It worked yesterday. Maybe a problem with that website....?

Sounds like the cars flying Rob. Must try to get to another hill climb before I go on holiday.

Also thinking about entering another event, a Nat B. Loton would be good, will have to check their website...

 

Me neither now.
I looked at them early this morning, and they really are good, especially the ones coming out of top Esses; the audi looks just so 'racing car' its unreal.

Are you now converted Pete?

Here is a racer I designed some while ago for someone on 22b:

Or is this yours!?


Prodrive WRC shell being prepped, stunning welding.

Graham.

 

Yes i want that Audi!!!! such a buzz to drive

 

Finaly got the Shelsley from video uploaded.

Final Run, 1.80 Launch, 98 mph ess approach, time of 30.37.

Enjoy!

MySpaceTV: rob shelsley 14/7 by rob

Rob.

 

excelent pics.

Shelsley Walsh 14-07-07 - Practice - Shelsley Walsh_07-07-14_466

Shelsley Walsh 14-07-07 - Practice - Shelsley Walsh_07-07-14_220

 

You drive the hill very different to me Rob, will try your technique next time.
Graham.

 

Can you elaborate mate? I'm interested.

Rob.

 

Rob and I drive it about the same, I didnt think there was another way to do it in our type of cars? 1st,2nd,3rd into kennel, 3rd grab 4th before crossing hold 4th through crossing and up to bottom ess, 2nd through bottom ess stay as far left as possible between esses hang it through top ess and switch the radio on up the straight.

how do you do it graham?

 

Since the mods Rob:

You hit it hard off the start as we all do and get to 3rd quicker than me (torque and power get you there asap) possibly 3 car lengths before me.
Though Kennel (the first bend i mean) you sound as if you lift/hovver on the throttle in 3rd then hit it as you go by the Recticell barriers. I try very hard to keep accellerating through there (but I doubt I do)

We are both flat hard in 3rd through to Crossing then you can pull 4th jest getting it in, I cannot do that and expect it to spool up hard in 4th to get grip so have to wait till after the bend to go.
I'm sure I leave a bib-full of time there.

The straight looks just like mine except you do it all in 4th where I do 3rd/4th.

Braking looks the same but I try to hit it hard between the esses which seems to unsettle my car; possibly the dccd?

The finish straight really shows the torque and power Rob compared to my Sti.

Anyway, just an observation.

In the 911 last sunday the runs were rather different to what I've become acustomed to!

38.5 in the damp on 1A's, class winner did 36.00 on wet slicks.
Absolutly no drama moments either, but i would die if I bent it again, esp at Shelsley. Wings are now £500 each for the front, and £808 each for the rears!

 

I think in my car you could make 2 gearchanges in the entire run, perhaps another change if you needed 4th a little before the line (remember it can do 115+ in 3rd gear with enough revs).

August and it will be there.

 

2 changes?
Look forward to seeing it in person Paul and Rob's smile after!

Could this take the Tin top pole?

 

Start is section is a simple 1-2-3 for as long as possible, then lift for kennell, too much speed on to do anything but, get back on it in 3rd as soon a possible, 3rd gets to rev limit on entrance into crossing, take 4th and half throttle through crossing and plant it as soon as you dare. Brake too early into the esses, 2nd, on throttle too early, over steer, over steer, keep boot in anyway and up the straight you go.

The videos can be deceptive sometimes as anything but full throttle sounds like no throttle at all.

The area for improvement for me is a later and more definate braking and turn in point to the esses and keeping a smooth momentum through at a high speed rather than the ragged sideways all throttle or nothing that I seem to do now, but the red mist is what seems to realise me quick times so I need to find a compromise, when I try to be smoother I just tend to go slow. I try and improve things one at a time and crossing was it this weekend so hopefuly driving it like that will now be second nature and I can concentrate on the other areas next time and try and get into the hallowed closed roof sub 30 second club, which is just crazy.

 

Off the line, change up to second, then third, complete course only in third gear, use left foot braking all the way (no clutch except launch). Unless of course the car is demon quick, and we might need 4th some time before the line.

What's the situation with a side exit exhaust? Anyone know if that would create a problem with the scrute?

 

Just has to pass the noise test Paul.

Leniency is often commonplace, scrutineer does not have the authority to deny you, he only makes a recomendation to CoC.

--john--

 

But the CoC can stop you. (and will if too much)

You will get a warning first time.
If you can pass a Donnington track noise test you will be ok.

