Ian

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think its good fun, and like you say, you dont see many of them now, i work on mine my self to help keep costs down, most if it is fairley easy.

bhp for the ££ i dont think you can go wrong

nisr227

I really can't understand how arrogant and gullible some people can be on here.

We are all car enthusiats, but people slag other cars of with just minimum (i.e one off!) experience, and heresay. Yes its a scooby forum, but talk about beer goggles.

If someone said they have a 300bhp Gti-R, and you beat it, then can you honestly say you beat a genuine 300bhp Pulsar? Did you see it run on various rollers running consistant figures near this claim? There are a lot of owners of a cars that talk their cars up (not just Pulsars) quoting over exagerated figures. Many people don't set their car up correctly. Don't always believe what people quote.

On the note of the Pulsar, yes they had poor handling and brakes as standard, but they weren't that bad back then, they are 16 years old now! thats 2 years before the very first original impreza came out. So you can only compare them, in standard form, with a car of that age. It had puny 14 inch wheels with 195/60 tyres, single pot brakes and basic suspension, what the heck did you expect compared to todays advanced cars?

Nissan pulled the plug on any rally development before it even got going, so it never got developed with better parts, IC etc, from a niisan point of view, the car could of been better. The impreza has been developed continuely every year, not to mention billions of pounds in after market tuning companys moving the goal posts on too. The tuning industry is huge for such a car.

A decently modified pulsar, updated with the equilivant parts on cars of today, including Tein and Whiteline gear, decent wheels and tyres, 4 pot brakes, improved power with mapping, and decent FMIC, can be a very capable and fun car. Not to mention one of the lightest 4wd cars made.

Oh, and a weak gearbox? Early scoob boxes are the same when loads more torque were put through them. I know loads of people that have had gearboxes brake, but loads that have also lasted. Big deal, it costs about 500 to repair it if it ever goes wrong, not bad for a 4wd car that's probably had loads of abuse over the years.

They can be raw, fun, pocket rockets, that just happen to be different and fairly rare. Get a good one and they can be a joy to own and drive.

EVOLUTION

i post crap like that on these kind of threads to waste others time mate, when i read posts like yours, it makes me laugh, hence i will carry on lol

i know my car is far from the fastest thing on the road, but i find it comocal that others feel the need to post on here and try proving it.


carry on, this threads getting interesting lol


John

seven x

How old are you?!

MarkTurbo

Dont underestimate what a Gti-R with 300bhp can do My car was timed at Bruntingthorpe when it was around that sort of power from just an air filter, exhaust, fuel pump, Ap racing clutch and running 1.2 bar it did 0-60 in 3.9, 0-100 in 10.4 and a 12.7 1/4 that was still with the top mount intercooler too

That must be the most stupid thing i've read in ages

EddScott

I met your bro when he had his GTIR - IIRC it was on 370 and the OE box? I must admit I did wince but his seemed happy enough.

Theres a red R local to me and its treated with utter contempt by its owner. Never clean, like a tip inside and I saw them sticking supermarket cheapo fuel in it. They've had that car for at least 5 years if not longer and AFAIK its never been off the road.

Think your bro was quite surprised when I said I missed my that much I'd sell my Impreza and buy another. Pity I haven't got the dosh for his EVO5 though - awesome looking car there!!!

jaytc2003

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didnt mean a metro would beat it round a track (unless it was a 6r4) just a metro has better handling (mind you, the metro would be slower entering the corners and exiting them ) I meant the scoob would beat it around a track. Im not knocking the cars, I used to have one

EVOLUTION

old enough to know better thanks, not that its got anything to do with you, as my car is faster than yours too...... lol

FFS, lighten up, its a sunday, or are you so old you have forgotten how to have fun. and before making stupid remarks, read the thread mate, its getting out of hand... take it with a pinch of salt, it is afterall the internet, you dont have to believe it you know, ****, you dont even have to read it lol


john

EddScott

Putting the ***** waving aside for a moment, what is the average of R owners?

