The X5 has been rehashed
09 August 2006, 12:32 PM
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I can see all the compelling reasons to buy one, but its image isnt one of them, if there is a car with a worse image/reputation in the uk, please let me know. Its unfair but the X5 has become shorthand for Crass, Ignorant, aggressive, selfish and rude, that's not my opinion by the way, that just what people say about X5 owners behind their backs and give it another year the RR sport will go the same way especially with the additional SUV hating going on. Theres a dad at school that parks his RR sport on the pavement forcing mums into the road, parked on the approach road which is for residents only, theres an X5 that does it as well, plus a couple of other cars but those are he ones that get noticed because they are big and flashy.
Round our way, turn up at any given function in an X5 you may as well arrrive dressed as Gary Glitter, and the Cayenne even worse.
XC90 is the way to not look a tosser if you "need" an SUV, the new Disco doesnt seem to be as offensive either.
Having driven a few of them, X5, ML etc, I cant really see what all the fuss is about ?
Round our way, turn up at any given function in an X5 you may as well arrrive dressed as Gary Glitter, and the Cayenne even worse.
XC90 is the way to not look a tosser if you "need" an SUV, the new Disco doesnt seem to be as offensive either.
Having driven a few of them, X5, ML etc, I cant really see what all the fuss is about ?
09 August 2006, 12:42 PM
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lol......soooooo funny that people here care about us wanting/owning X5's yet no one gives a toss what they drive.
Who the **** can tell me what to drive around in???? If i want an X5 i'll buy one.....i had a 5 series and it was great - if i get 80% of that plus extra ride height (i love sittingin my wifes galaxy), space for the little kids in the back and a big chunky looking car then i'm happy......if i **** off a few ***** that cant seperate car from person then even better.
What did these idiots do when they were kids? Moan about how the Fall Guy could have bought a smaller truck because he didnt need the abilities of a pick up??????
Who the **** can tell me what to drive around in???? If i want an X5 i'll buy one.....i had a 5 series and it was great - if i get 80% of that plus extra ride height (i love sittingin my wifes galaxy), space for the little kids in the back and a big chunky looking car then i'm happy......if i **** off a few ***** that cant seperate car from person then even better.
What did these idiots do when they were kids? Moan about how the Fall Guy could have bought a smaller truck because he didnt need the abilities of a pick up??????
09 August 2006, 12:45 PM
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Maybe I will never "get" why you'd want a particular model BMW that is actually inferior in almost every way to its better yet cheaper counterpart.
Mind, I can't apply that logic to a 3series vs 5series, aside from the equivelent 5 being more money, the 5 is the far better car, so worth the extra over a 3series. The X5 isn't - apart from the daft excuses I've already mentioned
I understand the reasoning of going BMW over RR, as it's better all round. If it "has" to be an SUV, you also have to ask why an SUV in the first place. And that brings us back to the old and tired SUV vs car debate: Looks, height and ill-informed crash safety (which could be the reverse...just look at the Ncap for a Freelander or a old shape Isuzu/Frontera).
I darnt ask the average X5 buyer "why". Most will try a come up with some unsound reasoning. Face it, you would buy an x5 as an alternative on looks alone when parked alongside a E60 5-series sat there gurning at you, no matter how much better it is.
However, people still buy Imprezas regardless of looks from sublimnal advertising via WRC and mag reviews (before EVO and TG changed their minds - again 
) as well as image.
I'm glad that the sheep plump for X5s and 3series over 5-series anyway, seeing that I never buy new cars. Think about 5 series (or even 7 series)residuals vs X5 and 3series. If there is less 2nd hand demand, they are worth even less. Which means the saved money (from 2nd hand purchase and running) can be spent on something more special for the weekend (****** or cars, or depending on the mood, maybe both
).
Mind, I can't apply that logic to a 3series vs 5series, aside from the equivelent 5 being more money, the 5 is the far better car, so worth the extra over a 3series. The X5 isn't - apart from the daft excuses I've already mentioned
I understand the reasoning of going BMW over RR, as it's better all round. If it "has" to be an SUV, you also have to ask why an SUV in the first place. And that brings us back to the old and tired SUV vs car debate: Looks, height and ill-informed crash safety (which could be the reverse...just look at the Ncap for a Freelander or a old shape Isuzu/Frontera).
