I may have missed that bit, but what makes you right and them wrong and what about those that believe in more than 1 god as many do?

We're not talking about artificial insemination when we say that self replicating polymenrs have been recreated in the labs, we really are talking about the pre-cursors to RNA and life itself.

The trouble is, not all christians agree with you. Some really do think of A&E as fact and not allegory. Also many christians mix up (perhaps intentionally) evolution and abiogenesis.

I wasn't aware of having accused you of such, I've tended to be generalist in my references to "conversion"

I am not aware of attacking people's beliefs directly, I haven't resorted to name calling and such. I do however get fustrated with your approach. If you look at how you debate in many of the political dicsussions you expect people to back up the claims they make, and yet when it comes to religion you want to operate by a different set of rules. Can you not see how inconsistent this appears? Maybe I should take a similar approach in some of the political conversations and see if you become equally fustrated?

I applaud the use of the scientific method, it is IMO the only consistent way to improve the quality of life for humanity. Try applying the scientifc method to your belief system and see what happens. Or are you calling "special case" and ignoring it?

Are you saying that everything else should remain in the past? Or again, are you just singling religion out as a special case?

 

Totally agree that position 7.isn't rational Gary. The Dawkins book is pretty hard going I'd agree there too!

 

BBC NEWS | Magazine | O come all ye faithful? - some interesting points in this article

 

Why no dinosaurs in the Ark Yet fossils everywhere and not just in Volvos.

The Da Vinci Code is a top fable too But read by millions

 

leslie mate we believers here r a tolerant bunch thats why i say if someone believes he or she came fae monkeys, us as humans should let them believe whit they wanna and God willing they will come tae their senses one days

did u know pigs have a similiar heart and organs tae us, does that make them descendants of pigs tae, i think not and also show me something that happens by chance, i get a hard on if u get rubbed or flirted wae and a persons *** after a sh1te doesnt get wiped or washed itself, see how i make thinks easy that way someone made an effort tae make this world and the beautiful creation

just look at oor children, they just didnt happen by chance, we made an effort and God blessed them wae a structure of bone , flesh, blood and eyes and beautiful tiny feet and fingers

i can go on but hey let them talk and i got many a books here they can read but they dont and my cut and pastes will get deleted


peace bros

 

Here's a question for the believers.

Can God make something that "he" cannot move ?

If the answer is Yes then "he" cannot be all powerful.

If the answer is No then "he" cannot be all powerful.

Therfore "he" cannot be all powerful and therefore "he" cannot exist.

 

one of the most silliest questions i ever heard

its like asking a man tae give birth tae a baby or a women tae grow a ding dong naturally

i say tae u, God cant dae everything he cant make anything he cant move, he is the omnipotent if he cant move it, lol he wont be God, also he cant even make another uncreated, coz anything he makes is created and his creation

a silly question indeed

i dont blame u mate, at least u asked, thats nice indeed

see u r seeing God the way u have been taught when u woz small, man made God in his own image etc, so he must have a massive ding dong, God forgive me for saying that, a nose , a mouth, he must eat and dae the toilet

no he made man in his own image as the image as in design, he created man in the best design, if someone makes a car, he says i made it in my own image or imagination, it dont mean that man is a car does it, he created the ferrari or evo etc in what he imagined and the image in his mind


so i dont blame u if God according tae yer mind is like a man and who reject him

we r taught whatever u believe God is or looks like, he aint that, he is the unseen and unimaginable

 

Well Moses - that's one thing we can definately agree on

 

Are you suggesting we club together and 'buy' god via a western union money transfer?

I'm not sure i'm all to keen on enslaving the omnipotent, it sounds like a risky game not to mention highly immoral.

 

Hey I believe in powerful cars and the odd bottle of Shiraz too!

I'm not keen on the the phrase "belief system" either but I think the word "atheist" has negative connotations... i.e. you don't believe anything and so it could be mistaken for apathy. Humanism allows me to believe in the the basic good nature of humans and therefore is an optimistic approach to life.

 

The old testament claims Adam lived to be over 900years old, Noah by account built the Ark at a mighty 400 and odd years old (mental image of yoda "hmmm, ark I must build" sorry always comes to mind)

At the time the ark sailed there were many of the grand children to Adam and Eve that weren't invited as memory serves me, yet no mention of them at all being left to drown.

God used to regularly turn up to strike vengeance and generally throw a fit, as society grows to understand nature more it seems to follow that this is recorded less and less.

Combined with the fact we know the earth to be around 6billion years old and dinosaurs to have existed the evidence is pretty overwhelming in rebuttal or that case. That is just a couple of well known things, imagine how many other drastic inconsistencies there are.


The new testament was written hundreds of years after the events by people who knew the earth was flat and the stars were lanterns hanging in the sky. The religion demands unquestionable faith. Gallaleo (sp) was put under house arrest by the church (as such) for proving the world revolved around the sun and wasn't the center of the universe. One of the big bases of Christianity at the time.

When something is proved irrefutably the church just says, oh yeah, we were wrong about that but we're right about everything else.

I wonder how many people remember that missing church on a sunday is an unforgivable sin, as are quite a few other things we all do in daily life. You can't enter heaven after committing one of those sins, i think that's a fair whack more than 99% of the population out. Where's the fire and brimstone?

I think even the tiny portion of inconsistencies above combined with what we've learned about the universe and world in which we live justify complete disregard (that's not the word i'm looking for 'proved wrong' or something) for Christian teachings, obviously can't argue with the morals but then I think that's the point, which has become a side note.

I can't judge other religions the same without knowing more about them, but as they all run on fairly similar ground and theology doesn't interest me I'm not going to bother finding out more.

That is why I am an atheist (it's also not an attempt at converting those that will disagree, rather the rational behind my position).

