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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 11:24 PM
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Hi M8. Do you know of anyone in the northwest that can make a custom centre pipe to go from a sports cat to a prodrive back box. Also how easy is it to fit blue tooth. 08STI.
Mine was the Blue hatch with gold BBS wheels for a service about a month ago at your place.
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Hi mate, there is a place up nr us at a place called whitehaven called exhaustcraft who make custom Stainless steel exhausts.
http://www.exhaustcraft.co.uk/

As for the bluetooth, Personally I wouldnt bother with the subaru kit as it's not that reliable. You best bet is to get a Parrot CK3100 and have it hard wired into the radio loom. I do this quite allot at work as they are very very reliable bits of kit.

Hope this helps & hope the car is going well for you Rob
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Old Feb 25, 2011 | 11:30 PM
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Hi mate, there is a place up nr us at a place called whitehaven called exhaustcraft who make custom Stainless steel exhausts.
http://www.exhaustcraft.co.uk/

As for the bluetooth, Personally I wouldnt bother with the subaru kit as it's not that reliable. You best bet is to get a Parrot CK3100 and have it hard wired into the radio loom. I do this quite allot at work as they are very very reliable bits of kit.

Hope this helps & hope the car is going well for you Rob
Your a superstar Rob. Cheers.
Its still going great.
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:44 AM
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Hi mate, there is a place up nr us at a place called whitehaven called exhaustcraft who make custom Stainless steel exhausts.
http://www.exhaustcraft.co.uk/

As for the bluetooth, Personally I wouldnt bother with the subaru kit as it's not that reliable. You best bet is to get a Parrot CK3100 and have it hard wired into the radio loom. I do this quite allot at work as they are very very reliable bits of kit.

Hope this helps & hope the car is going well for you Rob
I have a nokia noise cancelling bluetooth headset which i wear all the time on the motorway. Do you think the Parrot could pick up the car radio and put it over blue tooth so as i could listen to the radio through the headset.
BTW, I well recommend using the headphones. They are like sunglasses for your ears.
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 04:40 PM
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Hi M8. Do you know of anyone in the northwest that can make a custom centre pipe to go from a sports cat to a prodrive back box.
08STI.
cheers

I got a sports cat downpipe 3" from H&S and they made me a 3" pipe ( the next one along ) that was 3" until 6" from the joint to the rear prodrive exhaust pipe and back box.

So 3" downpip and 2nd cat delete going to 2.5" std PPP rear exhaust.

09 STi 330S.

Made 370 bhp on safe mapping and 360 bhp on rollers. m So not a problem with exhaust back pressure.
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 05:51 PM
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 07:49 PM
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A little update on my car. I am now running my hatch with approx 8% methanol with a 2nd racerom map by Martyn @ Enginetuner.



Nearly got it to 500/500, but to say im happy is a massive understatement. The car is an absolute animal now. Hitting peak boost 1.7bar at 3400rpm it would leave the cossie subaru in lag world wondering why its got such a poor turbo.
I now have 2 maps "S mode" is a vpower map and "S# mode" a methanol map. I also have auto blip on down shift which is very handy and launch control.
Thanks Martyn your a legend!
If your coming towards the end of your warranty and fancy upping the power with no extra lag. I suggest you give enginetuner a call. Get yourself forged and slap on one of these sc46 billet turbos and you will never look back.
Can't believe no ones grilled ya on the methanol Jay ?

(Hi how ya doing ?)


SO... the twin maps I understand, but the methanol map ?

1. So how do you measure exactly 8% - how do ya do it ?

2. Where do you buy methanol ? How much to 'do one tank' ?

3. Once in the tank must it be run until empty on the higher boost map, and then you refill with V max ?

4. What would happen if you ran the v max map with meths in the tank ?

5. I guess with the higher ron content - does the engine 'run better' - I mean running on meths all the time - would it shorten engine life ?

