Help !!! Killed the Scoob !
03 August 2009, 10:49 PM
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04 August 2009, 09:45 PM
#92
I can email you some pictures when you are back off your hols.
I don't think it is that serious, just annoyed that they took £780 off me to fit the engine 'properly' ! (obviously some new definition of properly which equates to break your cam pulleys and connect some hoses to whatever is nearest !)
I don't think it is that serious, just annoyed that they took £780 off me to fit the engine 'properly' ! (obviously some new definition of properly which equates to break your cam pulleys and connect some hoses to whatever is nearest !)
07 August 2009, 10:10 PM
#93
The next installment !
Took the car back today for them to sort a fluid leak, told me it was from the oil cooler and now sorted.
Got 100 yards down the road and loads of blue smoke from the exhaust, turned round and straight back to them.
Left it with them for a couple of hours, changed the oil, less smoke now and not all the time ?
No strange noises from the engine, could it be that the second hand VF35 I bought off here is knackered ?
Took the car back today for them to sort a fluid leak, told me it was from the oil cooler and now sorted.
Got 100 yards down the road and loads of blue smoke from the exhaust, turned round and straight back to them.
Left it with them for a couple of hours, changed the oil, less smoke now and not all the time ?
No strange noises from the engine, could it be that the second hand VF35 I bought off here is knackered ?
08 August 2009, 10:12 PM
#95
It was coming out of the exhaust in huge clouds !
Driven to work today with no obvious smoke, changed the oil (again) for my usual Millers 10/60 fully synthetic.
Got home and literally 30 seconds after I parked on the drive there was a massive cloud of steam and hissing noise from under the bonnet !
Had a look and there was water coming out of a split in the cooling pipe to turbo.
Left it a couple of hours to cool and investigated further, the engine fitters strike again !
The pipe they had fitted was literally like a piece of garden hose, the wall thickness was 1mm with no reinforcement at all, astonishing that it even lasted as long as it did !
Driven to work today with no obvious smoke, changed the oil (again) for my usual Millers 10/60 fully synthetic.
Got home and literally 30 seconds after I parked on the drive there was a massive cloud of steam and hissing noise from under the bonnet !
Had a look and there was water coming out of a split in the cooling pipe to turbo.
Left it a couple of hours to cool and investigated further, the engine fitters strike again !
The pipe they had fitted was literally like a piece of garden hose, the wall thickness was 1mm with no reinforcement at all, astonishing that it even lasted as long as it did !
08 August 2009, 10:49 PM
#97
I rebuilt mine with my mate the parts cost me just under £1000 and 2 days from start to finish. I have done 4000 miles no problems so far.I was quoted £2500 just to supply a bottom end. Goodluck with what you decide to do.
09 August 2009, 11:41 AM
#98
Hi Simon, they are just up the road from work so makes life easier. Especially when they have already had £780 of my money to do the job properly !
The problem has been all along that the guy who does all the Subaru jobs got a last minute cheap holiday to Egypt when my car was booked in.
This meant that the two young lads who work there ended up with the job, they try their best but maybe lack experience ?
You should see the state of the threatening letter I have had from the engine supplier. I have asked to keep my old engine as a goodwill gesture (due to their engine not being what was advertised)
The letter is like one of those scam emails from Nigeria, total strangers to the Queens English !
The problem has been all along that the guy who does all the Subaru jobs got a last minute cheap holiday to Egypt when my car was booked in.
This meant that the two young lads who work there ended up with the job, they try their best but maybe lack experience ?
You should see the state of the threatening letter I have had from the engine supplier. I have asked to keep my old engine as a goodwill gesture (due to their engine not being what was advertised)
The letter is like one of those scam emails from Nigeria, total strangers to the Queens English !
09 August 2009, 12:08 PM
#99
It seems like you've actually just been very unluckly with timing, what with the main man going on hols, etc.
But - and I hope I don't come across as a stuck record
- when it comes to Subaru rebuilds (or for any other proper performnace car) it really is the correct thing to do to use the highly regarded specialists on here e.g. Zen, API, Enginetuner, etc, etc... (lots more too).
You simply wouldn't have these after-job hassles (unless extremely unlucky) - motor'd be competently rebuilt / competently fitted / competently mapped / competently DONE!
I know this is all unwanted "after the horse has bolted"-based info as such... but well worth heeding in future (although hopefully it's advice that won't be needed... ever again! 
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Good luck though for when you eventually get it all sorted and trouble-free...
But - and I hope I don't come across as a stuck record
- when it comes to Subaru rebuilds (or for any other proper performnace car) it really is the correct thing to do to use the highly regarded specialists on here e.g. Zen, API, Enginetuner, etc, etc... (lots more too).You simply wouldn't have these after-job hassles (unless extremely unlucky) - motor'd be competently rebuilt / competently fitted / competently mapped / competently DONE!