I darnt ask the average X5 buyer "why". Most will try a come up with some unsound reasoning. Face it, you would buy an x5 as an alternative on looks alone when parked alongside a E60 5-series sat there gurning at you, no matter how much better it is.
However, people still buy Imprezas regardless of looks from sublimnal advertising via WRC and mag reviews (before EVO and TG changed their minds - again ) as well as image.I'm glad that the sheep plump for X5s and 3series over 5-series anyway, seeing that I never buy new cars. Think about 5 series (or even 7 series)residuals vs X5 and 3series. If there is less 2nd hand demand, they are worth even less. Which means the saved money (from 2nd hand purchase and running) can be spent on something more special for the weekend (****** or cars, or depending on the mood, maybe both
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09 August 2006, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
Ahhh so now it become clear. Your just not confident enough, or competent enough with your driving skills hence requiring a ltaller ride height. Im not sure if you belong on the roads realy.
I think I'll go and buy a 911, that means I will be a competent confident driver.............no wait............I'll buy Hummer, but that means I will have no confidence or competence................no wait...............I want to be more competent.............I think I'll buy a ******* Grand Prix car.
****.
09 August 2006, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shark Man
ill-informed crash safety (which could be the reverse...just look at the Ncap for a Freelander or a old shape Isuzu/Frontera).
Just to officially shoot this red herring:
From the NCAP FAQ:
20. Are large cars safer than small cars?
In frontal impacts between cars, the occupants of the heavier car or the one with higher structures tend to fare better than those travelling in lighter lower cars. It should be noted though that higher vehicles tend to be less stable and consequently more likely to be involved in accidents, particularly those involving loss of control, where overturning or an impact with a roadside obstacle may occur. These effects are currently impossible to overcome. As most people decide on the size of the car to buy for other reasons, Euro NCAP only makes comparisons within size categories. The rating of a car within its size category is a function of the quality of its safety design.
21. Can results be compared between different categories of cars?
No. Results should only be compared within the same group. The frontal testing method mirrors a crash between two similar sized cars. The Euro NCAP tests cannot be used to predict the outcome of such crashes between cars of different heights and masses.
**** the theory, I'd like to see the official statistics for the number of SUVs that have overturned in situations where a normal car would not. Apart from the old Suzuki, I suspect there are very few.
09 August 2006, 01:01 PM
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My X5 has a 5 star Ncap for Adult Occupancy.........pedestrians didn't fair to well though..........hope I don't bump into any Audi drivers out buying thier copy of 'Saloons for the Over 60's'
09 August 2006, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by hail-hail
My X5 has a 5 star Ncap for Adult Occupancy.........pedestrians didn't fair to well though..........hope I don't bump into any Audi drivers out buying thier copy of 'Saloons for the Over 60's'
Tell that to the next audi RS driver you see.
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Originally Posted by Shark Man
the 5 is the far better car.
not for me its not......i want a car that looks like an X5. i have seen an X5 next to a 5 series and the X5 is clearly better at looking like an X5. I even tried this test in different light conditions as i wanted to be sure.
09 August 2006, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hail-hail
lol, wft has driving skill got to do with what car you buy and why you buy it.
I think I'll go and buy a 911, that means I will be a competent confident driver.............no wait............I'll buy Hummer, but that means I will have no confidence or competence................no wait...............I want to be more competent.............I think I'll buy a ******* Grand Prix car.
****.
I think I'll go and buy a 911, that means I will be a competent confident driver.............no wait............I'll buy Hummer, but that means I will have no confidence or competence................no wait...............I want to be more competent.............I think I'll buy a ******* Grand Prix car.
****.
09 August 2006, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Just to officially shoot this red herring:
From the NCAP FAQ:
20. Are large cars safer than small cars?
In frontal impacts between cars, the occupants of the heavier car or the one with higher structures tend to fare better than those travelling in lighter lower cars. It should be noted though that higher vehicles tend to be less stable and consequently more likely to be involved in accidents, particularly those involving loss of control, where overturning or an impact with a roadside obstacle may occur. These effects are currently impossible to overcome. As most people decide on the size of the car to buy for other reasons, Euro NCAP only makes comparisons within size categories. The rating of a car within its size category is a function of the quality of its safety design.
