BNP to get their say on Question time!
27 October 2009, 04:19 PM
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Hodgy i don't know why you keep banging on about morris dancing as if that's the ultimate funny reposté?
You're obviously not in touch with the sentiment of huge swathes of the British people my friend.
You're obviously not in touch with the sentiment of huge swathes of the British people my friend.
27 October 2009, 05:27 PM
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I'd like to know which aspects of Britishness are most under-threat by immigration.
Is this a perception a reality?
If you go into any high street in the UK you will see more than a little evidence of years and years of cultural integration, assuming you realise that McDonalds and Pizza Hut, Cafe Rouge, Star Bucks ect ect aren't British.
I work in London, and can you you for a fact, the economy of the capital would simply not function if it were not for immigration. London is great example of multiculturalism and integration. Clearly Bradford isn't but lets at least talk about the positives as well as just the negatives.
Why is the sight of a Mosque so distressing to people on here? Nobody is going to force you inside, nobody is going to impose Sharia Law upon you, so what's the problem?
So I ask again what is Britishness, really what does that mean as I considered myself to be a patriotic Brit, proud of what our country is, and can be, not just what is was.
Is this a perception a reality?
If you go into any high street in the UK you will see more than a little evidence of years and years of cultural integration, assuming you realise that McDonalds and Pizza Hut, Cafe Rouge, Star Bucks ect ect aren't British.
I work in London, and can you you for a fact, the economy of the capital would simply not function if it were not for immigration. London is great example of multiculturalism and integration. Clearly Bradford isn't but lets at least talk about the positives as well as just the negatives.
Why is the sight of a Mosque so distressing to people on here? Nobody is going to force you inside, nobody is going to impose Sharia Law upon you, so what's the problem?
So I ask again what is Britishness, really what does that mean as I considered myself to be a patriotic Brit, proud of what our country is, and can be, not just what is was.
27 October 2009, 05:40 PM
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I'd like to know which aspects of Britishness are most under-threat by immigration.
Is this a perception a reality?
If you go into any high street in the UK you will see more than a little evidence of years and years of cultural integration, assuming you realise that McDonalds and Pizza Hut, Cafe Rouge, Star Bucks ect ect aren't British.
I work in London, and can you you for a fact, the economy of the capital would simply not function if it were not for immigration. London is great example of multiculturalism and integration. Clearly Bradford isn't but lets at least talk about the positives as well as just the negatives.
Why is the sight of a Mosque so distressing to people on here? Nobody is going to force you inside, nobody is going to impose Sharia Law upon you, so what's the problem?
So I ask again what is Britishness, really what does that mean as I considered myself to be a patriotic Brit, proud of what our country is, and can be, not just what is was.
Is this a perception a reality?
If you go into any high street in the UK you will see more than a little evidence of years and years of cultural integration, assuming you realise that McDonalds and Pizza Hut, Cafe Rouge, Star Bucks ect ect aren't British.
I work in London, and can you you for a fact, the economy of the capital would simply not function if it were not for immigration. London is great example of multiculturalism and integration. Clearly Bradford isn't but lets at least talk about the positives as well as just the negatives.
Why is the sight of a Mosque so distressing to people on here? Nobody is going to force you inside, nobody is going to impose Sharia Law upon you, so what's the problem?
So I ask again what is Britishness, really what does that mean as I considered myself to be a patriotic Brit, proud of what our country is, and can be, not just what is was.
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27 October 2009, 05:53 PM
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London, Intergrated - really, maybe in some of the nicer parts you frequent pehaps, scratch aty the veneer and take a stroll on some of the sink estates or certain areas, take your nice mobile phone out and wander down the street using it at niight, in the dark you might get to see see some of the SSA gangs, somalian gangs, you name it from third world regions gangs of youths who are intergrated into our society... same values and lack of respect for others, thier property or even their lives...
And you didn't challenge me on the economy of London being reliant upon immigration I note
27 October 2009, 05:59 PM
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I don't disagree there are poorer areas in London, but generally it's a well integrated city. Those area you mention are the exception not the norm despite your rather gloomy portrayal.
And you didn't challenge me on the economy of London being reliant upon immigration I note
And you didn't challenge me on the economy of London being reliant upon immigration I note
About time this was seen as the crime that it is and companies took this seriously. And this immigrant workforce is not (on the whole) being employed by the likes oof Baroness whoever or Lord so an' so. They are being employed and effectily exploited by thier own kind in the communities they live and settle in in catering for example in meat prep and resteraunts for example.