I know this is all unwanted "after the horse has bolted"-based info as such
... but well worth heeding in future (although hopefully it's advice that won't be needed... ever again! )Good luck though for when you eventually get it all sorted and trouble-free...
09 August 2009, 12:22 PM
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Should ask the garage what there playing at,
Young or not they should know that the pipe by the turbo gets hotter than anywhere else, therfore installing a decent water pipe.
If you haden't of noticed this had split, then you could of possibley been looking at a new headgasket now as well.
Young or not they should know that the pipe by the turbo gets hotter than anywhere else, therfore installing a decent water pipe.
If you haden't of noticed this had split, then you could of possibley been looking at a new headgasket now as well.
09 August 2009, 11:03 PM
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I intend to march in there tomorrow with the offending piece of pipe !
I spent most of today trying to sort out an airlock in the cooling sytem after replacing the water it lost , managed to sort it now I think (well the heater gets hot now !)
The one thing that is still annoying me about the engine fitting is the fact that they broke the plastic cam pulleys whilst trying to remove them, cost me £330 to replace.
Is this a usual occurence (ie 50% risk that they break) ? or just down to 'bull in a china shop' approach ?
I spent most of today trying to sort out an airlock in the cooling sytem after replacing the water it lost , managed to sort it now I think (well the heater gets hot now !)
The one thing that is still annoying me about the engine fitting is the fact that they broke the plastic cam pulleys whilst trying to remove them, cost me £330 to replace.
Is this a usual occurence (ie 50% risk that they break) ? or just down to 'bull in a china shop' approach ?
09 August 2009, 11:35 PM
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I intend to march in there tomorrow with the offending piece of pipe !
I spent most of today trying to sort out an airlock in the cooling sytem after replacing the water it lost , managed to sort it now I think (well the heater gets hot now !)
The one thing that is still annoying me about the engine fitting is the fact that they broke the plastic cam pulleys whilst trying to remove them, cost me £330 to replace.
Is this a usual occurence (ie 50% risk that they break) ? or just down to 'bull in a china shop' approach ?
I spent most of today trying to sort out an airlock in the cooling sytem after replacing the water it lost , managed to sort it now I think (well the heater gets hot now !)
The one thing that is still annoying me about the engine fitting is the fact that they broke the plastic cam pulleys whilst trying to remove them, cost me £330 to replace.
Is this a usual occurence (ie 50% risk that they break) ? or just down to 'bull in a china shop' approach ?
Ive never broken any in my time, and neither should they. They should at least be footing the bill if they have broken them.
10 August 2009, 10:01 PM
#103
That's what I figured !
Went in today with the knackered pipe, they examined it and agreed not the stuff for the job but then was told 'we didn't supply that we don't have any pipe like that, it must have been on your old turbo'
When I pointed out that the car had been running fine since I bought it nearly two years ago and that the crap pipe was certainly not on my car when it came in, they went quite.
At this stage I asked 'even if it was on my old turbo, you have just said it's not suitable for the job so why would you re-use it when you fitted the new turbo ?'
You could almost see the cogs whirring as they tried to wrap themselves around this almost unfathomable logic problem !
No result but made me feel better !
Went in today with the knackered pipe, they examined it and agreed not the stuff for the job but then was told 'we didn't supply that we don't have any pipe like that, it must have been on your old turbo'
When I pointed out that the car had been running fine since I bought it nearly two years ago and that the crap pipe was certainly not on my car when it came in, they went quite.
At this stage I asked 'even if it was on my old turbo, you have just said it's not suitable for the job so why would you re-use it when you fitted the new turbo ?'
You could almost see the cogs whirring as they tried to wrap themselves around this almost unfathomable logic problem !
No result but made me feel better !
12 August 2009, 09:12 PM
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The vac/breather pipe cockup wasn't an attempt at a vent to atmos mod was it..? However I doubt it given it sounds like they don't know their proverbial **** from their elbow..?
It's rapidly turning into a real nightmare, how much has it cost you so far..?
It's rapidly turning into a real nightmare, how much has it cost you so far..?
12 August 2009, 09:46 PM
#108
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................?
Long motor £1280 inc delivery, cam pulleys and crank pulley (damaged teeth) £400, fitting £780, running in re-map £500, 10 litres of oil £55, assorted hoses and jubilee clips £15, 15 hrs+ of my time ?
Subaru ownership......................priceless.
Memo to self, for f**** sake buy a f****** Evo !
Long motor £1280 inc delivery, cam pulleys and crank pulley (damaged teeth) £400, fitting £780, running in re-map £500, 10 litres of oil £55, assorted hoses and jubilee clips £15, 15 hrs+ of my time ?
Subaru ownership......................priceless.
Memo to self, for f**** sake buy a f****** Evo !
13 August 2009, 10:25 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................?
Long motor £1280 inc delivery, cam pulleys and crank pulley (damaged teeth) £400, fitting £780, running in re-map £500, 10 litres of oil £55, assorted hoses and jubilee clips £15, 15 hrs+ of my time ?