21. Can results be compared between different categories of cars?
No. Results should only be compared within the same group. The frontal testing method mirrors a crash between two similar sized cars. The Euro NCAP tests cannot be used to predict the outcome of such crashes between cars of different heights and masses.
**** the theory, I'd like to see the official statistics for the number of SUVs that have overturned in situations where a normal car would not. Apart from the old Suzuki, I suspect there are very few.
From the NCAP FAQ:
20. Are large cars safer than small cars?
In frontal impacts between cars, the occupants of the heavier car or the one with higher structures tend to fare better than those travelling in lighter lower cars. It should be noted though that higher vehicles tend to be less stable and consequently more likely to be involved in accidents, particularly those involving loss of control, where overturning or an impact with a roadside obstacle may occur. These effects are currently impossible to overcome. As most people decide on the size of the car to buy for other reasons, Euro NCAP only makes comparisons within size categories. The rating of a car within its size category is a function of the quality of its safety design.
21. Can results be compared between different categories of cars?
No. Results should only be compared within the same group. The frontal testing method mirrors a crash between two similar sized cars. The Euro NCAP tests cannot be used to predict the outcome of such crashes between cars of different heights and masses.
**** the theory, I'd like to see the official statistics for the number of SUVs that have overturned in situations where a normal car would not. Apart from the old Suzuki, I suspect there are very few.
Contrary to that FAQ. It's not a quite a red Herring though. Although there are inherantly SUVs that are more stronger than a small/medium or even a large car. There are those which clearly are not.
The freelander has a front structure no different to a car, but it is also a weak/poor design, so does fare badly.
The Frontera is body on ladder chassis, so "should" be strong. However, due to poor/thin materials/spot welds. It isn't.
You could reverse the comparison with a MCC Smart - which can "out-crash" larger vehicles. Would be interesting which would fare better in a Smart vs Freelander in a front o/s head on
(observe the public tests with a C-class merc which are highly impressive).My point being, regardless of vehicle catagory, strength and safety no longer applies as its more to do with design and material useage/quality. So the "SUV is safer" addage is outdated.
I will agree they don't flip. New generation monocoque chassis with full front and rear independent suspension has addressed 90% of this. It even takes quite some effort and stupidity to flip over old generation 4x4s such as a Range Rover Classics and Old Discoveries or Defender 110/90 (usually underinflated tyres and grossely over-exaggerated steering input and no ARBs - as demonstared by 5th gear
). However they do suffer an issue that usually flips them over, which is when a front suspension tower/spring collapses upon cornering (seen it happen travelling as slow as 20mph). Getting quite common now on old Discoveries and old Rangies, as alot on the road are getting old and rusty.
09 August 2006, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by The Snug Rhino
not for me its not......i want a car that looks like an X5. i have seen an X5 next to a 5 series and the X5 is clearly better at looking like an X5. I even tried this test in different light conditions as i wanted to be sure.
Thankyou, now just need to get Diablo to accept that he bought his SUV on looks and image and nothing else
I don't mind if people admit to that. It's when they deny it I start off
09 August 2006, 01:35 PM
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Jeez, now you're comparing new cars with 15 year old ones?? In that case I'd prefer to be in an old jeep that falls over than an old saloon whose steering column stabs me in the chest, thanks 
Much as I also hate Chelsea Tractors, I really have never seen a sensible argument on scoobynet against them that doesn't boil down to a bunch of biased facts presented by someone who simply can't get over the fact that someone else chooses to buy a car that he doesn't like. Until we are ruled by the Politburo and are all issued a Trabant for 5 years service, a Lada for 10 and a Volga for 20, you'll all just have to live with that.
There is no true petrolhead that will ever win such an argument, by definition - as the true petrolhead will also want a 300bhp car that has crap emissions, does over twice the legal speed limit, eats tyres when driven "properly", and statistically IS involved in (and is guilty of) far more accidents than any SUV. Why do you think they are all insurance group 18+, when many SUVs aren't? It's not a finger-in-wind calculation.
This argument on the Guardian website or a cycling campaign might have some merit. On scoobynet, it's pointless and all about who likes which car, nothing more.
Much as I also hate Chelsea Tractors, I really have never seen a sensible argument on scoobynet against them that doesn't boil down to a bunch of biased facts presented by someone who simply can't get over the fact that someone else chooses to buy a car that he doesn't like. Until we are ruled by the Politburo and are all issued a Trabant for 5 years service, a Lada for 10 and a Volga for 20, you'll all just have to live with that.
