Does a spoilerless scooby spoil handling?
27 October 2008, 05:20 PM
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Does a spoilerless scooby spoil handling?
Looking at getting an sti blobeye this christmas and gonna take of the standard spoiler as its just a little too big for my liking, I prefer the wrx spoiler however am thinking of going totally spoilerless. Will this have a big effect on the cars handling?
This is the look i'm going for:
This is the look i'm going for:
27 October 2008, 05:24 PM
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Probably improve it
I'd be first to admit mine are only on the car because I like the 'just off a rally stage' look - I am sure half the time they act as anchors
I'd be first to admit mine are only on the car because I like the 'just off a rally stage' look - I am sure half the time they act as anchors
27 October 2008, 05:29 PM
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I think spoilerless looks great. Might go that route myself in the future. Spoilerless much better than little wrx spoiler. Notably on quarter mile runs people either remove spoilers or at least the top half.
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27 October 2008, 05:37 PM
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Have you guys noticed how much the standard STI spoiler flaps around when driving? No downforce there, it's all about the look.
If you want evidence of how much it improves handling take a look at the RA-R. No spoiler there.......
If you want evidence of how much it improves handling take a look at the RA-R. No spoiler there.......
27 October 2008, 05:39 PM
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That boot lid isn't spoilerless.........it has the Spec D bootlid spoiler 
Shaun
PS can't imagine either of the spoilers (WRX or STi) having a marked aerodynamic function at normal speeds
Shaun
PS can't imagine either of the spoilers (WRX or STi) having a marked aerodynamic function at normal speeds
27 October 2008, 05:47 PM
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Yep RA-R can come completely spoilerless 
http://home.arcor.de/goep2/Subaru/RAR2.jpg
or with a carbon fibre jobby
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/RevNews305.jpg
Shaun
http://home.arcor.de/goep2/Subaru/RAR2.jpg
or with a carbon fibre jobby
http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/RevNews305.jpg
Shaun
27 October 2008, 05:51 PM
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My Spec D has a Prodrive spoiler which makes no noticeable difference on the road as far as I can tell but I am assured by the driver I manage that you can feel the downforce it creates at speed on a circuit.
27 October 2008, 05:56 PM
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You are correct, I was getting confused as the Spec D (Discreet) was based on an STi but came without the STi spoiler.
Yes, I was thinking about the A-Line rear spoiler LOL
I'll get my coat !
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You are correct, I was getting confused as the Spec D (Discreet) was based on an STi but came without the STi spoiler.
Yes, I was thinking about the A-Line rear spoiler LOL
I'll get my coat !
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27 October 2008, 06:20 PM
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It makes no real practical difference (unless youre driving a WRC car and regularly 'flying'). You only need to worry about the air that goes under your car.
27 October 2008, 06:22 PM
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I think the spoiler will have some benefit but only above speeds of 60-70 mph according to my understanding.
For a quarter of a mile run, reducing drag will be important, but for general driving/tracks, above a certain speed I think it will be of benefit, albeit marginal.
For road driving I cannot see any benefit other than asthetic.
For a quarter of a mile run, reducing drag will be important, but for general driving/tracks, above a certain speed I think it will be of benefit, albeit marginal.
For road driving I cannot see any benefit other than asthetic.
27 October 2008, 06:23 PM
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I don't think the speeds you do you will really notice it to be honest!
I am buying a bigger spoiler to make up for down below! Well thats what i am telling the mrs he he
I am buying a bigger spoiler to make up for down below!
Well thats what i am telling the mrs he he
27 October 2008, 06:54 PM
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Looking at getting an sti blobeye this christmas and gonna take of the standard spoiler as its just a little too big for my liking, I prefer the wrx spoiler however am thinking of going totally spoilerless. Will this have a big effect on the cars handling?
