And you all thought it didn't need 4WD?
19 May 2009, 11:58 PM
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YouTube - Impreza Sti 1/4 mile
I filmed this guy doing the quarter mile quicker than that with less that 350bhp. That's with 4wd.
I filmed this guy doing the quarter mile quicker than that with less that 350bhp. That's with 4wd.
350hp in a gti ed30 or cupra can give times as good as 12.6 @ 115.8mph. Trouble we have is getting off the line quickly, its our high terminal speeds which show the true story of how quick the cars are when rolling.
Im confused now though.
One says the scoob engine is reliable, and another says it isnt. Think I need to get more opinions!
20 May 2009, 12:22 AM
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Was only giving average times.
350hp in a gti ed30 or cupra can give times as good as 12.6 @ 115.8mph. Trouble we have is getting off the line quickly, its our high terminal speeds which show the true story of how quick the cars are when rolling.
Im confused now though.
One says the scoob engine is reliable, and another says it isnt. Think I need to get more opinions!
350hp in a gti ed30 or cupra can give times as good as 12.6 @ 115.8mph. Trouble we have is getting off the line quickly, its our high terminal speeds which show the true story of how quick the cars are when rolling.
Im confused now though.
One says the scoob engine is reliable, and another says it isnt. Think I need to get more opinions!
I've heard of countless WRX's bottom end going, gearboxes are the same abuse them especially if its been tuned and they'll let go.
STi's on the other hand tend to be fairly bulletproof, know loads that have been modded up to 350 ish and no problems at all both with engine and gearbox.
No car is 100% reliable especially when you start seriosuly modding them, i hear the 1.8T vag unit has had its faier share of piston problems whem mapped, i might be wrong though.
20 May 2009, 07:44 AM
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Thing is though, I've onwed 3 Scoobs personally (James hasn't he's a gheyer
). The Sport I had wasn't powerful enough to explode, the wrx that replaced it was one of the dogs I mentioned. But the 3rd Scoob, a well kept 99UK classic served me well for 18 months hassle free. No engine issues, just a dead gearbox.James drives an Alfa and I drive a 205 currently, so you can see how ironic us 2 bitchin' about reliability for a car we don't drive is
Suppose most of it depends on how modified the engine is with regards to other mods. Like can the block, pistons, conrods etc, take the power given by the other mods etc. Hense why STi's compared to WRX's seem bullet proof, stronger internals etc to start with so more compatibility with supporting mods.
The killer is fueling. All pre 2001 WRX/STi models were private/grey imports, and Japan seems to have better fuel than us. So bring over an import, some ***** runs it on UK fuel, engine goes bang due to det, Subaru engines get a bad name. Merry-go-round until other groups (such as yourself Pok, or James) automatically think of unreliability when Subaru is concerned.
HTH,
20 May 2009, 10:50 AM
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I know of a few only mildly tuned scoobs that needed engine replacements, mine which was only around 270bhp was having engine issues too so I got rid! Great car, but engines not as reliable as people think IMHO.
20 May 2009, 11:08 AM
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If my cupra had 4wd it would be slower. And if cupras had 4wd then the stage 2 cupras wldnt be doing 1/4miles in 12.8secs with only 360hp.
4wd has its benefits, but so has fwd. Apples and oranges, personally I love the fact that a stage 2 cupra will embarrass much more expensive kit on the road from rolling starts such as the audi r8 v8.
4wd has its benefits, but so has fwd. Apples and oranges, personally I love the fact that a stage 2 cupra will embarrass much more expensive kit on the road from rolling starts such as the audi r8 v8.
4WD Cupra never came to the UK but does exist BTW - well, gimmicky haldex anyway.
I'm telling you, that Focus would be alive and well if all the wheels were driven.
20 May 2009, 11:50 AM
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If my cupra had 4wd it would be slower. And if cupras had 4wd then the stage 2 cupras wldnt be doing 1/4miles in 12.8secs with only 360hp.
4wd has its benefits, but so has fwd. Apples and oranges, personally I love the fact that a stage 2 cupra will embarrass much more expensive kit on the road from rolling starts such as the audi r8 v8.
4wd has its benefits, but so has fwd. Apples and oranges, personally I love the fact that a stage 2 cupra will embarrass much more expensive kit on the road from rolling starts such as the audi r8 v8.
What if the R8 had been fitted with a Supercharger? Would you beat it then?
20 May 2009, 12:03 PM
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20 May 2009, 05:28 PM
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2nd point being is that the if the focus rs had 4wd it would only be a slower car.
A new audi s3 runs the same engine as the cupra bar the intercooler and standard map. Remap them both to 310hp and the cupra is the quicker car, less transmission losses, less weight to carry.
Never been on ocuk. Not sure what that is.
So the wrx is not so good if someone starts messing with it, as it wasnt designed to be fettled, making the sti the one to go for if you wanna modify and sustain reliability.
