Dream Weaver

One of the ST OC mods did 0-62 in 5.14 at the Pod last week, 330/350 bhp ish, same LSD as the RS, std road tyres

Shailan

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I can vouch for 200bhp in front wheel drive. Having had a Civic Type R - 03, with 197 bhp, it used to wheel spin all over the place. I got better traction with michelins on the front, but still in the wet wheel spin all the way!

Boyakasha

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So did I and it was also the only car I ever gt stuck in the snow in. At least the RS will have an LSD which only the JDM CTR came with which was the most ridiculous thing considering they were all made in Swindon

Dream Weaver

Excellent test on the Drivers Republic site this month of RS vs STI vs R26R.

I would urge all the RS doubters to have a read, and get the pie ready

John Hughes

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...ml#post8553150

bluenosewrx

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Every single thread about any fast Ford and you magically apper to tell us all how great it is,

I think you would be better of on a Ford forum mate as you clearly have a passion for them.

This is not meant in a bad way but its getting a little boring now trying to justify every little comment made against the Blue oval badge,

theres a good boy, now BUGGER OFF,LOL

Mac

jasonius

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Exactly, why couldn't they. It's like that excellent knock up someone did of what the new impreza hatch SHOLUD have looked like..! It's not like it would have cost any more to manufacture..!

Tidgy

take the looks and sound of the RS, the performance of the scoob and bugger me you'd have a stonking car.

think ford have dropped the ball, the rs isn't comparable to an sti a fwd hot hatch it is (in the stylee of yoda).

the review posted up is funny, they give it to the rs on looks, but considering there comparing it to a car built for performance rather than looks (the evo), then its a bit of a flawed review.

also can you see much more power being able to be put through the drive train when there saying there fighting the wheel all over the place?

Dream Weaver

Touchy touchy

I wouldn't say I'm on every fast Ford thread, just the ST and RS. I've been in the Subaru scene since 98 now so defo have a passion for them, or should I say I did until they released the current monstrosity - maybe I'm just gutted that they have turned the Impreza into the ugliest hatch on the road?

Just giving a bit of balance to the RS vs STI debate as it seems to be getting a bashing on here for no reason.

Did you read the DR article or are you referring to something else, DR is Megane vs RS vs STI.

New_scooby_04

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Now, now! Be nice to Dream Weaver we need the RS and we need fans of it to wake Subaru up and get them off this misguided path they're currently treading! Subaru: take note of Ford, stop ***** footing around with this "more respectable" approach and give the car what it needs a dose of adrenaline as std, don't leave it to prodrive or the tuners, you can do it: give us something more like the Spec C. The game has moved on, you need to put the Impreza once again at the top of the performance pecking order!

I think the RS is looking like a belter, but I do wish, they'd done it properly given it 4WD and the cossie badge! I look forward to a proper review on UK roads though!

Dream Weaver

I agree about getting Subaru to move things on, but sadly I think they will go the way of Toyota Toyota used to make great sporty cars, turbo nutters etc but look at them now, terrible.

I honestly think Subaru will go the same way, its the same with everything else in the world - we are made to feel so guilty in 2009 about anything remotely fun, enjoyable, or that may cause a 0.0000000000001% detrimental effect on the planet that nobody dare build anything mental.

Rumour has it, the FRS is the last car that will be made with an RS badge, which says something about the global society now.

Pioneering, daring and downright fun activities are slowly been taken from us all and that includes cars, rallying, F1 and the rest. I don't think F1 will be here in 10 years, or WRC.

myblackwrx

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What, becoming the worlds largest automotive manufacturer .

Impreza owners never like change though do they,they complained about the bugeye,then the blobeye, then the hawkeye.

New_scooby_04

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Only because toyota manufacture "white goods" cars!

The point is there should be an Impreza available in the UK where we couldn't have this discussion, as it should have singificantly higher power and be more sophisticated than anything in the hot hatch brigade. This was the case with the original UK turbo which picked up the mantle of the Escort Cossie. There was nothing to touch it in the UK market - you had to go to the JDM market and when you did that you found that there was a higher powered JDM Impreza too!