There is no true petrolhead that will ever win such an argument, by definition - as the true petrolhead will also want a 300bhp car that has crap emissions, does over twice the legal speed limit, eats tyres when driven "properly", and statistically IS involved in (and is guilty of) far more accidents than any SUV. Why do you think they are all insurance group 18+, when many SUVs aren't? It's not a finger-in-wind calculation.
This argument on the Guardian website or a cycling campaign might have some merit. On scoobynet, it's pointless and all about who likes which car, nothing more.
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Originally Posted by Shark Man
image and nothing else
but thats clearly not the case.....i am not picking an X5 on image alone - i am picking it on image OVER a 5 series. The x5 still has be a great car - and i belive it is.
on "geeky ****** car forum techy stats" criteria i rate the 5 series as a 9/10 car and the X5 as 8/10 - a 1/10 difference is sod all to me and no reason to pick the car i dont want on looks over the one i do want.
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Originally Posted by hail-hail
A 5 series is not better in every way, ok it's cheaper, you made that point clear. But so is an astra van.
Faster........depends which one you buy
Better ride quality.........no
better driving experience and feel..........no
so other than two things that are purley subjective....it's cheaper
Is it so hard to believe that a people opt for a vehicle on other things than cost...........the one thing I love about my X5 is the high ride height and the fact that this does not overly affect the handling, it still drives like a car.
Faster........depends which one you buy
Better ride quality.........no
better driving experience and feel..........no
so other than two things that are purley subjective....it's cheaper
Is it so hard to believe that a people opt for a vehicle on other things than cost...........the one thing I love about my X5 is the high ride height and the fact that this does not overly affect the handling, it still drives like a car.
The current X5 does NOT offer a better drive than the current 5, if you think it does then you like presumably like body roll and less precision in a car. Most people woundn't agree. The ride height does affect handling because while it's still very good for an SUV it's inferior to the 5.
The ride height argument I can sort of understand, until you actually use one in the environment most owners are in. Driving one through the city centre in traffic the only advantage it conferred was to see across a few cars to the next SUV/VAN/Truck or bus. More or less useless.
Where I did find it useful was on country lanes where I could see further and over hedgerows. I submit that as few owners will spend their lives driving these roads the argument is a niche one at best.
Why they really like the increased ride height is that these people are just like short arsed blokes, inadequate in themselves with something to prove so they like to sit up higher in some kind of attempt to give themselves the psychological boost they so clearly need.
Most of these cars are purchased as trinkets and status symbols and as I've said before if you bought an X5 for this reason you fcuked up bigtime. The only SUV with any scumbag new money cachet is a Cayenne Turbo. All the X5 says is 'new build estate house, Harvester, holiday with Sandals and bleach blonde wife in a velour leisure suit'.
One poster mentioned that he'd like to buy one to annoy others, frankly I don't think that the X5 and it's demographic annoys other people as much as gives them a good target to despise.
People are perfectly free to choose them just as other people are perfectly free to stereotype said owners. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CAR.
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Jeez, now you're comparing new cars with 15 year old ones?? In that case I'd prefer to be in an old jeep that falls over than an old saloon whose steering column stabs me in the chest, thanks
Freelander is current
And I agreed about the flipping over is a thing of the past!
....As it only happens on old Rangies with rusty front Suspension towers or when driven by a tool with under-inflated tyres.
09 August 2006, 02:01 PM
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saw this:-
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2005-16.html
the other day and nearly started a new thread with it but this is the perfect thread to air it in
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2005-16.html
the other day and nearly started a new thread with it but this is the perfect thread to air it in
09 August 2006, 02:05 PM
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the tourage and cayenne are actually half decent offroaders when fitted with the right tyres, but the X5 is so ****in **** poor.
Look at how **** the X5 is in the snow.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...6503&q=quattro
Look at how **** the X5 is in the snow.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...6503&q=quattro
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i liked to know what the poeple slagging off the X5 drive...
...oh, hang on......i have my own life so dont care!
...oh, hang on......i have my own life so dont care!
09 August 2006, 02:10 PM
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Read in the Mirror a while ago that BMW US is warning customers of high repair costs on X5 and 6 Series models.