Common 1.8T faults are the coil packs and pistons on certain engine code 1.8T's but they are pretty much bullet proof at 300hp.
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20 May 2009, 06:39 PM
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I had a UK Turbo tuned to roughly 270bhp. The engine was used like a race engine, and never gave me one bit of bother in 15000 miles - When I sold it, it had 75000 miles on the clock.
With regards to the runs at Bruntingthorpe: Classic Impreza scoops don't really seem to flow above 100mph, so that is definetly a fault, making high speed runs a bad idea. This would be the most likely cause of engine failure in that scenario.
They are brilliant engines, and if tuned properly, should be almost bulletproof compared to similar performance cars.
CoB made a good point about the imports. If you imported a WRX and ran it on UK fuel without any kind of mapping, you'd be asking for trouble.
With regards to the runs at Bruntingthorpe: Classic Impreza scoops don't really seem to flow above 100mph, so that is definetly a fault, making high speed runs a bad idea. This would be the most likely cause of engine failure in that scenario.
They are brilliant engines, and if tuned properly, should be almost bulletproof compared to similar performance cars.
CoB made a good point about the imports. If you imported a WRX and ran it on UK fuel without any kind of mapping, you'd be asking for trouble.
20 May 2009, 10:44 PM
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sorta missing the point there, tuned fwd hatch that people would dismiss as being fastish but not really fast, can be made to be faster than a audi r8 for 2 grands worth of mods. Thats all, obviiously no one in their right mind though would take the cupra over the r8, but untill I have R8 money I will have fun watching r8, 911 carrera and especially 400hp evo drivers etc drivers look of confusion as I either keep up or go past.
2nd point being is that the if the focus rs had 4wd it would only be a slower car.
A new audi s3 runs the same engine as the cupra bar the intercooler and standard map. Remap them both to 310hp and the cupra is the quicker car, less transmission losses, less weight to carry.
Never been on ocuk. Not sure what that is.
So the wrx is not so good if someone starts messing with it, as it wasnt designed to be fettled, making the sti the one to go for if you wanna modify and sustain reliability.
Common 1.8T faults are the coil packs and pistons on certain engine code 1.8T's but they are pretty much bullet proof at 300hp.
2nd point being is that the if the focus rs had 4wd it would only be a slower car.
A new audi s3 runs the same engine as the cupra bar the intercooler and standard map. Remap them both to 310hp and the cupra is the quicker car, less transmission losses, less weight to carry.
Never been on ocuk. Not sure what that is.
So the wrx is not so good if someone starts messing with it, as it wasnt designed to be fettled, making the sti the one to go for if you wanna modify and sustain reliability.
Common 1.8T faults are the coil packs and pistons on certain engine code 1.8T's but they are pretty much bullet proof at 300hp.
Scoobs aren't about top speed or straight line drag. Yeah they be fast, but they're for the twisties and the fun stuff. A 350bhp Cupra will sure move in a straight line, but I doubt it would be much fun in said twisties or corners. This was why I said horses for courses, and you seem to dismiss this, as above, by emphasising just straight line.
Do you think your Cupra would pass an Evo/Scoob/R8/911 in the corners? I somehow think not. In a straight line I would assume the above drivers would know this and not let it bother them.
No disrespect intended by the way, genuine post
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21 May 2009, 01:34 AM
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Scoobs are a point to point sprint car they are not built for top speed runs (as i found out 'ahem') they are not the fastest once rolling or have the handling finesses of say a Lotus Elise or a VX220 but what they do have is decent acceleration, oustanding allweather grip and midrange grunt along with practicality and the ability to make even a numpty like me feel like the Stig couple this with bags of character and this is why people fall in love with the whole Scooby experience.
Its not a pretty car by any stretch but it has something that just gets under your skin. There is not one day i dont miss mine now it has gone, although i was unlucky and mine financially crippled me do i regret owning it?
Not for one minute!
Its not a pretty car by any stretch but it has something that just gets under your skin. There is not one day i dont miss mine now it has gone, although i was unlucky and mine financially crippled me do i regret owning it?
Not for one minute!
21 May 2009, 08:29 AM
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Some good points, but you seem to emphasis on straight line speed fella, and I mentioned this in a previous reply to your goodself.
Scoobs aren't about top speed or straight line drag. Yeah they be fast, but they're for the twisties and the fun stuff. A 350bhp Cupra will sure move in a straight line, but I doubt it would be much fun in said twisties or corners. This was why I said horses for courses, and you seem to dismiss this, as above, by emphasising just straight line.
Scoobs aren't about top speed or straight line drag. Yeah they be fast, but they're for the twisties and the fun stuff. A 350bhp Cupra will sure move in a straight line, but I doubt it would be much fun in said twisties or corners. This was why I said horses for courses, and you seem to dismiss this, as above, by emphasising just straight line.
