Does a spoilerless scooby spoil handling?
28 October 2008, 02:45 AM
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The point of a spoiler is to improve down-force which aids cornering by increasing grip. The drag will slow you down when accelerating in a straight line but it would improve stability during extended high speed, straight line runs.
For everyday driving you'll see no difference.
P.S. Although the RA-R had no spoiler, the actual WRC car did (it even used the little WRX spoiler until 1997 - see here).
For everyday driving you'll see no difference.
P.S. Although the RA-R had no spoiler, the actual WRC car did (it even used the little WRX spoiler until 1997 - see here).
28 October 2008, 09:49 AM
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F1 cars create downforce with the speeds they achieve, so spoilers make sense in that application. Whether they give 1/10th of the benefits on an Impreza is doubtful to say the least.
28 October 2008, 10:07 AM
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The point of a spoiler is to improve down-force which aids cornering by increasing grip. The drag will slow you down when accelerating in a straight line but it would improve stability during extended high speed, straight line runs.
For everyday driving you'll see no difference.
P.S. Although the RA-R had no spoiler, the actual WRC car did (it even used the little WRX spoiler until 1997 - see here).
For everyday driving you'll see no difference.
P.S. Although the RA-R had no spoiler, the actual WRC car did (it even used the little WRX spoiler until 1997 - see here).
Im fully aware of what a spoiler does, but to quote Dave Lapworth "they where a marketing excercise"
28 October 2008, 10:23 AM
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Yes, indeed. I was speaking of spoilers in general - I agree about most applications; when you see the spoiler on the MG ZR is the same as the STi Wagon's you've got ask questions!
28 October 2008, 10:26 AM
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Funny how most of the spoiler-less cars are yanks where roads are straight etc.
Time for some facts. Make you own mind up whether you feel you need to have downforce for grip. I have and would not remove it for the world (even on the public road)
iirc the two speeds at which these were judged were 100kph and 150 kph.
Time for some facts. Make you own mind up whether you feel you need to have downforce for grip. I have and would not remove it for the world (even on the public road)
iirc the two speeds at which these were judged were 100kph and 150 kph.
28 October 2008, 10:29 AM
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I can only speak from experience; on track they make a considerable difference to stability. There is also a marked difference between a mid level spoiler - an STi4, for instance- and an STi5.
Whilst it is noticeable on the straights, long fast corners are where it really shows; Island at Oulton can be taken 10-15mph faster with an STi6 wing than a mid level as the car feels much more settled.
On the road I'd suggest they're of negligible value.
Whilst it is noticeable on the straights, long fast corners are where it really shows; Island at Oulton can be taken 10-15mph faster with an STi6 wing than a mid level as the car feels much more settled.
On the road I'd suggest they're of negligible value.
28 October 2008, 11:29 AM
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Casting my mind back a way a seem to recall a guy from Prodrive on about the rear spoiler on the Blobeye, neither the STi or WRX spoiler generated actual downforce, but both acted as lift arresters, helping cut down on the lift the car generates. There was not much difference between either spoiler, the WRX one creating less drag but haveing roughly the same effect on reducing lift.
28 October 2008, 11:48 AM
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Add a better front splitter and front downforce is created enabling more rear spoiler and better balance (and loads more grip through the twisties)
Understeer is considered safer by most mfrs
28 October 2008, 01:30 PM
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[QUOTE=dynamix;8228178]Add a simple front splitter and the lift / understeer is reduced.
Add a better front splitter and front downforce is created enabling more rear spoiler and better balance (and loads more grip through the twisties)
judging by your results it makes no difference at all
Add a better front splitter and front downforce is created enabling more rear spoiler and better balance (and loads more grip through the twisties)
judging by your results it makes no difference at all
28 October 2008, 01:43 PM
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Quite simply...... if YOU think that spoilers are a marketing ploy for a Scoob, then you should clearly trade your scoob in for a push bike! 
Does the Scoob need a carlos fandango spoiler, to which you could do your ironing on it, for pure road use? Perhaps not..... but they do and can make a difference. You wouldnt catch me taking mine off, as I know very well what would happen at speed when I lift off....... but then my car is not exactly standard.
The benefits would be down to the car, use and the driver, as regards to how much a difference would be seen.
Does the Scoob need a carlos fandango spoiler, to which you could do your ironing on it, for pure road use? Perhaps not..... but they do and can make a difference. You wouldnt catch me taking mine off, as I know very well what would happen at speed when I lift off....... but then my car is not exactly standard.
The benefits would be down to the car, use and the driver, as regards to how much a difference would be seen.
28 October 2008, 01:48 PM
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I appreciate this is an example of an extreme case..... but this is the kind of affects that taking your spoiler off can have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
28 October 2008, 01:56 PM
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I was at Castle Combe and Snettedon recently and did a few laps without my GT wing, it certainly made a difference under braking and taking the fast corners at the above circuits!
For example, the car felt very light and unstable at high speed through the bend on the main straight at castle combe!
For example, the car felt very light and unstable at high speed through the bend on the main straight at castle combe!
28 October 2008, 01:57 PM
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I have taken the small wrx spoiler off mine and i think it looks nice cause its different compared with most.
Since taking it off, it has affected the handling but only at high speeds.
Since taking it off, it has affected the handling but only at high speeds.
28 October 2008, 01:58 PM
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I appreciate this is an example of an extreme case..... but this is the kind of affects that taking your spoiler off can have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
28 October 2008, 02:24 PM
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Yep RA-R can come completely spoilerless
http://home.arcor.de/goep2/Subaru/RAR2.jpg
or with a carbon fibre jobby
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/RevNews305.jpg
Shaun
http://home.arcor.de/goep2/Subaru/RAR2.jpg
or with a carbon fibre jobby
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/RevNews305.jpg
Shaun
28 October 2008, 02:40 PM
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I appreciate this is an example of an extreme case..... but this is the kind of affects that taking your spoiler off can have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
I rememeber that happening to Rich, he sold the car not long after, think it fooked is head up that which it would most poeople i,m sure....
28 October 2008, 03:17 PM
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I can only speak from experience; on track they make a considerable difference to stability. There is also a marked difference between a mid level spoiler - an STi4, for instance- and an STi5.
Whilst it is noticeable on the straights, long fast corners are where it really shows; Island at Oulton can be taken 10-15mph faster with an STi6 wing than a mid level as the car feels much more settled.
On the road I'd suggest they're of negligible value.
Whilst it is noticeable on the straights, long fast corners are where it really shows; Island at Oulton can be taken 10-15mph faster with an STi6 wing than a mid level as the car feels much more settled.
On the road I'd suggest they're of negligible value.
J.
28 October 2008, 07:34 PM
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I appreciate this is an example of an extreme case..... but this is the kind of affects that taking your spoiler off can have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oJ2wQiu2Y
28 October 2008, 07:36 PM
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The TT is a bit of a different case, but the principal is the same. I assume that because the Impreza is a saloon with a boot hanging out of the back, it is somewhat different than the end of a turd shape that is as slippery as an eel.
28 October 2008, 07:39 PM
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Casting my mind back to the original Audi TT. Are you sure about that? If we allow that people occasionally exceed 60mph and a sweeping open corner is a challenge for many? Just a bit of a throttle lift mid-corner may have rather different results with or without the spoiler.
J.
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28 October 2008, 07:56 PM
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still unsure then as to what the effect would be? dont like the sti spoiler and prefer the wrx one but rather fancy loosing them all together, however, not at the cost of handling and grip NO WAY...i aim to have my sti running @350bhp sitting on adjustables,droplink, bump steer etc..will it really make the difference?