Subaru ownership......................priceless.
Memo to self, for f**** sake buy a f****** Evo !
Long motor £1280 inc delivery, cam pulleys and crank pulley (damaged teeth) £400, fitting £780, running in re-map £500, 10 litres of oil £55, assorted hoses and jubilee clips £15, 15 hrs+ of my time ?
Subaru ownership......................priceless.
Memo to self, for f**** sake buy a f****** Evo !
Hindsight's a wonderful thing, but don't you wish you'd have just had a rebuild from the likes of API, ZEN, SC etc as many on here said to do and for similar money..?
Hopefully things will turn out for the best, but trying to go down the 'cheap' clearly hasn't worked and it's no wonder your unhappy with your subaru.
Lol, and don't kid yourself that EVO owner ship is any easier/cheaper..
Do you think an EVO engine would have survived running for several miles with no oil in it..? How did that happen BTW, when was the last service/oil level checked..?
Not being funny, but this happens time and time again and it's helpful for others in a similar situation (ie engine just let go) to realise and accept the gamble of doing it on the cheap. After all, given the chance again which way would you now go..?
13 August 2009, 08:56 PM
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I can't say for certain it was running with no oil, was fine when checked a couple of weeks before.
It took 2-2.5 litres to get it back to the top mark on the dipstick when it started knocking, I don't know how much got 'fried' by the surface temperatures in the engine !
When I removed the oil filler cap what came out was vapour not smoke !
Just like the blue mist you get from the wok when doing a stir fry !
From what I hear, Evo engines are more robust and will handle more power before you need to replace engine internals.
You see a lot of them running 350-400 bhp and don't seem to hear of many problems.
Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, if the replacement engine had been as described, if the garage had stuck to their original quote, all what ifs. Just got to play through and see how it goes !
It took 2-2.5 litres to get it back to the top mark on the dipstick when it started knocking, I don't know how much got 'fried' by the surface temperatures in the engine !
When I removed the oil filler cap what came out was vapour not smoke !
Just like the blue mist you get from the wok when doing a stir fry !
From what I hear, Evo engines are more robust and will handle more power before you need to replace engine internals.
You see a lot of them running 350-400 bhp and don't seem to hear of many problems.
Hindsight is a wonderfull thing, if the replacement engine had been as described, if the garage had stuck to their original quote, all what ifs. Just got to play through and see how it goes !
13 August 2009, 09:33 PM
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FYI, the average EVO cost £4-5K more than an STI at the time.... and boy can they take it, my pal has just spent less than you on a 2.3 upgrade, and at 1.5 bar it's making 450 bhp.....
Jealous, me too !
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Jealous, me too !
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15 August 2009, 06:33 PM
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I think reason you hear alot less evo failers, is one, there are less of them than scoobs.
So less are gonna go wrong, scoob are cheaper, so you get alot of people buy them, that don't really know alot about cars. Put loads of mods on it and bang.
Also have garage said they gonna pay for damage they did to the cam wheels yet?
So less are gonna go wrong, scoob are cheaper, so you get alot of people buy them, that don't really know alot about cars. Put loads of mods on it and bang.
Also have garage said they gonna pay for damage they did to the cam wheels yet?
16 August 2009, 08:24 PM
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Todays update, steering felt lousy so checked the power steering fluid. The level was below minimum.
I guess they clamped the pipes when removing the old engine and lost some of the fluid, checking and re-filling must have been missed !
All together now....................'always look on the bright side of life........'
I guess they clamped the pipes when removing the old engine and lost some of the fluid, checking and re-filling must have been missed !
All together now....................'always look on the bright side of life........'
16 August 2009, 08:39 PM
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Tomorrows fault arrived early, decided to refit the standard airbox with 'green' filter instead of the 'Powertec' induction kit.
The bracket for the cone was missing and when I removed the filter they had somehow managed to crush the stainless steel filter neck into a 'v' shape !
It was probably only allowing 2/3 of the air through !
The bracket for the cone was missing and when I removed the filter they had somehow managed to crush the stainless steel filter neck into a 'v' shape !
It was probably only allowing 2/3 of the air through !
16 August 2009, 08:49 PM
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Learn from mistakes tbh, i have had to 
Lucky i can do all my scoob stuff my self.
Still had my own probs with scoob, first engine bottom end went, then i had a headgasket go, then cam belt slipped, lucky i bent no valves and everything still worked
But as i said did all work my self so kept costs down. Would only trust somone who knows what they are doing with the scoob.
But, aside all your misfortune, you happy with the car and it's map?
Lucky i can do all my scoob stuff my self.
Still had my own probs with scoob, first engine bottom end went, then i had a headgasket go, then cam belt slipped, lucky i bent no valves and everything still worked
But as i said did all work my self so kept costs down. Would only trust somone who knows what they are doing with the scoob.But, aside all your misfortune, you happy with the car and it's map?