Being the Mirror I checked elsewhere to.
They use a special glue and alloy rivets on the vehicles and the repair costs are quite high.
Nothing being said in the UK though!
http://www.bmwusa.com/
Being the Mirror I checked elsewhere to.
They use a special glue and alloy rivets on the vehicles and the repair costs are quite high.Nothing being said in the UK though!
http://www.bmwusa.com/
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
the tourage and cayenne are actually half decent offroaders when fitted with the right tyres, but the X5 is so ****in **** poor.
Look at how **** the X5 is in the snow.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...6503&q=quattro
Look at how **** the X5 is in the snow.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...6503&q=quattro
A stock X5 once turned up to drive at one of our open off-road driving events.
He was definant about going, despite our jocular attitude and advice, he still wanted to go round.
However, when he laid eyes on a stricken and battered 88" past the axle in mud being "pushed" out the mud bog with a 90 v8. He quickly changed his mind and was off in a cloud of black smoke (diesel).
Mind, wise decision, without proper knobbly off-road tyres I wouldn't even entice the prospect of driving off road. The M+S tyres on stock defenders won't do anything productive in deep mud, god forbid a set of low priofles on 18" rims
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Originally Posted by Rabid
The current X5 does NOT offer a better drive than the current 5, if you think it does then you like presumably like body roll and less precision in a car. Most people woundn't agree. The ride height does affect handling because while it's still very good for an SUV it's inferior to the 5.
It is not why I bought the car. If I wanted a car with fantastically precise steering I wouldn't by a 5 either.
Originally Posted by Rabid
The ride height argument I can sort of understand, until you actually use one in the environment most owners are in.
Originally Posted by Rabid
Why they really like the increased ride height is that these people are just like short arsed blokes, inadequate in themselves with something to prove so they like to sit up higher in some kind of attempt to give themselves the psychological boost they so clearly need.
Originally Posted by Rabid
Most of these cars are purchased as trinkets and status symbols and as I've said before if you bought an X5 for this reason you fcuked up bigtime. The only SUV with any scumbag new money cachet is a Cayenne Turbo. All the X5 says is 'new build estate house, Harvester, holiday with Sandals and bleach blonde wife in a velour leisure suit'.
Originally Posted by Rabid
People are perfectly free to choose them just as other people are perfectly free to stereotype said owners. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CAR.
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A motorcyclist has died after he was in collision with a BMW X5 car.
The victim was riding his Harley Davidson along the A27 at Kanes Hill, near Southampton, when the BMW pulled out of a junction near Grove Farm.
The motorcyclist, a 50-year-old man from Fareham, was taken to Southampton General Hospital, where he later died.
The driver of the BMW, a 49-year-old man, was uninjured. Police are appealing for anyone who saw the crash on Wednesday afternoon to contact them.
Former England football star Paul Gascoigne has been involved in a road accident in his home town of Gateshead.
The 36-year-old former Newcastle and Glasgow Rangers player, was driving a four-wheel drive BMW, when the incident happened in the Dunston area of the town on Thursday.
A spokesman for Northumbria Police said Gascoigne, who recently turned out for a benefit match for struggling Darlington, was not seriously injured.
He said: "We can confirm footballer Paul Gascoigne was involved in a minor traffic collision this afternoon at 1548 GMT on Thursday.
"He was driving a BMW X5 car westbound on Wellington Road in Dunston, in Gateshead."
Two men have been treated in hospital after being attacked by a group of men in Northampton on Tuesday morning.
The incident happened in Bostock Avenue after an argument between the two men who were in a delivery van and the occupants of a black BMW X5 vehicle.
Manchester United's Wayne Rooney faces a charge of driving without due care and attention after an accident at a shopping centre.
The 19-year-old England striker's BMW X5 was in collision with a Nissan Primera driven by a 45-year-old woman.
Police are appealing for a woman who crashed her BMW car into a block of flats and drove off, to come forward.
The accident happened at Richard Reynolds Court on Dean Lane, Cadished, Gtr Manchester, on Monday afternoon.
A witness said the woman got out of the car, examined the damage and made a call on her mobile before driving off.
The vehicle she was driving is thought to be a BMW X5.
Two men in their mid-20s threatened a Securicor guard with a handgun as he delivered money to a cash point at the Jet garage on Doncaster Road.