I am really considering selling my scoob for about 7-7.5 and buying a decent R for about 5 and saving the rest for when the gearbox spits out its dummy

Just thinking that maybe they are more of a young persons car though (I'm 28 btw) I don't need 4 doors anymore because my nipper can jump in the back these days (sold my old R because we couldn't get the babyseat in the back properly.

Might be a bit cheeky considering the current image of classic Imprezas.

MarkTurbo

It seems like the average age of a pulsar owner these days is early twenty year olds. Now they're getting cheaper the chavs can afford them Same as the early Imprezas really

Im getting on towards 27 and had mine for 3 1/2 years

EVOLUTION

im 24, and never been in a so called "chav car"

mine certainly aint, i dont have the trademark LED washer jets....

lol


John

deank93

I'm no scooby expert but i'd say you'd need to chuck a good few quid at the scooby in order for it to out drag a 300bhp pulsar.

You'll find a lot of the pulsar drivers enjoy the fact that the owners of more common place jap performance cars are not particually well educated about the potential lurking under the bonnet of the Gtir, the SR20 DET is a superb engine with huge ability.

I've had my pulsar for over 6 years now and can hand on heart say i've yet to come up aganst a scooby that has beaten me, not that i'd be particually upset if they did, its all good fun.

My current spec sees just under 500bhp on pump fuel with a 3037 tubby, quaife box, coilovers, 4 pots and a few other bits and bobs so i don't see me having to much trouble with many scoobys in the forseable future either.

Mr EVOLUTION, with respect your knowledge regarding the SR20DET powered Pulsar appears limited to what the fat bloke down the pubs sisters cousins dogs former room mate said.

Carl2

It depends on your definition of wipe the floor. At Elvington last September (same day Andy F spun off) A friends P1 with 400bhp was only 0.2secs faster than my 280bhp Gtir, if I had the same power he wouldn't get near me.

My only ever loss on the strip so far came that day, and it took the Scooby Clinic car to do it, that's a 10sec car with well over 500bhp at a guess.

I went against a WR1 when I only had 246bhp and beat him (off the line and on time)and he ran a 13.2 1/4.

Video proof

With only a filter and exhaust mods and 246bhp I was running 13.0s, don't try telling me that 20bhp knocked over 1sec off my 1/4 time. I'd say maybe 1/2s at most.

deank93

A pulsar posted 157mph with a blown head gasket at TOTB 2 or 3 and another hit 160 mph at a Banzai shootout in March 2005.

Carl2

Oh yeah, I forgot to add. As far as I know, the gearing on the standard box allows about 169 I think at the redline (7500) in 5th. I'll see if I can work it out properly.

95blackWRX

i think the handling on the gti-r is good u get a good road feel through the wheel that u dont get with scoob

marcymarc555

Evolution... after reading the drivvel you have wrote in this thread i can definatly say you know nothing about cars what so ever.
I think that you are in a diluded little world that i was once in when i was in scooby ownership many moons ago.
Ive had three imprezas a Uk turbo , jdm wrx and a sti type r v5.. and most recently i have made the move into the GTiR scene..and im soon to be on my second R, and i can honestly say that an equally matched bph/torque impreza to a Pulsar would leave most impreza's for dead in a straight line tbh.

I think you have to understand that a subaru impreza in an amazing car out of the box but doesnt respond to modification as well as a Gtir.
You also have to think of the power to weight differences, think of a new sti's wieght to a pulsar , if you do your maths and work it al out , its plain to see why the pulsar does so well in a straight line.

Also remember that an the imprezas handling through out the years has always been astonishing and is really hard to make major improvements mainly because as subaru improve the car through out the years it also clamps wieght on.
The R on the otherhand is absolutly **** at handling...but.....with a decent suspension/chassis set up the Gtir can be totally transformed into a totally different car that can start to try and match the impreza.