6. Any other effects apart from 'more power' ? More responsive ? Flames ?


I guess you'll be saving for some 'proper big brakes' now.... or maybe a parachute !

Those SC46 turbos certainly do what they say on the tin Jay - I'm STILL saving up for mine... hopefully not too long now.


And Martyn is quite a genius i agree - good job mate.

Go well...

A
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 08:13 PM
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Can't believe no ones grilled ya on the methanol Jay ?

(Hi how ya doing ?)


SO... the twin maps I understand, but the methanol map ?

1. So how do you measure exactly 8% - how do ya do it ?

2. Where do you buy methanol ? How much to 'do one tank' ?

3. Once in the tank must it be run until empty on the higher boost map, and then you refill with V max ?

4. What would happen if you ran the v max map with meths in the tank ?

5. I guess with the higher ron content - does the engine 'run better' - I mean running on meths all the time - would it shorten engine life ?

6. Any other effects apart from 'more power' ? More responsive ? Flames ?


I guess you'll be saving for some 'proper big brakes' now.... or maybe a parachute !

Those SC46 turbos certainly do what they say on the tin Jay - I'm STILL saving up for mine... hopefully not too long now.


And Martyn is quite a genius i agree - good job mate.

Go well...

A
Hi A, I will on Jays behalf try and answer some of your questions.

1, Methanol is added in the easy following measures. Tank on VPower only, add 5 litres of meth and brim the tank. Tank running a mix, add 2.5 litres to 27.5 litres of fuel.

2, Methanol can be purchased online from Ebay sources, Jennychem will deliver it in 25 litre drums or 205 litre drums. In 205 litre drums from Jennychem it works out to around 65p a litre, so half the cost of petrol.

3, If you want to go back on to Vpower John then yes as low as you can get it before switching back.

4, Running it on the Vpower map whilst on meth is far less of an issue than the other way round.

5, Yes it certainly feels sweeter and no it wont shorten engine life.

6, Yes it is more responsive on meth and flames were spotted on the dyno whilst on the limiter

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Racerom features for you too A ?

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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MartynJ
Hi A, I will on Jays behalf try and answer some of your questions.



2, Methanol can be purchased online from Ebay sources, Jennychem will deliver it in 25 litre drums or 205 litre drums. In 205 litre drums from Jennychem it works out to around 65p a litre, so half the cost of petrol.



5, Yes it certainly feels sweeter and no it wont shorten engine life.

6, Yes it is more responsive on meth and flames were spotted on the dyno whilst on the limiter

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Racerom features for you too A ?

Martyn

65p a litre I paid 61p a litre for mine Bonnymans in ayrshire

Love the responsiveness of meths in mine, I run a 10% mix all the time my car loves the stuff, But be carefull with it as its a carcinogenic

as for flames well thats part of the course hahaha all four cans litt up at a time

Just need to get my **** into gear anf fit this turbo and get a frontmount 500 here I come lol all Self build
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:07 PM
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Wink Hiding between the posts...

Martyn you are always lurking somewhere 'out there', and for that we are glad


So Meths is for the experts amongst us... seems a lot of bother for another 40 bhp.

So what would the power have been if on V power at 1.7bar ? Maybe 480 + ?

Or is it 'par for the course' to run meths and max boost ?


The Racerom software 'treats' I am desiring much (Go Yoda) but wait will I for my next visit with a shiny turbo please Guvnor.



And Rob... we all know you've put a lot of time and effort into making your car a really nice machine... so what turbo are you going to use ? An Andy Forrest hybrid or what ? Spill the beans mate - knowledge is power !


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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:22 PM
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Hi mate, there is a place up nr us at a place called whitehaven called exhaustcraft who make custom Stainless steel exhausts.
http://www.exhaustcraft.co.uk/

As for the bluetooth, Personally I wouldnt bother with the subaru kit as it's not that reliable. You best bet is to get a Parrot CK3100 and have it hard wired into the radio loom. I do this quite allot at work as they are very very reliable bits of kit.

