hamyam

wont be long, most of the crime and shootings are blacks see it on the news every day

jods

The Inland revenue set a limit of x% of income that can be donated to charity per annum in the most tax efficient manner. I'll guess no one here donates MORE than that figure - I know I don't.

Any Tax gurus on here care to help with actual figures?

Martin2005

Again thats just not true, most crime is not committed by black people.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I think that is a bit of a narrow minded view. People are bad regardless of colour, and I doubt most of the crime is committed by blacks.

hamyam

Open your eyes the shootings are manly black and if you want to tell me im in the wrong look at the poll .People are leaving this once great Briton to move abroad as they are fed up with whets happening FACT.

Klaatu

One in which we can influence (Before it's too late), the other we can do nothing about (Will go down in history as the worlds worst, and hilarious, exercise in futility).

Martin2005

You started off quoting Enoch Powel, and were wrong, then you said most crime is committed by black people, and were wrong again.

What's the poll got to do with shootings? Most black people in this country are at the very least 2nd generation, probably 3rd or 4th. Nothing at all to do with illegal immigration.

Now you say this Great Britian is no longer great, out of interest could you point to a time in history when you think Britain was great?

hamyam

LOOK AT THE POLL

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I think those leaving Britain, are doing so for a multitude of reasons, not just because of immigration issues. Even if we were to say most shootings are related to colour, most crime isn't.

Obviously I accept certain areas of the country have issues with colour related crime, but that may have something to do with the type of area, or concentration of people (a large number of blacks for example may lead to more blacks committing crime).

Almost all crime I hear of where I live is due to white, English people. Not saying the 'foreigners' don't commit any but they don't seem to be in the majority.

Klaatu

Maybe because "blacks" are not treated on an eaqual footing as many "whites" in Great Britain? If you look at the figures you'll see most "blacks" feature highly in economic, scocial and employment inequalities, one could consider this is the main driver behind their crime?

Martin2005

You MIGHT be right about GW, the truth is neither you or I know for certain, therefore it's somewhat dangerous to dismiss it out of hand. Afterall if the scientific evidence is wrong then it's wrong and we move on, if it's right HOLY **** we're in trouble, so it's prudent to do something, I don't think thats an unreasonable position, do you?

hamyam

Then you are lucky

Martin2005

Well said, see we can agree on some stuff

Martin2005

WHAT'S THE POLL GOT TO DO WITH IT?

hamyam

What pisses me off is we have to be careful not to upset the colours and stop our culture i.e. not rubbing Christianity in there faces can’t show classic comedy like rising damp etc, if they don’t like it why should the English people change? My brother was in Saudi Arabia for a few years and he had to live with there rules .Why cant they do the same here?

hamyam

wasent that the thread ?????????????

Klaatu

The "scientific evidence" is based on assumption, consensus (Amoung those who support the "evidence", meaning funding) and computer modelling. Humans doing "something" about GW is as useful as a gribil running on it's training wheel.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

If that was a reply to me, then you may be right. What I am trying to get across is if you live in an area which has a high crime rate due to a 'certain' group of people, you have to see that there is more chance of seeing blacks in your case committing crime.. because there are many about.

In my case, I don't see that problem, if you like, so much, but I do live on a council estate surrounded by many other council estates. Mine is reasonably quiet, not without problems, but not so bad as people see on programmes and the news etc. However, some nearby are awful, yet I would hope because council estates are portrayed so badly out there, people would be wise enough not to tar them with the same brush.

I have been raised here, and I feel I am a decent person regardless, just think the same goes for so many blacks etc. living out there just wanting to go about there life also not wanting to be tarred with the same brush as those causing harm.

Martin2005

What rules? They are British too!

To say this is a christian country is pushing it somewhat, about 6% of the population are actually regular church goers, we are a modern secular society. It really winds me up when people who probably never been in a church in their lives start banging on about us being a 'christian county'. What people who say that mean is 'white country'!

You want our society to be like Saudi Arabia? Totally intollerant of anything 'un-islamic' come on surely you could come up with a better example than that. Maybe we should start stoning women to death for adultery, or beheading people, or locking up demcratic activists... you really want that?

Martin2005

I'm thinking your minds made up on this one, permit me to continue to have a healthy scepticism, and keep an open mind. Hope you're right though

Out of interest, what would convince you?

Martin2005

No of course it isn't

Klaatu

If migrants are in any country legally, and are working (Excluding students and medical visitors) and their visa expires, they should be given the opportunity to present their case and re-apply for a visa/find another sponsor (Actually, it's the law and migrants can). If migrants have blatantly flouted the law, and it is the responsibility of the migrant to make sure they remain within the law (Same with employers, but i guess employers could be tempted with "cheap" labour), then immigration can, and do, act within the law and either deport or remove them and send them back to the port where they started their trip (And sometimes employer procecuted). No excuses!

There are similar problems in Australia with "whites" and "Aborigines", similar too in New Zealand with "whites" and "Maori". Notice a trend there?

Klaatu

Anything is possible between two people.

Klaatu

Convince me of what, climate changes (Given the "experts" don't even full know all variables and how the system works), or that we ARE the cause, via Co2 emissions, of this "recent damaging, rapid runaway warming"?

Martin2005

Well I guess the big debating point in the scientific community is whether GW is man-made or not. Therefore what would convince you either way?

I think we've moved 'off topic' quite a bit here

Klaatu

Agreed, so I'll refrain.

PeteBrant

They aren't. Murders are mainly commited by white people. as is most crime. This is mainly due to White people outnumbering black people by around 10:1 in this country.

Although I am sure someone like gatty will show up to tell us that black people commit more crime proportionally, without stopping to think why.

Borat_Drives_A_Scooby

I wouldn`t, live and let live i say.

It would mean me reporting myself

mrtheedge2u2

Ok... seems to be having two threads in one.

GW - not really arsed about it to be honest.

The reason I left the country is that it seems to be turning into a country of idiots run by even bigger morons!

OllyK

In absolute terms you may be right, but in terms of their percentage representation in the general propulation crime is very high amongst you black men.

Blacks account for approximately 2% of the overall population - National Statistics Online but account for 15% of the prison population - BBC NEWS | UK | The prison population

The reasons for this are of course open for discussion, but I doubt it's a straight forward as some may like to think.