i didnt mean literally

 

Neither Egyiptians or ancient Greeks were, as a race christian

My statement is accurate though I can't quote. I seem to recall it was from the old testament which would mean 'church' isn't the right word. I'm a bit jumbled up with the chronology after the first couple of chapters. I think at the time I was trying to make sense of the timeline and now have forgot what goes where.

 

Nope but they were around before the christians and so therefore was the knowledge, if you want to show that they denied the pre-existing knowledge then fair play!

Sorry but I'm going to call BS. If it's the old testament then it's the Jews not the Christians and the Sabbath is saturday not sunday and it's a synagogue not a church. The new testament or new covenant is the primary book for the christians and supercedes the old testament and as I indicated before, that in itself is inconsistent. There are plenty of online bibles with search facilities so it should be too hard for you to cite you claim.

 

Well I've just read through it all, and can't for the life of me see what caused it to be vaped, apart maybe from Suresh's usual baiting of Moses (who dialled his usual rhetoric back quite admirably)
It all seems like pretty reasoned intelligent debate, which in itself is novel for any subject in this place

Here's my two pennorth for what it's worth anyway, I have yet to see anything in any religion, major or minor, that leads me to believe that they are anything other than a means of keeping populations under control.
However, just as I believe it to be arrogant in the extreme to dismiss the possibility of life existing elsewhere in the universe, I also believe denial of a God's existence, based solely on the fact it hasn't been proven he does exist is fr want of a better term bad science
We are already aware that there is a vast amount that we don't know, this is just another item on that list as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, for the record, in the Middle Ages it was generally accepted by both Islam and Christianity that the earth was round. The Flat Earth Society was a fictional creation by Washington Irving, given new life by yet another bunch of American wierdos

 

what put us here if there's no God?

 

I think that's the whole point of the thread.

Nobody knows the answer to that.

Some people think that "God" put us here.

Others don't know what put us here but have grown out of believing in fairy tales written thousands of years ago .

One things for sure - there weren't any books around when we first stepped on the planet - all the story books claiming the various gods were written a good time after the first human was born.

Maybe we all had much better memories in those days and passed on the teaching of the lord(s) subliminally until one of us could write it all down for everyone else to follow.

Then again - it's more likely just a load of old cods wallop

 

It was boring for the mods.

 

God doesn't answer any questions, it just moves it one step. If the universe needs an intelligent creator, why doesn't the creator of the universe also need an intelligent creator and so on? If you claim it doesn't, then by the same reasoning the universe doesn't need one either.

 

What if god was one of us?

 

you mean just a slob like one of us?

Dan

 

I mean, just a stranger on a bus

 

The unnecessary preaching posts were (rightly) deleted at my request, which is why you have a skewed view of events and jump to the wrong conclusions, as usual

 

Now that is interesting and was something i didn't know.

 

Right then gentlemen........lets not beat around the bush....


If god created the universe, then who or what the **** created him?



DJ Vinyl Ritchie............that's got me, DJVR- one of the greatest, fookin' stumped

 

I want to hear from any of the 21 disciples in this poll who are 100% sure, that is ABSOLUTELY certain, that God exists. Can somebody please step forward to explain how you reached that conclusion. I want to know why there is ZERO chance that this all happened as a result of scientific events. Anyone? Please?

 

I'll strick my head over the parapet and you can laugh at me as you wish. I simply do not think it is credible that in the whole universe the only "life" form that exists is man on earth living in a limited number of dimensions and that things like the beauty of nature are just chance events. I believe there is something else that we cannot begin to understand and that is what I choose to call God. This is my personal belief having considered the matter on and off for about 50 years. dl

 

I kind of covered this a few posts back. "God did it" isn't an answer, it just moves the question. The usual response to "who/ what created god" is something like "god's always been around", my question then is why is the same not possible for the universe.

It's also worth considering that the big bang may not actually be the start of it all, but may merely be the transition from an energy only universe to one that contains both matter and energy.

 

I guess that would be called "faith".

 

Are you claiming an intelligence that guided it all or are you just wondering at how amazing reality / chance is and labelling that god?

 

Agreed. Another important question "Is there a beginning and an end of time ?". I don't think that either science or religion successfully answers this,
unless you extrapolate the information from the Bible (ie the generations starting from Adam), which suggests the Planet itself it only 6000 years old.
Unlikely, I think.

 

Sounds like you believe in "Aliens".

As do I .

But I don't think they created everything - they are just existing - Like us.

 

"Do not think it is credible" in nowhere NEAR being 100% sure. Not even close. Are you intentionally denying yourself the possibility, no matter how faint, that it really was/is a once in a lifetime, literally, chain of events?

 

Think you will find its called Faith!

No i wasn't one of them i chose option 2!

 

Or indeed as I prefer "Brain Washing".

Where does "Faith" come from ?

Are you born with it - is it a "gift" from God ?

What happened to mine ?

 

We all have free will, its very hard to 'brain wash' people, yes minority of people in the world are suseptable to brainwashing, just look at some cults. faith is something you find in youself simple as!! Yes the church try to instill faith but its their view and as stated man has free will (given by god according to the bible if you have faith). People with faith do question there faith!

Faith comes from within - it takes many forms not just religious. When you hammer your car around back lanes you have faith in your ability to control the car for example.

 

From Wikipedia
Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Faith can refer to any of a number of ideas, including:[1]:

• Confidence in a person or thing (e.g. "I have faith that he will keep his promise");
• Adherence to an obligation of loyalty to a person, organization, or idea (e.g. "I will be faithful to my spouse.");
• Belief in a proposition or belief system without proof (e.g. "I have faith that God exists.");
• Holding to things your reason has once accepted, in spite of your changing moods [2];

I have faith that Pards can stop Charlton being relegated. Doesn't mean I believe it 100% though.

 

Oooh - don't know about that - looking around the World I'd say it looks pretty easy to brainwash people.

 

See my edited post smart **** i put a similar thing in just before you were writing this post. i added:

Faith comes from within - it takes many forms not just religious. When you hammer your car around back lanes you have faith in your ability to control the car for example. and i also added People with faith do question it.

 

I neither know where to look for it, or remember the wording used to describe it. It may be that it was in the run up to Sodom and Gomorrah getting a kicking, or just before the Arc was built possibly. God was in a huff at the time that's for sure

I'm not going to look it up, i just can't be bothered and don't really care. I may even have misinterpreted that part though I doubt it. I'll leave it there.

As for the shape. Was it not the case, that it was believed Colombus was going to fall off the end of the world when he went the wrong way round to to pick up some tea or whatever it was he was off to the shops for?

 

From my reading, the big bang created / transformed time to how we "know" it today. Religion doesn't even attempt to answer these kinds of question, the answer is just "god did it". Thankfully some people thought there may be more to it than that and went of and investigated.