I'll say to the Cupra fanboi what I say to the derv-drivers: If you want to get in pissing contests in the realm of straight-line rolling races down the autobahn (officer), you better come a lot better equipped than you are. It's a place for the big boys, and boasting about 12s 1/4 mile times ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid.
21 May 2009, 02:50 PM
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sorta missing the point there, tuned fwd hatch that people would dismiss as being fastish but not really fast, can be made to be faster than a audi r8 for 2 grands worth of mods. Thats all, obviiously no one in their right mind though would take the cupra over the r8, but untill I have R8 money I will have fun watching r8, 911 carrera and especially 400hp evo drivers etc drivers look of confusion as I either keep up or go past.
A new audi s3 runs the same engine as the cupra bar the intercooler and standard map. Remap them both to 310hp and the cupra is the quicker car, less transmission losses, less weight to carry.
A new audi s3 runs the same engine as the cupra bar the intercooler and standard map. Remap them both to 310hp and the cupra is the quicker car, less transmission losses, less weight to carry.
£2k worth of mods, remap, fuel pump, exhaust and IC will see a Cupra upto around 330/340bhp but even still the R8 would rip it to shreds 0-60 and 100-160 and beyond. 911 pretty much the same. You may i suppose keep pace mid range 50-100.
Have to say though, im a straight line fan too. I really cannot remember the last time i seen a bend in a road. 30000 miles per year and i would have to say 29,995 of them are on Motorway/A road/Town driving.
Even if i were to live in the country and have a car capable of going round a blind bend at 120mph with exceptional handling and grip, there's not a hope in hell i'd be driving like that on a narrow country road anyway. Far safer to use speed in a straight lines than to hurtle around blind bends at 100+
Never really seen the need for cars that go round bends at the speed of light unless you are a race track enthusiast if im being honest.
Give me raw power and grunt everyday
21 May 2009, 03:04 PM
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Secondly i bet you didn't even know you put the wrong type up either and your just being a smart ****
21 May 2009, 05:26 PM
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21 May 2009, 05:35 PM
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Alfa's have soul? - Alfa Romeo Forum
Just so you Subaru gheyers dont feel victimized, i give the Alfaowners the same amount of venom.
21 May 2009, 08:57 PM
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93k on a Grey Import V5 STi. It came in new and had all the toys done. Even the rear fog was integrated. Loving it. 5th Scoob and never had a breakdown in any of them. Even had a UK WRX Bugeye wagon with 276bhp without any dramas.
Worst car I have owned was a Seat. Dealer terrible, even put the wrong oil in the PD engine, bits fell off like confetti. Best car by far was the MX-5, it was the wifes but it was faultless. Dullest car was a 3 series BM.
Worst car I have owned was a Seat. Dealer terrible, even put the wrong oil in the PD engine, bits fell off like confetti. Best car by far was the MX-5, it was the wifes but it was faultless. Dullest car was a 3 series BM.
21 May 2009, 09:16 PM
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having sat recently in a Cupra and an Impreza, I'd prefer to Cupra to be honest. The subaru Cockpit really does resemble the plastic that they use in biscuit tins which is ironic as the engines are chocolate and the bodywork is about as durable/thick as a biscuit tin.
Firsty no i didn't notice because real men don't use fire extinguishers, we just **** on the blaze.
Secondly i bet you didn't even know you put the wrong type up either and your just being a smart ****
Firsty no i didn't notice because real men don't use fire extinguishers, we just **** on the blaze.
Secondly i bet you didn't even know you put the wrong type up either and your just being a smart ****
I see you like Alfas, think that might lend a clue or two................
21 May 2009, 09:41 PM
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lol this is a good thread.
im sure 350 bhp fwd is fun in the wet.
As has been said before, the scoob is very good all round, it has everything. and you have to compromose or spent silly money to beat it in any aspect.
The insides are fine, i dont see veryones problem, certainly nicer than the evo's. Mines got ni 70k miles on it, slightly modded and ran on uk fuel. Its still going strong. And it gets tracked. But i dont drive it like a ****, i.e. bouncing it off the limit to flame, or when the engine oil is cold.
If you drove any car like alot of people treat and drive scoobies i garuntee the engines wont last!
You dont need twisties to enjoy the awd, slip roads, roundabout exists, you can get the power down nice and early and balance it out of the corner, vroom
im sure 350 bhp fwd is fun in the wet.
As has been said before, the scoob is very good all round, it has everything. and you have to compromose or spent silly money to beat it in any aspect.
The insides are fine, i dont see veryones problem, certainly nicer than the evo's. Mines got ni 70k miles on it, slightly modded and ran on uk fuel. Its still going strong. And it gets tracked. But i dont drive it like a ****, i.e. bouncing it off the limit to flame, or when the engine oil is cold.
If you drove any car like alot of people treat and drive scoobies i garuntee the engines wont last!
You dont need twisties to enjoy the awd, slip roads, roundabout exists, you can get the power down nice and early and balance it out of the corner, vroom