Please get out of thinking that because you drive a impreza that your the fastest thing since sliced bread because its just not the case mate

nisr227

Hello Edd, yeah, my bro never did brake the box, but it was off the road for a while when he got the engine all rebuilt for the bigger power. Some company's do seem to take their time!

His Evo5 is still for sale, but he's hardly pushing to sell it, his misses wants him to sell (he now has two kids) but he's been lazy in this area so he can have it for a few more months. On that note, just ask him, I had no problem keeping up with him when we both met last, and his Evo5 was dyno'd at over 370bhp on Gforce, my Pulsar was about dyno'd (Noble RR) at just 322bhp at 1.2bar at the time, with a slight turbo elbow problem (probably still only 330 now). Twisties were a bit different, but I wasn't that much slower. When I drove his Evo, its only the brakes (AP 6 pots) that really amazed me, yes it gripped better too, but to me it was no more fun than my Pulsar, at half if not less of the cost. He bought himself a standard looking red Mk1 Golf gti now with loads of mods, stipped, ready for trackdays (was at Llandow yesterday), because he can goto so many with such a cheap car and such low running costs.

I'm 30, have had my Pulsar for 6 years now (while still owning other cars), seen the club(s) and following change over that time, and have at my disposal over 150 a day that come back off contract (I work for a fleet company) including all run of the mills cars, and also Evos, Sti, M3's, etc BUT I still haven't sold the Pulsar because it gives me the thrills I want in a car at the moment, an old, loud and raw 4wd pocket rocket. That says something, that with the correct sensible mods, the Pulsar can feel very special to many people.

It is a pity that there are also young chav muppets starting to own R's now (not all young are chavs btw!) that are complete dogs, but that's always happened when cars get cheap, like Cossies, and early Scoobs too, if not looked after. They are usually the ones that give cars like the Pulsar a bad name, especially when they exagerate the bhp claims etc.

Just read the Jtuner article a couple of months back, the Pulsar can be made fairly quick for such minimum mods, and it really comes down to its decent power per weight, 1220kg with full electrics, aircon, etc, and far lighter when you start ditching some of this (and the ability to launch hard if your looking at 1/4mile times).



Steve
www.letstorquebhp.com

sti monster

well said mate - we are all CAR enthusiasts here. on another note about pulsar gearboxes breaking once past 300bhp completely untrue, even the AWD pulsar uses a std box (500bhp) - its just one of those situations where you are either lucky or you are not.

i for one think the pulsar has an immense presence on the road, loving the bonnet . each to their own and if we all liked the same things then life would be just plain boring. EVOLUTION is entitled to his opinion just like evryone else is.

Thunder God

Hello all I'm new, I'll join the debate if that's OK lol.

I've never owned a scoobie but I've driven one or two and there very good cars indeed, They handle very well straight out of the showroom. I'm a pulsar owner at present and am on my second one in 6 years I'm also a moderator of the GTIROC so I think that I'm qualified to make a comment or two.

I find some of the clueless comments in this thread to be laughable to be honest, Do some of you actually own cars for real ? lol, The pulsar is at least 12 years old as as such is a min of 12 years behind the scoobie's/evo's in development terms, But with a few well chosen mods can keep up and even beat the best cars out there.

I've seen a near standard pulsar (air filter and exhaust only) do a 12.5 at Santa pod a few years ago, Mine did a 12.3 running 304bhp and 1.2 bar.

I'm now running 400bhp on a box standard engine with 1.5 bar and a few bolt on goodies, I've not seen many standard engine scoobie able to do that lol.

Anyway we are all boosted car fans so lets just get on with each other and enjoy our weapon of choice, And I'll see you all next time I'm doing the 1/4 mile lol win lose or draw I'll have a big cheesy grin on my face.


