Gutmann pug

Of which month?

Nevetas

That ones in July

Rabid

Of course I have opinions on whether cars look good or bad, the fact I've been using two pig ugly vehicles makes no difference to the validity of my opinion. In fact as I agree both of them are as ugly as sin I'd have thought it makes my opinion all the more credible.

Gutmann pug

Bloody hell im there that weekend as well ...... Doesnt mean im going to have to see you twice this year in your old smoker does it NeVetas?

alloy

should be good

Tripple'O G

Great thing is Rabs is your opinion, even though it may be important in your own little world, doesn't matter out here does it.....as you can see from the other posts....and before you come back turning it around, or repeating yourself with some silly stat, you really are a loser........and I mean that from the bottom of my anus, where your brain's currently taking up space.....

Why come on here? because you think you actually wind people up.......the truth is, you've nothing better to do and that is a definate sign of a loser....

Back to the thread......

If the Zs pull up next to me and are smiling as if to say, "nice car mate" then thats fine........I'm talking to the ones that honestly think they are on a simliar level......

There's a big difference between 177 and 350.....even if it was handling on tracks there would be a contest....

Rabid

Being called a loser by some bugeye driving, road racing ned who feels he needs to start a thread about MG drivers 'looking at him funny' is hardly a problem.

Funny comments about them being on a similar level, from a pure drivers choice perspective they are actually on a higher level. Maybe they're looking across and thinking "look at that pr1ck in his ugly-eye Impreza, maybe I'll get the chance to hand him his *** on a plate in the 'twisties' "

Nevetas

I think so!!

Tripple'O G

Check non scoob related rabs....where you belong.....

Rabid

What are you talking about?

alloy

I'm not sure, but it could be this http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507209

Rabid

Priceless! I knew he was a sad **** what with his essex connection, road racing and bugeye inferiority complex (he usually beats the guy next to him-).

As I said on some other thread cripple'og is owned- now he made it official by posting a bleeding heart confession of ownage on another part of the board.

Shame he won't be replying as he's ignoring me-hahahaha! Officially bitch slapped-next!

alloy

...........nowt wrong with a bugeye though

Gutmann pug

You really are an angry young man ....

JTaylor

Without the same driver at the wheel you ought not to compare cars via track times. To give you a different perspective on the Evo 340 point, I was putting in 1.22s in October and I was really struggling to stay with a 340 - he was a better driver. Additionally, as far as lap times are concerned, power does count - particularly on the big long bits between the corners. By the way, 1.26 is a respectable time in a ZS, nice one.

Gutmann pug

All those times are pretty quick I have to say ......

JTaylor

http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=77111

1.23 in a standard (120bhp) Elise is very fooking quick. 1.12.5 in the Honda'd Exige is awesome. Quickest my wing man's recorded the Caterham boys (R500,400,300) is 1.14 in R400. He went past when I did my PB as if I was stood still!

Gutmann pug

Lets see some vids of the times then ...

JTaylor

They've got stacks of footage over there Gary (you cynical bugger) I'm sure they'd oblige. I don't question the times - although 1.23 in a 120bhp Elise is fooking blistering. Maybe I'd have a shoofty at that vid . I'm driving my *** off in the RA to do 1.22s, Dave Costa (one of the instructors) jumps in and does a 1.19 on his second lap in my car. You must have acheived some lap times that you thought were impossible at The' Ring after your 1200th outing.

powerwrx

iTrader: (11)

Suddenly the MG doesnt look to bad

Gutmann pug

Not cynical at all ......I've driven Combe a couple of times in the past and im genuinly impressed by the times quoted

Will have a good look later on


1.23 in 120bhp is amazing ....

mg driver

that pic of an mg isnt a zs its a zr (mg version of rover 25).
obviously the biggest factor is the driver but the evo driver had vastly more track experience than me(in cars anyway).....and yes of course big power makes a difference on track but better brakes ,suspension ,tyres will give a bigger reduction in lap time than another 100 bhp to a good driver,i followed a vx 220 turbo from camp to avon rise , and in that long flat out section he pulled 2 car lengths on me despite having a much greater power to weight ratio,and 2 car lengths is naff all ,you can take much more than that back with better brakes on their own ,never mind better suspension and tyres.
I heard most uk sti's with avergage drivers struggle to get under 1.25's,im just making the point that the zs on track in capable hands can mix it with much bigger names.
I find that 1.23 for a 120 elise staggering, if thats genuinely a totally standard car its got to be some kind of record !.

Gutmann pug

I've been round Thruxton in one of the MG ZS's 180bhp things on full slicks......Only two breaking points, just before the chicane and before the Campell Cob and Seagrave complex. I was very impressed.

JTaylor

You obviously know the score. There's a local lad (Carl Sorensen @ http://www.sorensenroadsport.co.uk/ ) who takes his standard 05sti around Coombe in 1.22s - but he's been rallying since his was a kid and now freelance Co-Drives at WRC level. He let one of our gang's girlracers have a drive and I think she may still be going round. What I think lap times do indicate is what a car is capable of in the right hands. TBH a VX220Turbo ought to be pulling much further ahead then you've described and throws up all the other possibilities. Perhaps you were absolutely on it coming out of Camp, hitting the rumble strip on the way out, no fluffed up shifts, keeping it planted through Avon rise etc etc. In the mean time the VX220 sounds like he was mincing around.

mg driver

yep could well be!

rexabusa

how does clio 182 + zs compare , track + straight

mg driver

funny you should say that ,there was a 182 with sport pack there at same day at combe ,a blue one with stripes over it,through corners cars were dead equal ,zs brakes were bit better (or i was using them better) and zs pulled away a bit when on the power (maybe i was on the power earlier i dunno),i was out on track with it a few times and when i had my mate in the car we were even stevens with the clio but when on my own he was 2-3 seconds a lap down and he was trying very hard as he ended up planting it in the wall front first.,my mate said he weighed nearly 100kg's so its easy to see what effect weight has on lap times!
It doesnt matter how hard you try though ,if you havent mastered the basics and the cars abilities you'll never get the lap time, maybe with different drivers the clio could have been quicker,it certainly impressed me to say it was totally as it left the factory,respect .

Gutmann pug

Driver ability is always the number one contributing factor ....

JCScooby

So really what you're saying here is that if an Sti uprated its brakes and suspension to the same level as the uprated zs, the sti would then have no problems at all shaking him off his *** (lets face it, thats the only part of the sti he would see)?...........yeah, that makes sense

mg driver

hey, the zs in question,i.e mine ,had standard brakes ,suspension and tyres,thats the point ,its very good out of the box