Now, the sad fact is that the gap has slimmed to the extent where Impreza vs hot hatch from Ford discussions are entirely relevant and folks like me have just kept their classics and modified them to stay ahead of the competition

myblackwrx

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But they still make money which funds their R+D departments (possibly relaunch of the Supra for example) they've even spent money on Subaru to make that new coupe.

Why do you see it as a competition?
I've a lowly 93wrx (which means according to some people on here i'm a chav scumbag and not worthy of owning one)and see no need to keep up with the Fords and Vauxhalls of the world.
i know i paid very little for a car that ,if neccessary, can still keep up with the latest Ł20K cars.

As i pointed out impreza owners seem to find it hard to let go of the past (the complaint about how the new one looks is very poor imo as not many imprezas look beautiful really).
People on here only look at the UK picture whereas Subaru have to look a the worldwide side of it and from what i've seen the world likes the new shape.

phil_wrx

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i made a comment a while ago about the prodrive p2 car, now i really like that motor so i was doing some research and prodrive had a special system on it that helped reduce torque steer and help improve grip now i also read that this system was on 2 test cars

a subaru sti - 4wd
a ford focus - fwd


now i was wondering did prodrive let ford use this system as part of the aston deal ?

there must of been a reason why one of the testbeds was a focus ?

Dream Weaver

Yes they could become the worlds biggest auto maker, but it will be done buy selling mass market cars to mass market people, it won't be done by flogging special rally reps that they don't make any money on.

So you've kind of made the point I was making.

allsop83

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Subaru should have built the P2 for Prodrive as a follow up to the P1 in my opinion...
But anyway, back on topic!

I'm a big Subaru enthusiast but seeing as I got into rallying around 1996 I love the classic impreza and own 2 of what were my dream cars (P1, 22B) but am willing to appreciate a good car when I see it.

I have no doubts about the old escort cozzie's ability but I never really wanted or want one. BUT.....I want one of the new RS's.....lol

I'm going to watch the reviews closely and maybe swing a shot in one (although I'm in no position to afford it!)

I think it is an awsome looking car and in it's own way will be a hoot to drive, maybe not the fastest but that's not what it's all about. I have great fun in my 45bhp Ibiza getting to and from work on the back roads for example...it's not always about being the fastest.

Getting to grips with 300bhp from the front wheels will be a challenge yes but I'm sure that's part of the charm.

Having said that, a brake upgrade may be required....300bhp on 1-pot calipers....
at Ł25k, you have a big selection of nearly new cars to choose from a lot cheaper with the way things are just now.

Would love to see a snarling 4wd cosworth version but can't see it happening.

scoobyc

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I think we should let tiff and plato sort this one out...

Shaun

Simply untrue.... either you can't drive or you have never driven a well set-up RS or ST Focus. Now which one is it?

Dream Weaver

Lucky man

I will own a P1 in the future at some point, still my fave Impreza by a long chalk.

Paul666

I've raced a 200bhp 5 GT turbo that was f**kin undriveable setting 4th fastest lap in class at Snetterton, Super road saloons Class A upto 4 litre, and I'm still here so I know I can drive

If you think you can put 250 or more bhp from any FWD car and use it all in anything other than a straight line on a dry road then you better get on to the BTCC as they're missing one of the best undiscovered Saloon car racers

Dream Weaver

I don't understand comments like this, please explain? I had a 200bhp 205 which could be a pain in the wet, but when cy was no problem and that's with old technology.

I now have a Focus at 280bhp and it can be as docile as any other car, and I certainly have no problems going anywhere quickly.

I just don't understand what you think will happen? Do you really think they are undrivable, what do you think they are like to drive?

I'm in Lancs and you can't be far off if you are near Oulton, maybe we should meet up and I can show you exactly how easy they are to drive quickly without being killed or crashing.

Paul666

What’s not to understand the Renault's power delivery was nothing, nothing then everything and it was all about keeping the wheel spin down, as it is with any FWD car. As I said in my first post trick diffs have made it more controllable, better grip, but there is only so much power that can be feed via the front wheels without losing traction. Unless you can defy the laws of physics then the front of the car will unload under acceleration, which restricts the grip. Naturally aspirated engines deal with it better than turbo as the power is more linier. Whatever the power the front wheels have to brake, steer and apply power and tyres only have so much grip to give.