They escaped in a waiting silver bmw, which they abandoned at the Ferryboat pub before switching to a BMW X5.
The victim was riding his Harley Davidson along the A27 at Kanes Hill, near Southampton, when the BMW pulled out of a junction near Grove Farm.
The motorcyclist, a 50-year-old man from Fareham, was taken to Southampton General Hospital, where he later died.
The driver of the BMW, a 49-year-old man, was uninjured. Police are appealing for anyone who saw the crash on Wednesday afternoon to contact them.
Former England football star Paul Gascoigne has been involved in a road accident in his home town of Gateshead.
The 36-year-old former Newcastle and Glasgow Rangers player, was driving a four-wheel drive BMW, when the incident happened in the Dunston area of the town on Thursday.
A spokesman for Northumbria Police said Gascoigne, who recently turned out for a benefit match for struggling Darlington, was not seriously injured.
He said: "We can confirm footballer Paul Gascoigne was involved in a minor traffic collision this afternoon at 1548 GMT on Thursday.
"He was driving a BMW X5 car westbound on Wellington Road in Dunston, in Gateshead."
Two men have been treated in hospital after being attacked by a group of men in Northampton on Tuesday morning.
The incident happened in Bostock Avenue after an argument between the two men who were in a delivery van and the occupants of a black BMW X5 vehicle.
Manchester United's Wayne Rooney faces a charge of driving without due care and attention after an accident at a shopping centre.
The 19-year-old England striker's BMW X5 was in collision with a Nissan Primera driven by a 45-year-old woman.
Police are appealing for a woman who crashed her BMW car into a block of flats and drove off, to come forward.
The accident happened at Richard Reynolds Court on Dean Lane, Cadished, Gtr Manchester, on Monday afternoon.
A witness said the woman got out of the car, examined the damage and made a call on her mobile before driving off.
The vehicle she was driving is thought to be a BMW X5.
Two men in their mid-20s threatened a Securicor guard with a handgun as he delivered money to a cash point at the Jet garage on Doncaster Road.
They escaped in a waiting silver bmw, which they abandoned at the Ferryboat pub before switching to a BMW X5.
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Originally Posted by The Snug Rhino
not for me its not......i want a car that looks like an X5. i have seen an X5 next to a 5 series and the X5 is clearly better at looking like an X5. I even tried this test in different light conditions as i wanted to be sure.
09 August 2006, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hail-hail
I don't think anyone is arguing with the fact that there will be less precision and bodyroll in a 5 as opposed to X5. But I don't drive my X5 round a track where this would make a difference. I drive my X5 every day and I have yet to feel anything that resembles body roll, and I have yet to put it into a corner and feeling that I wished the steering was a ball hair more precise.
It is not why I bought the car. If I wanted a car with fantastically precise steering I wouldn't by a 5 either.
But I use it in the environment that I am always in. It doesnlt matter where it is being driven, high up is a nice place to be.
Every choice that is made is not about trying to stick a few inches on the end of our *****, I am quite sure surgery would cost less than 60k if required
Oh dear.......you really do think that everyone buys stuff just to try impress other people, it's a sad place to be.
Nice caveat, essentially negating all the tripe you have just posted
It is not why I bought the car. If I wanted a car with fantastically precise steering I wouldn't by a 5 either.
But I use it in the environment that I am always in. It doesnlt matter where it is being driven, high up is a nice place to be.
Every choice that is made is not about trying to stick a few inches on the end of our *****, I am quite sure surgery would cost less than 60k if required
Oh dear.......you really do think that everyone buys stuff just to try impress other people, it's a sad place to be.
Nice caveat, essentially negating all the tripe you have just posted
However like most X5 drivers you seem to feel the need to defend your choice of car and claim the stereotype isn't true. Is this because deep down it hurts you to think people think you're some sort of inadequate lower middle class wannabe with poor taste in cars? I have to assume it is.
No caveat, you could just as easily say Impreza drivers are fat, bald old men or that TT owners are rampant homosexuals. You'd be wrong in some cases I'm sure, but the stereotype exists.
Going back to the X5 as a car, I had one as a loaner, was unimpressed and much preferred the 5 which is a better car in every way. The point is you claimed the X5 was a better drive than the 5 which it isn't. Why is it a better drive? Because you can look at the back of a van instead of another car?