Rob

jaytc2003

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I agree, some people post on here thinking their car is the fastest thing on the road, and are blinkered to other top cars. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to slate something without experience of something is unjust

The road presence on the GTIR is awesome though I must admit, think I was one of the unlucky ones with a gearbox that went. I had mine 6 years ago so it cost me about 1800 quid to have it replaced and fitted (wasn't at a specialists place though, should have just taken it to DP motorsport).
I did find though that the heat soak on the standard tmic was awful, you could really feel the power loss.

Thunder God

The gearbox can brake as they do on plenty of other cars out there including scoobie's, Mine has a Quaife gearset fitted and has been fine for years of drag racing and track days, With just a minor rebuild of all the nissan bearings and syncro's(£500). Mind you don't you think that any 12 -16 year old car thats been driven hard might brake something now and again .

Most have front mounts fitted now so heat soak isn't really a problem, I will conceed that the standard brakes are next to useless .

But back in the day I think you would of been hard pushed to find a more fun car to own and drive, All the road tests where pretty positive, How ever every car has its weak points if you look hard enough.

I'd be happy to own any one of these four cars really skyline/evo/pulsar/scoobie there all pretty good.

Rob

jaytc2003

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I would own a gtir again, but my first mod would be the tarox 6 pots that I used to have. Awesome (cost over £1200 then)
With the Quaife gearset, does that retain the standard ratios just uprated or is it different altogether?

The golden fleece

Well said Rob

Thunder God

The Quaife has the first four gears a little closer together but 5th is the same as standard, I use 4 pot AP calipers and 304x28mm AP discs running some nice racing pads which seems to work pretty well .

I'm also running pagid rear disc's and pads at the rear which are brilliant .

Rob

Dooie

iv owned my R for 2 and a half years from standard to just under 400bhp for the last 9 months or so, there' s a guy i see on my way to work who has a black, pink badge sti (im pretty sure thats what it is) when i first had my car decatted running standard boost i just about kept up with him. these days i can be lazy and just leave it in 5th LOL

its all down to tuning as the 'THUNDERGOD' mentioned. you can get 400bhp from a standard R engine no problem with just a few basic mods costing £2000 tops. if you asked a tuner what you' d need to get 400bhp from an R you' d be lucky to see change from £6000+
iv heard reference in the past saying that subaru' s have chocolate pistons, is that really true? or is it just an excuse for a poor setup and mapping.

Stu

Mr pulsar

[QUOTE=jaytc2003]whats bollox? a standard gtir is capable of doing a 13.4 quarter with a terminal speed of 100.48mph with a 1.94 60 ft. So I will say the driver was ****, missed a change or something.

A standard scoob will not do that, look at my post. Yours has been ppp'd so its not standard![/QUOT

The times your going on about in this one are mine, they were record last august with only an exhaust system for modifications ( still with cat ) its was running 234 BHP at the time so why am I **** or missed a change ??, thats a very respectable time for the horsepower figure how many scoobs run early 13's with that BHP ??

please I dont want a slagging match just interested in this topic,

HADES WHORE

i for one would be interested in what a sunny sh*tbox would be like after 15 odd years of development.

im not keen on driving the same car as everyone else, i really like the fact they are unknown and unpopular. it makes it so much more satisfying when i leave a £60000 car behind

jaytc2003

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[quote=Mr pulsar]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaytc2003

whats bollox? a standard gtir is capable of doing a 13.4 quarter with a terminal speed of 100.48mph with a 1.94 60 ft. So I will say the driver was ****, missed a change or something.

Wasnt calling you a **** driver, read the whole post. I said a standard car is capable of a mid 13 second quarter. The driver I was calling **** was the one evolution said he trounced, who allegedly had 300bhp but did a quarter time slower than evolution did.

Mr pulsar

[QUOTE=jaytc2003]Ah sweet sorry must have miss read it , the quarter mile on a standard pulsar has been quoted on different places i've found to be as fast as 13.7 and as slow as 14.4, if anyones knows any different post up a link for me, Cheers

hope that clears some of it up, what times are the different scoobs quoted at ???