I'm sure your Focus can go anywhere quickly, it's a well sorted chassis with a trick diff but the point I was making was that to push it close to its limit you need to be skillfull, if not you will crash, if you don't then you're not reaching the cars limit, just the drivers. Even a well set up car can be crashed below its limit by a poor driver. Please don't think I'm questioning your driving ability.

Every car is drivable but it's what % of the power can be used in all situations. I've got the new STI with the PPP kit, 330bhp and I know that I will be able to use a bigger % of that power from the apex of a bend than a FWD. If a FWD does use the same % then at best you'll increase the slip angle and scrub off speed or you'll understeer across the road towards the hedge or tree, which ever isn't as quick.

Paul

rabbos

Most of the modern hatches have turbo engines with a linear response which you would be hard pressed to tell its FI.

In absolute terms an awd chassis can distribute its torque better than the FWD no doubt, its just the 'extra' performance margin has been shrunk to a gnats whisker thanks to tyre, suspension, ESP etc technology. Not to mention the extra weight.

Paul666

I was talking about 20 year old cars, but you should be able to tell the difference especially on the smaller engine cars as they only make the power they do when the turbo comes on song, I know I can.

If you look at the list of advances you've quote they've all been fitted to the AWD as well, which should set the AWD even further away. The biggest thing to close the gap is the trick diffs fitted to FWD now. As I've said they have made more of the power usable but you can quote 250+bhp for a FWD car but how much of that is the traction control letting you play with, nowhere near that.

Paul

Dream Weaver

You may have a point if you drive on the roads everywhere at 100% of the cars limits but that would just be stupid. I'm a rather slow driver so for me personally there would never be an occasion where AWD would be better than FWD. I imagine that would be the same for most people on here.

I keep saying this, but in modern times you will rarely be able to see an advantage of AWD on normal roads as the advantage it has is now so much higher up towards the top limits.

You would have to be going some to see the AWD advantage, andim not talking about racing, I mean the same person trying both cars.

Dream Weaver

Ps my ST has no trick diff, and the ESP rarely kicks in.

Paul666

If you read my post at the end of page 1 you'll see what I originally said. Shaun (post 49) then questioned my driving abilities, which is where you came in.

All I'm saying is that you can't use all that power from FWD, if you have AWD you could use more of it safely on the road.

They fitted the viscous diffs to the Mk3 RS turbo so I would have thought you would have some sort of trick diff in there and not just the open diff as per the 5GT?

For 98-99% of the time you don't get the chance to tell the difference but it's the 1-2% that I like, cross country, but still within the speed limits than you can feel it.

Paul.

adehook

carn't we ask harry hill to sort it out with a fight?

Timur 008

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I've enjoyed reading these threads on the new Ford RS & to see what people think of them & their own cars
Now on a personel taste note - i'm liking the the Ford's shape but as a comparison to my current Scooby (bugeye) with various tasty mods & running 345bhp there no comparison for me (i'm happily staying put for now).
I've had many types of top sports cars from Skyline's, Pulsar GTI-r's, Evo Tommi Mak, & classic Shape v6 WRX STI. The most interesting car i had & done up silly to match the the new RS would have been my Mitsubishi Colt Turbo (yep i dropped a Galant 2ltr EVO engine into it) & boy did it have some power running at the front wheels i could even pull wheel spins while driving in 3rd gear with 17" alloys! it was a cracking little light motor! but while driving it i always kept on missing a AWD car (specially when road conditions where bad) so i went back for a 4WD
I do think that the current 0-60 for the RS is not good enough for me to splash the money they are asking for it as a standard 2ltr GTI-r i had some 10years ago would be doing its 0-60 in 5.4secs all day & after a few simple mods i was doing 0-60 in 4.6secs at the pod. 0-60 is a reality for me as i love the feel of having that rally type quick burst of speed in short distance spirts (bit like a Ben Johnson) & not a longer distance spinter (can't think of any at the mo?) but on our crummy roads full of speed bumps, cameras & only a 70mph motorway limit top speed is irrelavent to me thus why i like the 0-60 4wd rally-slags.
Finally if i had the cash to by the RS i would take into consideration the classic Ford reliabilitly issues (Fix Or Repair Daily) i think i will be waiting to see how the 1st back of RS's do for a year or so before i leave what i got now & jump into one