My street car will hit 98 db @ 2/3's red-line. The assistant watches the tacho during the test that free revs the engine for about 3 to 5 seconds.
The meter is 1 meter from the exhaust @ about 45 deg to the axis of the pipe.

If you have Nox Paul on the car make sure you have absolutly no kind of connections made. Regular pump fuel too (ie Vmax).
Rob knows all the stuff needed and the routine at Shelsley which is a bit strange on practice day compared to other climbs.

I look forward to it.
If I get an entry!

 

You would definatley need 2nd gear through the esses, and somebody who can left foot brake to drive it!

I think it's 104db max at Shelsley so as long as it makes less than that at 2/3rds revs your ok.

 

Not sure where the left foot braking comes into it unless they need a bit of warmth to bite, but it will be facinating none the less.
Drive it like you stole it Rob, 'cause you will want it after!

I think Roger reads this.

 

The side exit exhaust wont matter as they dont sound test on the hill like prescott, and i think they wont mind if its over the db rating, i drove my dads audi with the antilag fireing off and we where 111db the bloke just said he would put it down as 102db, but who knows they might jump on a new car they can be funny this hill climb lot!

Im glad your doing this paul cant wait to see it go! and hopefully stuff the a4 into the ground , i just cant wait to see the reaction in the class either. Good stuff

 

It will pave the way for next year Pete.

It may be seen as a one-off, but will show that a 600 ish bhp Impreza weighing nothing can cut it with a good driver.
Paul has the skills to build such a car, and i think you can buld an Impreza even lighter if dedicated to current hillclimb rules. (lighter cage for a start)

Best of all is I think the Zen car is road going (?)
If it were gutted as the A4 is then we just go further to the full racing class.

The short wheel base AUDI's have now had their day as we have the modern version in the Impreza's being put forward built in the same vein, and they should be quicker.

Will this event be at Shelsley?

 

Especially if it starts to beat the regular hillclimbers!

Andy

 

Good point! they only like newcomers if they are slow!

 

Pete you are SO right!

Richard

 

I would hope to be able to run the car with at least 700hp on the hill, without any nitrous fitted, and the weight will be <1100kg. This will initially will be Shelsey, in august. I am adding increased silencing to the car, but it should do okay in a drive-by, except of course the sound meter position is biased towards cars with a rear facing exhaust! I'll work on that too.

I'm looking forward to it, though I suspect, not as much as Rob!

Paul

 

Your damn right I'm looking forward to it.

I could do with driving it a bit first or I might not do the car justice and make a fool of myself in the process. It made me go cross eyed under acceleration at Bruntingthorpe which is a 2 mile runway, so God only knows what it would be like on a single track road.

Just how are you supposed to launch with 700+bhp?!?!?

 

I hope so, so he knows his dirty antics at Prescott did not go unoticed.

 

Paul:
At Shelsley and everywhere else barr Prescott the noise test is with the car still, just the engine revving in neutral with the meter 1 meter from the exhaust, where ever it may be.

NOX is not allowed.
Pump fuel is.
I am sure the rest of your car is fine. Rob knows all the small details ie the battery lead etc.
Remember the timing strut too.
Beware of any sponsorship of any Championship Rob may be entered in.
No stickers, no points.

I am looking forward to this one a lot. I am sure Rob is too.

The A4 pilot is not a shrinking violet.

 

I have a few new tricks for the launch, should be "easy"

 

When is this event?

 

I agree Roger is a good driver and the A4 is a purpose built hillclimb race car from it's 255 wide avon hill climb slicks up to it's twin turbo 4.2 v8 engine, all in a 1000kg package, not a piece of glass in it. And whilst were on launches it regulary pulls 1.7 launches with it's motec set up launch control, absolutley no expense has been spared to ensure it is a class winner.

Taking Paul's car up is not about beating the A4 they are chalk and cheese, it's about getting a proven winning fast track machine on a hill and see what it can do, an experiment if you like.

Although, if the impreza did turn out to be faster I'm sure camp A4 would pull out some dirty tricks to ensure they won anyway.

 

It will be an interesting experiment as nobody has put such a powerful Impreza on a UK hill, only John in Scotland, and i think that is about 500 bhp in 1100 Kg.
Think the A4 Rob is more than a tonne.

Martin:
I think it is the big 3 day meeting at Shelsley? (actually 2 day, Fri Sat + invitation only Sunday extravaganza!