27 October 2009, 06:06 PM
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My local BP is now fully staffed by people from God knows where. It is impossible, and I mean impossible, to understand one word of what any of them say. The pumps weren't working a few days ago. a guy from the shop comes out and talks to me and another fella. " What ?" I ask. He repeats himself. "What are you saying?" I say again. He repeats himself again. I look at the guy at the next pump. "Do you understand what he's saying?" "Not a word of it" he says. We both drive off to Esso. Are you listening BP?
Bus drivers in Guildford are now all foreign. No-one understands a a word they say. Paying for a fare is now a test, akin to 11+. They pull away before people are seated. OAP's flying all over the buses. It's a disgrace.
Local McD's is staffed with Chinese, same issue. You ask for a Big Mac, and get a Chicken burger. It's wrong, wrong I tells ya!
WTF is going on?
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27 October 2009, 06:13 PM
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No, not reliant on it, London or the UK would not fail and cease to exist, it has become used to the immigrant workforce and companies employing said immigrants and not competing fairly with companies that do obey the laws.
About time this was seen as the crime that it is and companies took this seriously. And this immigrant workforce is not (on the whole) being employed by the likes oof Baroness whoever or Lord so an' so. They are being employed and effectily exploited by thier own kind in the communities they live and settle in in catering for example in meat prep and resteraunts for example.
About time this was seen as the crime that it is and companies took this seriously. And this immigrant workforce is not (on the whole) being employed by the likes oof Baroness whoever or Lord so an' so. They are being employed and effectily exploited by thier own kind in the communities they live and settle in in catering for example in meat prep and resteraunts for example.
And another thing you and the rest of the free market right wingers on here.... isn't the Labour market supposed to be a free market too, or is that different?
27 October 2009, 06:16 PM
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When exactly – the 50’s, 60’s
We’ve moved on – immigration has bought huge benefits – along with obvious problems – but rough and smooth and all that
I get the impression that a vast amount of the anti immigration feeling (and thinly veiled racist comments) come from people with deep inferiority problems who need someone to direct their angst at.
You mention Bradford a lot – do you go there, live there? If not why does it bother you so much.
Do you direct as much anger to the hordes of American, French, Swiss and German bankers who own most of Notting Hill Gate, in fact the gardens of W11 reverberate to the sounds of July 4th parties on American Independence day – bit ironic really.
My point is we are not going to stop it (I think it would be terrible if we did – but that irrelevant in a way) we get told so many times we live in a global world - so my attitude in life is “wind your neck in” and get on with it and stop worrying and whinging about everyone else.
27 October 2009, 06:19 PM
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Oh silly me and there was me thinking that Star Bucks, Cafe Nero, McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Wetherspoons........... and all the othe multi-national businesses that employ hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers in London and beyond. These companies are not paying below minimum wage you know, the only reason these jobs are mainly done by immigrants is because they are the only people who'll do the damn jobs in the first place.
And another thing you and the rest of the free market right wingers on here.... isn't the Labour market supposed to be a free market too, or is that different?
And another thing you and the rest of the free market right wingers on here.... isn't the Labour market supposed to be a free market too, or is that different?
27 October 2009, 06:19 PM
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It's reliant on *cheap* labour. This brings us back to the old argument of benefits versus working again. And the benefits culture has to be eradicated at the same time. How about you need to pay your stamp (i.e. work and contribute to the tax system) for several years BEFORE you get any benefits? That would sort out the benefits culture AND stop all the economic migration.
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27 October 2009, 06:23 PM
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Might be getting better but iv cetainly heard evidence that the home office simply cant catch up and cannot corroberate evidence for immigrants legal or illegal
I knew for a fact people come from Africa almost daily on borrowed id ( usaullly dead siblings ) - well someone in the family now has to earn large!
But this is small beer compared to what we let our selves in for as part of the eu and very largley peaceful - they really cannot afford to be sponging / run in with the law
I knew for a fact people come from Africa almost daily on borrowed id ( usaullly dead siblings ) - well someone in the family now has to earn large!