Hope this helps & hope the car is going well for you Rob

ROB - does this mean it works with the built in satnav/dvd screen or do you have to use the mini lcd parrot screen ?


Anyone else have experience withe the Subaru bluetooth kit ?

A
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Apostle
ROB - does this mean it works with the built in satnav/dvd screen or do you have to use the mini lcd parrot screen ?


Anyone else have experience withe the Subaru bluetooth kit ?

A

it basically works as a kit to interupt the audio from the headunit and you mount the parrot screen in a suitable place.

honestly the subaru kit is rubbish I've fitted countless numbers of these at work and they dont have a very good sucess rate the parrot wins hands down
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:28 PM
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Understood... also vastly overpriced.

So have to decide where to discreetly hide the bloody parrot...

(sounds like a Monty Python sketch)


And what turbo you going for then Rob ?


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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Apostle
Understood... also vastly overpriced.

So have to decide where to discreetly hide the bloody parrot...

(sounds like a Monty Python sketch)


And what turbo you going for then Rob ?


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I've opted for the Garrett MD321v in std position. I need to get a front mount for it and better control for the boost and sort a fuel reg out and a couple of bits but will be over 500bhp and 550ft/lbs torque maybe more. but all in good time as i'm in no rush as I'm still enjoying the car at the moment.

I keep toying with trading it in too but I'm still unsure as I still love the car
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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The meths is an oxygenated fuel so technically you dont need as much boost as the fuel contains it within its properties, but you need it mapped in to work otherwise it will run lean from what I know you need to alter the afr's to compensate for this fuel along with the ignition tables, the more meths the more timing you can add which makes more power. I gained 30ft/lbs and around 30 bhp adding meths to mine, but it needed a tweek on the map anyhow for the new engine
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Old Feb 26, 2011 | 10:39 PM
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Martyn you are always lurking somewhere 'out there', and for that we are glad


Originally Posted by Apostle
So Meths is for the experts amongst us... seems a lot of bother for another 40 bhp.
Not so, it's really easy if you own a fuel can and I can't think of any other way (Apart from race fuel) for getting another 40hp for nothing more than adding something to the fuel and a map tweak.
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So what would the power have been if on V power at 1.7bar ? Maybe 480 + ?
Hard to know for certain, it may have stopped taking boost and or ignition prior to making those kind of figures on Vpower.

Originally Posted by Apostle
Or is it 'par for the course' to run meths and max boost ?
The cooling affects of the meth help when running higher boost.

Originally Posted by Apostle
The Racerom software 'treats' I am desiring much (Go Yoda) but wait will I for my next visit with a shiny turbo please Guvnor.
Whenever your ready m8.

Martyn

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Originally Posted by Apostle
Can't believe no ones grilled ya on the methanol Jay ?

(Hi how ya doing ?)


SO... the twin maps I understand, but the methanol map ?

1. So how do you measure exactly 8% - how do ya do it ?

2. Where do you buy methanol ? How much to 'do one tank' ?

3. Once in the tank must it be run until empty on the higher boost map, and then you refill with V max ?

4. What would happen if you ran the v max map with meths in the tank ?

5. I guess with the higher ron content - does the engine 'run better' - I mean running on meths all the time - would it shorten engine life ?

6. Any other effects apart from 'more power' ? More responsive ? Flames ?


I guess you'll be saving for some 'proper big brakes' now.... or maybe a parachute !

Those SC46 turbos certainly do what they say on the tin Jay - I'm STILL saving up for mine... hopefully not too long now.


And Martyn is quite a genius i agree - good job mate.

Go well...