Combine that with the inquisition, the crusades, northern ireland, current extremists, *****, the israel situation etc etc etc. I see it as a fair political stance to be against religion of all forms. It's certainly worse than soft drugs, though not quite as bad as new labour I feel that you will see more of that attiude these days as people are opening their eyes up to the possibility that god doesn't exist and want to be free of it. Same idea as womens lib, or ending slavery.

Oops, didn't mean to get that carried away!

Dave

 

Which god? Not all gods claim to be omnipotent! I won't go in to the deeper reasoning of why what you claim is flawed, a google should answer that for you.

 

Old claims and wrong I'm afraid:
fossil record - Google Search

Stacks of evidence refuting it, besides which the genetic record is bar far the more comprehensive evidence for evolution these days.

 

Oh atheists believe lots of things, just not the existence of a god.
Theism - a belief in a god or gods
athesim - the lack of a belief in a god or gods.

That's all there is to it, no reason why atheists can't be humanist or abide by some other moral code.

 

Loads - Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon

Not strictly true, the earliest gospels date from about 90 years after the date christ is thought to have died.

Again not true, the ancient egyptians & greeks were well aware the earth was not flat.

Really? Care to quote the chapter and verse from the bible that says that?

Again not true, but it kind of depends on your flavour of Christianity. If you accept Jesus Christ then any sin can be forgiven, although that is somewhat contradicted as blasphemy is often stated as being the only unforgiveable sin: Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:29, Luke 12:10 but is contradicted by Acts 13:39 "And by him all that believe are justified from all things. " so we're back to accept JC and anything can be forgiven again.

Much of the christian moral code is based on the 10 commandments which were handed down to moses long before JC came along. If we're being honest many of the things covered in the 10Cs were already covered by other civilisations such as the Egyptians or the Mians anyway.

Shame, you may be amazed what you find out. I get accused of having a rather hard line view on religion, but I have taken the time to study a good number of them at least a surface level. Christianity I do admit I have delved in to rather deeper.

I'm not sure that finding christianity inconsistent is the best reason for being an atheist. Many on here have said their beilief is in a personal god rather than one tied to a given religion. You may do well to consider that even if you dismiss it so that you can at least honestly say you have considered all the options, otherwise it's a bit like looking at a Reliant Robin and saying all cars are crap.

 

It's actually quite refreshing to see that vast majority of people who responded to the poll are firmly in the atheist camp. Sadly I doubt this is reflected yet in the country as a whole.

As OllyK has pointed out, one of the most frustrating aspects of religion is that it's somehow off-limits to challenge someones "faith" and that there has to be a tacit acceptance that it operates by a different set of rules. Grow a beard, don some robes and claim that God your creator talks to you during prayer...that's something to be respected (supposedly). Shave your head, cover yourself in tin-foil and claim to be talking to yoru creator via the microwave and you'd probably get sectioned, though I can't see the difference personally.

Essentially all "faith" is simply an attempt to make a virtue out of belief without evidence, which if applied to any other area of human thinking would simply be branded as prejudice.

Gary.

 

mate did u ever read my reply tae u yrs back, other folks hijacked the thread and it got deleted


mate i dont blame anyone rejecting God if all they saw woz animal Gods, idol Gods or human Gods

i will reject them lol, theirs something greater and better and unseen

 

I saw one reply I think, but I only tend to look at scoobynet in the evenings so probably missed a lot (and the reply in question) before it got deleted.

When evidence is available I'll believe it, until then...

Gary.

 

For the same reason they wouldn't indulge in a debate with some alcoholic uneducated mental-case off of the street. He has nothing relevant to add to any debate.

 

I dont give a **** weather there is or isn't a god, as long as I get payed every Friday so I can feed my family is all I need LOL. Also I dont think there is any proof, just hearsay and some old book of bull**** LOL, but each to their own. If your religious then that's your choice.

 

gary mate the evidence is u , yerself the beautiful human being God makes , the eyesight, how u heal and how u breathe and how yer body fights back the diseases and yer resistance and patience and the taste of food and the blessings of feeling and touching

man which good things will u deny when u look ootside wae yer eyes and see the glory of God and his colours, green, yellow, blue sky the creation of how a bird gets up and fetches food for its babies etc

that is the evidence, surely that didnt happen by chance. nothing u dae in life happens by chance mate till u make an effort


hey thats my pounds worth


if someone wants not tae believe in God its their choice , u cannae ram it doon their throats and also athiests shouldnt dae the same wae religious folk either


peace

 

Pious idiot with interest only mortgage RTMd

 

suresh i didnt call u nothing dude but dont insult me by calling me pious, i aint pious yet but a sinner


whits wrong wae interest only mortgage

u pay less lol and u invest mair
? confused

 

Usury.

 

I wouldn't deny that the world is a wonderful and varied place. But there are simpler and better explanations for our existance than "creation by a higher being".

It's easy to look at breathing, eyesight etc - marvel at it and say that "no way could it be created by chance". And of course the chances of a trillion atoms suddenly aligning themselves spontanously in the form of an eye is ridiculously small. But as the theory of evolution demonstrates (and as Dawkins points out many times in this book), such marvels and complexity can be created by many many small and gradual changes.

Gary.

 

i agree and the ones who take usury aff innocent folks may they burn in hell


i aint eating interest their eating mines, i cant get a good decent mortgage if i dont pay it


the one who takes interest is sinning far mair than the one paying it


also u dont believe in that anyways and u r a banker arent u

also for the money i borrow for business suresh, will tell u personally only way i can get massive funds is if i get a self certified mortgage

if i went tae banks and they saw i had many mortgages i wont get a mortgage , my hands r tied

 

 

The God thread is back. Ergo, God exists!

 

i havnt read any of it yet, where do i start?

 

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