But this is small beer compared to what we let our selves in for as part of the eu and very largley peaceful - they really cannot afford to be sponging / run in with the law
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27 October 2009, 06:39 PM
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Oh silly me and there was me thinking that Star Bucks, Cafe Nero, McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Wetherspoons........... and all the othe multi-national businesses that employ hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers in London and beyond. These companies are not paying below minimum wage you know, the only reason these jobs are mainly done by immigrants is because they are the only people who'll do the damn jobs in the first place.
And another thing you and the rest of the free market right wingers on here.... isn't the Labour market supposed to be a free market too, or is that different?
And another thing you and the rest of the free market right wingers on here.... isn't the Labour market supposed to be a free market too, or is that different?
wake up Martin and smell the starbucks - Been into an ESSO station recently? Franchises Mate!When you have people coming to the UK to work who have much lower expenses and living costs taking jobs from people here who have mortgages, families, schools/clubs, childcare to pay just to go to work - hardly fair is it and making more problems - what do you suggest more UK workers on the dole so more immigrants can work - far sighted plan
it needs to be fair which in some cases it is just not. as for this country having the worse social care in Europe - you keep saying this, please, please back this up - prove it. We will provide free doctors, dental, medical care - NHS, free schooling and free school meals, benefits, and in some cases accommodation, food & clothing vouchers. worst in Europe - please prove this...
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27 October 2009, 06:49 PM
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McDonalds, Pizzahut, Starbucks - franchises, and i supposed all owned by da man, 'Whitie' wake up Martin and smell the starbucks - Been into an esso station recently? Franchises Mate!
When you have people coming to the UK to work who have much lower expenses and living costs taking jobs from people here who have mortgages, families, schools/clubs, childcare to pay just to go to work - hardly fair is it and making more problems - what do you suggest more UK workers on the dole so more immigrants can work - far sighted plan it needs to be fair which in some cases it is just not.
as for this country having the worse social care in Europe - you keep saying this, please, please back this up - prove it. We will provide free doctors, dental, medical care - NHS, free schooling and free school meals, benefits, and in some cases accommodation. worse in Europe - please prove this...
wake up Martin and smell the starbucks - Been into an esso station recently? Franchises Mate!When you have people coming to the UK to work who have much lower expenses and living costs taking jobs from people here who have mortgages, families, schools/clubs, childcare to pay just to go to work - hardly fair is it and making more problems - what do you suggest more UK workers on the dole so more immigrants can work - far sighted plan
it needs to be fair which in some cases it is just not. as for this country having the worse social care in Europe - you keep saying this, please, please back this up - prove it. We will provide free doctors, dental, medical care - NHS, free schooling and free school meals, benefits, and in some cases accommodation. worse in Europe - please prove this...
What you describe in the operation of a free market, maybe the consequences aren't always that palatable, but I'm still to hear of a viable alternatative.
I didn't mention social care, you did. I said benefits system. And how much of the social care you mentioned is a 'fresh off the boat' immigrant actually entitled to anyway?
27 October 2009, 06:53 PM
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Oh and they want to work so badly do they, well they are coming to the wrong place then with our unemployment issues where hard working Brits can't even get a job in a supermarket due to the recession.The illegals are desperate to get here because of the free money and council housing they think they will be entitled to if they get in and successfully claim asylum.
The recent bulldozing of 'The Jungle' and detainment of the illegals in it saw grown men balling their eyes out because they thought their chance of getting to the UK was over. What do you think they were crying over? It certainly wasn't wanting to work in McDonalds.
Why is it that all these immigrants aren't going to other European countries if our benefit system is the worst? Why is it asylum seekers don't stop at these other European countries and head straight for the UK?
It's because Martin the UK has become a soft touch and the no1 place to head for. France/Spain/Italy/Germany aren't on their destination list for a reason.
27 October 2009, 06:59 PM
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LOL!
Are you on drugs, of course the rules get bent, you yourself sited these companies as culprits. I pointed out they are franchised and some might not be owned by right-wing fascist whites and then you suddenly say it does not go on because they would loose the franchise - Come, one or the other Martin but it cannot be both can it
You mention worse benefits system, surely this includes social care, housing, schools, meals and medical to name a few this all goes hand in hand or have i completely got it wrong???
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Once more you conflate immigration and the benefits system, they are 2 quite different issues. And it has been stated many times on here, we have the worst benefits system in Europe so hardly the biggest attraction into our country, unless you have some facts that actually show that immigrants are coming here for benefits rather than employment?