A
Hi John

I wont bother to try and answer the questions any better than Martyn.
Some info for ya....
The car is absolutely amazing, and I imagine with your ported heads and trick up-pipe yours would be even more responsive than mine. You really dont have to worry about any extra lag whatsoever. If you compare my graph against some of the other graphs on the scoobyclinic billet turbo thread. You can see that the hatch's trick dual avcs is allowing it to spool the bigger sc46 quicker than older cars running sc36/sc40. On the road its mind blowing.
Also when you do get your car done and all mapped up. When you arrive to pick up the car, bring a spare pair of pants. Martyn is very good at showing off the new features.
Happy saving and good luck mate.
Maybe we should setup a enginetuner hatch meet one day??
cheers
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But be carefull with it as its a carcinogenic

It will also make you blind!!
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It will also make you blind!!
Speedway bikes used to run it neat. You had a huge great main jet as you can get about a teaspoon full in the combustion chamber every stroke.
The main danger was that you couldn't see it when it caught fire, so if you had a fire you never knew if you had put it out.
If it does catch fire, you can extinguish it with water (loads of it) unlike petrol which virtually explodes if you throw water on it.
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" bring a spare pair of pants. Martyn is very good at showing off the new features. "

Ha ha lol lol . My turn will surely come.

"Maybe we should setup a enginetuner hatch meet one day??"

Sounds like a great idea Jay... after i get mine done.


Been reading up on the methanol - i understand you must handle with extreme caution - can cause cancer and blindness. MUST store well away from children preferably under lock and key I guess.

It has got me thinking tho...


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Speedway bikes used to run it neat. You had a huge great main jet as you can get about a teaspoon full in the combustion chamber every stroke.
The main danger was that you couldn't see it when it caught fire, so if you had a fire you never knew if you had put it out.
If it does catch fire, you can extinguish it with water (loads of it) unlike petrol which virtually explodes if you throw water on it.
We use it most days at work for de icing. Have a look at the msds sheet for it and all it's not so pleasant effects.
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Rob ... the 321 V with the new billet wheel I guess - a size up from the SC46 - nice turbo mate. will be a right monster lol...

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Brilliant results Jayp !!

With all this talk of 500+, it will be interesting to see if the experts I spoke to early 2010 are correct, when they said anything over about 450 in these engines dramatically increases the chances of head gasket failure, which is why I'm staying arouind 460-480. I sincerely hope they are wrong (as I'm only at 1.3 bar and would quite like to turn it up a bit ) - but it will be interesting to see what happens.
I hope that my 14mm head studs/Cossy gaskets and Andy's build at Enginetuner will help hold it together.

I used methanol from Jennychem 2004-6 in the 425 BHP classic. Easy most of the time, as I just added a 1 gal before each tank fill up, and carried 2 x 1 gal containers in the boot. With only one map it was a pain on holiday in Scotland as I carried about 40 litres around in the car - definately not a good idea Plus there were not many Shell stations up there !
Looking back, overall, it was probably not worth the hassle then for an extra 20-30 BHP. Easier now with switchable maps available, but still not tempted
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Old Feb 27, 2011 | 10:32 AM
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dos everyone drive round in Sport# mode to feel the benefit of 460+bhp?
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I do as it uses less fuel than S mode according to Iain Litchfield. Currently getting about 25-27 mpg per tankfull on long trips. And that is still having fun - but mostly cruising around 80.

Still goes well on S, but not as responsive as S#

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From Lichfield (Staffs) back to Nottm last sunday we were in 'I' mode.. kept 70 up and pulled on our drive with 29.6mpg showing on the screen.
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I-mode is not a lot of fun though !!

Shows what careful driving can achieve - and what it costs when you overtake

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Stan were you at Clive Atthowes yesterday ?
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What's the trick up pipe on Apostle's car then? Harvey special???

Also Jay - you got the SC46 billet turbo, any problems to fit ( apart from the FMIC issues )? Spool upa and driveability?

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The car is absolutely amazing, and I imagine with your ported heads and trick up-pipe yours would be even more responsive than mine. jay
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Stan were you at Clive Atthowes yesterday ?
Yes - I don't get out much
Good to see a good range of scoobies in a variety of stages of mods and chat with petrol heads
Think we need name badges to put faces to names !!
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