This is the look i'm going for:
This is the look i'm going for:
anyone know where these are from? sti spoilers have had there day
27 October 2008, 07:39 PM
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[QUOTE=RobinSherwood;
but I am assured by the driver I manage that you can feel the downforce it creates at speed on a circuit.[/QUOTE]
he's talking out of his rear end there was a thread about this a while back and someone came up with all the technical data, which stated the only thing it does is add weight and create a shed load of drag. i took mine off and my car is definately faster without it
0 to 60 and on track. i think there was a very slight improvement in downforce after about 130mph with the spoiler but the vortex it generated was detrimental to high speed stability
but I am assured by the driver I manage that you can feel the downforce it creates at speed on a circuit.[/QUOTE]
he's talking out of his rear end
there was a thread about this a while back and someone came up with all the technical data, which stated the only thing it does is add weight and create a shed load of drag. i took mine off and my car is definately faster without it 0 to 60 and on track. i think there was a very slight improvement in downforce after about 130mph with the spoiler but the vortex it generated was detrimental to high speed stability
27 October 2008, 07:58 PM
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The one in the picture isn't an "A-Line" spoiler. Do a search for MIKKEL on here...his car has an A-Line spoiler on.
The one in the pic is similar to a MINES lip spoiler. Do a search for "Impreza trunk" on ebay.com (not .co.uk) and you will see both carbon and FRP versions.
There are quite a few cars on NASIOC with them on.
Me.........just got a new boot lid and got an A-line lip on the way.....time to go spoilerless
The one in the pic is similar to a MINES lip spoiler. Do a search for "Impreza trunk" on ebay.com (not .co.uk) and you will see both carbon and FRP versions.
There are quite a few cars on NASIOC with them on.
Me.........just got a new boot lid and got an A-line lip on the way.....time to go spoilerless
27 October 2008, 08:08 PM
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Did someone mention my name
My Spec D came with the upgraded Prodrive GB270 spoiler from new, although the Spec D comes with the WRX spoiler as standard. View my scoob for the a-line spoiler which is the JDM equivalent to the UK Spec D. Also called the STi Limited in Europe I believe, or something like that.
Having gone from a 280bhp car with a huge wing to a 360bhp with no wing I can assure you it makes no difference... except I am carrying considerably less weight on the boot.
My Spec D came with the upgraded Prodrive GB270 spoiler from new, although the Spec D comes with the WRX spoiler as standard. View my scoob for the a-line spoiler which is the JDM equivalent to the UK Spec D. Also called the STi Limited in Europe I believe, or something like that.
Having gone from a 280bhp car with a huge wing to a 360bhp with no wing I can assure you it makes no difference... except I am carrying considerably less weight on the boot.
27 October 2008, 10:49 PM
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27 October 2008, 10:55 PM
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The one in the picture isn't an "A-Line" spoiler. Do a search for MIKKEL on here...his car has an A-Line spoiler on.
The one in the pic is similar to a MINES lip spoiler. Do a search for "Impreza trunk" on ebay.com (not .co.uk) and you will see both carbon and FRP versions.
There are quite a few cars on NASIOC with them on.
Me.........just got a new boot lid and got an A-line lip on the way.....time to go spoilerless
The one in the pic is similar to a MINES lip spoiler. Do a search for "Impreza trunk" on ebay.com (not .co.uk) and you will see both carbon and FRP versions.
There are quite a few cars on NASIOC with them on.
Me.........just got a new boot lid and got an A-line lip on the way.....time to go spoilerless
are you replacing the enitre boot lid and where are you getting the a line from?
I love this look, clean and simple.
27 October 2008, 11:12 PM
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You can buy the a-line spoiler from a main dealer.
27 October 2008, 11:45 PM
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The point of a spoiler is to improve down-force which aids cornering by increasing grip. The drag will slow you down when accelerating in a straight line but it would improve stability during extended high speed, straight line runs.
For everyday driving you'll see no difference.
P.S. Although the RA-R had no spoiler, the actual WRC car did (it even used the little WRX spoiler until 1997 - see here).
For everyday driving you'll see no difference.
P.S. Although the RA-R had no spoiler, the actual WRC car did (it even used the little WRX spoiler until 1997 - see here).
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