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OK, well let a majority of jobs held by working and middle classes in the UK be replaced by immirgants from all over the world who can do it for less - so what will happen, lot of people loosing houses, not able to pay bills, loans, etc having repossessions and on the dole. this sounds like a recipie for a harmonious and happy ongoing UK without any more social problems.
Oh and with all these imigrants sending back (home) large amounts of their salaries (not talking aboiut tax or ni) and not ploughing at lease some of itback into the communities the communities suffer even more.
Good, far shighted and well thought out!
Oh and with all these imigrants sending back (home) large amounts of their salaries (not talking aboiut tax or ni) and not ploughing at lease some of itback into the communities the communities suffer even more.
Good, far shighted and well thought out!
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LOL!
Are you on drugs, of course the rules get bent, you yourself sited these companies as culprits. I pointed out they are franchised and some might not be owned by right-wing fascist whites and then you suddenly say it does not go on because they would loose the franchise - Come, one or the other Martin but it cannot be both can it
You mention worse benefits system, surely this includes social care, housing, schools, meals and medical to name a few this all goes hand in hand or have i completely got it wrong???
Are you on drugs, of course the rules get bent, you yourself sited these companies as culprits. I pointed out they are franchised and some might not be owned by right-wing fascist whites and then you suddenly say it does not go on because they would loose the franchise - Come, one or the other Martin but it cannot be both can it
You mention worse benefits system, surely this includes social care, housing, schools, meals and medical to name a few this all goes hand in hand or have i completely got it wrong???
You guys also need to make your mind up, are the immigrants all nicking the jobs, or are they all claiming benefits. They seem to attract equal criticism either way, which is confusing.
For the low paid stuff, cleaning, catering etc the simple truth is that the indigenous population just doesn't want to do these kinds of low paid jobs. That's been the case for decades, its nothing new.. There is the arguement by some that the immigrants have lower costs and so can do jobs for less money. I would suggest their costs are lower because they don't spend all their money on alcohol, ****, lottery tickets and feeding their dogs.
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Paul, you have got your facts very mixed up. Pizza Hut, Starbucks, Cafe Nero are NOT franchises.
You guys also need to make your mind up, are the immigrants all nicking the jobs, or are they all claiming benefits. They seem to attract equal criticism either way, which is confusing.
For the low paid stuff, cleaning, catering etc the simple truth is that the indigenous population just doesn't want to do these kinds of low paid jobs. That's been the case for decades, its nothing new.. There is the arguement by some that the immigrants have lower costs and so can do jobs for less money. I would suggest their costs are lower because they don't spend all their money on alcohol, ****, lottery tickets and feeding their dogs.
You guys also need to make your mind up, are the immigrants all nicking the jobs, or are they all claiming benefits. They seem to attract equal criticism either way, which is confusing.
For the low paid stuff, cleaning, catering etc the simple truth is that the indigenous population just doesn't want to do these kinds of low paid jobs. That's been the case for decades, its nothing new.. There is the arguement by some that the immigrants have lower costs and so can do jobs for less money. I would suggest their costs are lower because they don't spend all their money on alcohol, ****, lottery tickets and feeding their dogs.
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Bung in KFC as well, i am sure Martin will not mind
You are really generalising, i know and have met plenty of people erning min wages or just above it survive and keep their head above water for them and their families. Not all middle class or working class smoke, play the lottery or drink themselves stupid all the time. Bit like claiming all Asians run shops really
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27 October 2009, 08:39 PM
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Absolute tosh, in fact some of the biggest tosh i've read on here. Please explain if the benefit system is so poor why do we have such an issue with all the illegals on the French coast doing their utmost to get here? You telling me it's so they can work in McDonalds? Oh and they want to work so badly do they, well they are coming to the wrong place then with our unemployment issues where hard working Brits can't even get a job in a supermarket due to the recession.
The illegals are desperate to get here because of the free money and council housing they think they will be entitled to if they get in and successfully claim asylum.
The recent bulldozing of 'The Jungle' and detainment of the illegals in it saw grown men balling their eyes out because they thought their chance of getting to the UK was over. What do you think they were crying over? It certainly wasn't wanting to work in McDonalds.
Why is it that all these immigrants aren't going to other European countries if our benefit system is the worst? Why is it asylum seekers don't stop at these other European countries and head straight for the UK?
