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Old 26 January 2006, 10:46 AM
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It was a well produced programme and it showed the heroism of many of the employees in their efforts to subdue the problems, the army lads were put into life threatening positions too when they were clearing debris off the roofs.

We may well be forced into using nuclear power in the future when the gas runs out and if the burning of hydrocarbons is really bringing on global warming
which will eventually finish life on this planet.

I would expect that it should be possible to make nuclear power stations safe enough provided that they are prepared to spend the money on doing it. It surely must be possible to devise a method of dealing with nuclear waste in an effective and safe manner.

The problem with living on granite substructure in the West Country is the Radon gas seeping up which is bad for you.

So much in life is a risk, the thing is to work at minimising it to fit in with the priorities of the future.

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Old 26 January 2006, 07:33 PM
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To answer the few other questions:

Cornwall, as correctly stated, is radioactive due to a mixture of granite (which is mildly radioactive) with Radon gas (which is much more readioactive) seeping through in places.

There is cosmic radiation everywhere in the universe. On the earth's surface, this is fairly attenuated by the atmosphere (although in 6 months any of you will be getting as much dose from cosmic radiation as I did from 11 years working on nuclear power plants). When you lose many thousands of feet of atmosphere as shielding - e.g. when in an aeroplane - you get more dose from the radiation.

IIRC, Brasil has the highest background radiation of any country in the world, mostly due to its geology I believe.

Suuba - yes, the reactors were shutdown (for their bi-annual service) when we poked the robot arms inside.
Old 26 January 2006, 07:38 PM
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In answer to the one I missed, how long does fuel last in the reactor - it depends. On what type of reactor, where in the reactor the fuel is installed (shorter life nearer the centre of the core), what the load factor of the reactor is, and quite a few other things. However, in ballpark terms we're talking years for a fuel element, not days or weeks.
Old 26 January 2006, 11:42 PM
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Firstly, i must say, an excellent docu-drama (even for Vivian)

Also, thanks to Hades for some first-hand info, but...

Originally Posted by hades
A few other facts re: posts on here.
- UK reactors tend to have boron ball and/or boron dust emergency shutdown systems, so warped control rods would not prevent safe shutdown.
Tend isn't quite as strong a word as i was hoping for. In the case of something as dangerous as nuclear, i would prefer "ALWAYS"!

Originally Posted by hades
All the UK reactors have fewer issues with positive temperature reactivity coefficients than Chernobyl
which could be 0.00001% fewer - not very reassuring

Originally Posted by hades
- The beach in Cornwall is still going to be radioactive in 100,000 years. So will a jar of coffee from Sainsburys (which incidentally is more active than some "low level active waste" leaving UK power stations).
...and the Sun (in space, not the toilet paper) is (hopefully) going to be very radioactive for many millions of years. Horses for courses!

Originally Posted by hades
- Whilst there is going to be an issue with clearing up the contents of the sarcophogus that is now around Chernobyl, contracts have been out for many years to deal with this. Most of the clean up work will be complete in our lifetimes.
Maybe not clean-up, but rather brick-up?

Originally Posted by hades
- I understand that there is still an issue with contamination in the countryside immediately around Chernobyl which is less easy to deal with, but even if nothing is done, that will be at safe levels in many orders of magnitude quicker than 100,000 years.
...but they don't (yet) have to worry about house prices in Russia

Originally Posted by hades
The media are happy to get hold of and sensationalise anything with little or no understanding of what they are talking about or access to the truth, and yet with nuclear power 90% of people seem to believe them on occassions
The media probably do know what they are talking about, and selectively choose stuff to sell papers

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Old 27 January 2006, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by boomer
Also, thanks to Hades for some first-hand info, but...

Tend isn't quite as strong a word as i was hoping for. In the case of something as dangerous as nuclear, i would prefer "ALWAYS"!
Tend is the correct word as different reactor designs have different emergency shutdown systems. Magnox reactors ALWAYS have boron ***** and/or dust systems. PWRs (Sizewell 'B' in this country) work differently and have different diverse emergency shutdown systems, which are appropriate for the type of reactor. They ALWAYS have a system, it just isn't always boron *****/dust.

Originally Posted by boomer
which could be 0.00001% fewer - not very reassuring
Again, depends on which reactor you're talking about. However, I believe the total temperature co-efficients of reactivity on all UK reactors are negative, and in Chernobyl they weren't. Again, I could go a long way into the physics if you were really interested, but there are bits I'd have to check up on to be certain I'd got all the detail correct if I'm going to do so.

Originally Posted by boomer
...and the Sun (in space, not the toilet paper) is (hopefully) going to be very radioactive for many millions of years. Horses for courses!
Very true

Originally Posted by boomer
Maybe not clean-up, but rather brick-up?
Clean up is accurate. There are various things that are going to be done to the inside of the sarcophogus, including dealing with the material that contains fuel, before making some structural improvements; I only have first hand knowledge of a small amount of the work going on which I helped prepare a bid for several years ago

Originally Posted by boomer
The media probably do know what they are talking about, and selectively choose stuff to sell papers

mb
I'm not convinced many of them do, but you may be right. Doesn't really matter as what they print is what influences people.
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