeda, then in your view, your attacks are justified for the same reason. You hope that it will shock the US into stopping backing Israel for instance, thus saving Palestinian (Muslim) lives.

Like I say, sympathy for the victims, not for the nation, for all these things.

The US could easily have demonstrated the power of the boomb without dropping it on Hiroshima, Al Qaeda could have just flown planes into the Pentagon, or an embassy etc.

Both were vile acts. But we agree on that I think anyway!

Geezer

Edited to add:

Yes, America has done lots of great things, but it doesn't excuse their bad behaviour. They could lead the world, not manipulate it.

And, I'm not anti-American, I'm off to Disney next year....

 

I think we do agree on the key points

But one that is for sure is that Osama Bin Laden didn't attack America because of the plight of the Palestinian people, that is a cause only very recently taken up by Al Queda

 

While Osama's motives may have been completely unrelated to anything remotely Humanistic or compassionate I do wonder how much support he would have been able to find without the vast list of horrific crimes committed by the US over the last 50 years. I also have doubts about wether he was really responsable or capable of the 9/11 attacks seems to be too many saudis invloved for that IMO.

 

but Osama comes from a very large, wealthy and influential Saudi family -- so it seems fairly reasonable to expect he could rely on support from fellow Saudi's

I would presume he would use this "A Team" anyway, for the 9/11 attacks, as part of the plan required a certain amount of integration into US lifestyle and customs, something which a Taliban tribesman would not be capable of