It's because Martin the UK has become a soft touch and the no1 place to head for. France/Spain/Italy/Germany aren't on their destination list for a reason.
Oh and they want to work so badly do they, well they are coming to the wrong place then with our unemployment issues where hard working Brits can't even get a job in a supermarket due to the recession.The illegals are desperate to get here because of the free money and council housing they think they will be entitled to if they get in and successfully claim asylum.
The recent bulldozing of 'The Jungle' and detainment of the illegals in it saw grown men balling their eyes out because they thought their chance of getting to the UK was over. What do you think they were crying over? It certainly wasn't wanting to work in McDonalds.
Why is it that all these immigrants aren't going to other European countries if our benefit system is the worst? Why is it asylum seekers don't stop at these other European countries and head straight for the UK?
It's because Martin the UK has become a soft touch and the no1 place to head for. France/Spain/Italy/Germany aren't on their destination list for a reason.
So if you're going to call my post tosh you might at least come up with some actual evidence rather than the usual right wing anti-everything BS that regularly gets regurgitated on here
27 October 2009, 08:42 PM
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I work in an industry that includes large amount of outsourced lower paid labour.
I thought we all wanted to live in a grown up meritocracy -- if you are good enough and work hard then you will succeed no matter what – that’s what I instil into my children
not Daily Mail scare stories about immigrants taking all the jobs at the same time as sponging off the state – so we better kick them all out, so that you “British” kids can get a Job --- mmmm we’ve moved on I’m afraid
I didn’t believe all the stories about the EU banning the pint and getting us to drink out of litre glasses
I didn’t believe all the stories about the EU banning curved bananas and British chocolate
I don’t believe all the scare stories about us turning into an Islamic state, together with the assertion that all the problems in UK plc are caused by a few people clinging to the underside of Euro Star.
But if you do – then you are living in a very frightening world!!
Bottom line is if you aren’t doing as well as you think you should, well you should have studied harder at school – life’s tough
I thought we all wanted to live in a grown up meritocracy -- if you are good enough and work hard then you will succeed no matter what – that’s what I instil into my children
not Daily Mail scare stories about immigrants taking all the jobs at the same time as sponging off the state – so we better kick them all out, so that you “British” kids can get a Job --- mmmm we’ve moved on I’m afraid
I didn’t believe all the stories about the EU banning the pint and getting us to drink out of litre glasses
I didn’t believe all the stories about the EU banning curved bananas and British chocolate
I don’t believe all the scare stories about us turning into an Islamic state, together with the assertion that all the problems in UK plc are caused by a few people clinging to the underside of Euro Star.
But if you do – then you are living in a very frightening world!!
Bottom line is if you aren’t doing as well as you think you should, well you should have studied harder at school – life’s tough
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You are mistaking a free and open labour market with a free and open benefits system
So if you're going to call my post tosh you might at least come up with some actual evidence rather than the usual right wing anti-everything BS that regularly gets regurgitated on here
So if you're going to call my post tosh you might at least come up with some actual evidence rather than the usual right wing anti-everything BS that regularly gets regurgitated on here
No whitty or deflective response about my franchise reply about having it both ways either, you making up as you go along, very Daily Mail.
I will have to get one of the mods, say KoT to ban you at this rate
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27 October 2009, 08:56 PM
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You might want to come back with some evidence of these claims that the social system in the UK is the worse in Europe, you have said it a few times, ashed for proof and nothing is offered to bhack this bold statement up.
No whitty or deflective response about my franchise reply about having it both ways either, you making up as you go along, very Daily Mail.
I will have to get one of the mods, say KoT to ban you at this rate
No whitty or deflective response about my franchise reply about having it both ways either, you making up as you go along, very Daily Mail.
I will have to get one of the mods, say KoT to ban you at this rate
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You might want to come back with some evidence of these claims that the social system in the UK is the worse in Europe, you have said it a few times, ashed for proof and nothing is offered to bhack this bold statement up.
No whitty or deflective response about my franchise reply about having it both ways either, you making up as you go along, very Daily Mail.
I will have to get one of the mods, say KoT to ban you at this rate
No whitty or deflective response about my franchise reply about having it both ways either, you making up as you go along, very Daily Mail.
I will have to get one of the mods, say KoT to ban you at this rate
