What's wrong with the P1???
05 October 2000, 11:53 AM
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I don't own either a P1 or an STI, but why would an STI owner be jealous of a P1 ? I thought (obviously got this wrong) a P1 was an STI V without a short ratio gearbox or fast steering rack ?
(not meaning to offend people here through my lack of understanding)
-Edit - Oops Sorry Josh, just read your post again and you've answered some of this already (re remap to 95 ron / suspension etc)
[This message has been edited by Gary Foster (edited 05 October 2000).]
(not meaning to offend people here through my lack of understanding)
-Edit - Oops Sorry Josh, just read your post again and you've answered some of this already (re remap to 95 ron / suspension etc)
[This message has been edited by Gary Foster (edited 05 October 2000).]
05 October 2000, 01:02 PM
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Josh L,
Where does the remap to 95 ron come from. According to my P1 supplement (which comes with the normal Impreza owners handbook) it states to use 97 ron and that was confirmed by Mike Wood of Prodrive.....also it may just be a sticker, but the fuel cap also states to use SUL......sorry if I have offended you but I was told to run it on SUL....please correct me if I'm wron, as I would like to know what is the right fuel to run it on.
Thanks.......
Where does the remap to 95 ron come from. According to my P1 supplement (which comes with the normal Impreza owners handbook) it states to use 97 ron and that was confirmed by Mike Wood of Prodrive.....also it may just be a sticker, but the fuel cap also states to use SUL......sorry if I have offended you but I was told to run it on SUL....please correct me if I'm wron, as I would like to know what is the right fuel to run it on.
Thanks.......
05 October 2000, 01:03 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Andrew O'Hara:
<B>Josh L,
Where does the remap to 95 ron come from?... According to my P1 supplement (which comes with the normal Impreza owners handbook) it states to use 97 ron and that was also confirmed by Mike Wood of Prodrive.....also it may just be a sticker, but the fuel cap also states to use SUL......sorry if I have offended you but I was told to run it on SUL....please correct me if I'm wrong, as I would like to know what is the right fuel to run it on.
Thanks.......[/quote]
<B>Josh L,
Where does the remap to 95 ron come from?... According to my P1 supplement (which comes with the normal Impreza owners handbook) it states to use 97 ron and that was also confirmed by Mike Wood of Prodrive.....also it may just be a sticker, but the fuel cap also states to use SUL......sorry if I have offended you but I was told to run it on SUL....please correct me if I'm wrong, as I would like to know what is the right fuel to run it on.
Thanks.......[/quote]
05 October 2000, 01:12 PM
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Andrew,
You might be wrong, but then again so might I.
The P1 brochure, not to mention the P1 section of the Subaru web site, as well as a few other places, show the fuel grade as being 95 Ron. Having said that, Listers recommend that you use 97/8 most of the time.
So far I have run mine mainly on SUL, but I've been amazed at how difficult it to find in some areas. In fact it seems to be only Shell stations where you can guarantee to find it. As a result, it has had a dose of 95, the alternative being a long walk home.
Any comments Mike?
Josh
You might be wrong, but then again so might I.
The P1 brochure, not to mention the P1 section of the Subaru web site, as well as a few other places, show the fuel grade as being 95 Ron. Having said that, Listers recommend that you use 97/8 most of the time.
So far I have run mine mainly on SUL, but I've been amazed at how difficult it to find in some areas. In fact it seems to be only Shell stations where you can guarantee to find it. As a result, it has had a dose of 95, the alternative being a long walk home.
Any comments Mike?
Josh
05 October 2000, 02:11 PM
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Andrew,
Just had a chat with Mike Woods (what an astonishingly helpful gentleman!)
It would seem that my imprssions were right(ish). SUL best (recommended), 95 OK when necessary.
Josh
More in tone with the thread, he told me about a slating of the P1 he read on a Hong Kong based site. It would appear that the author realy slagged off the P1, despite the fact that he wrote the article before the car was released, will never drive the car and to cap it all doesn't even have a driving licence!
Now that's what I call jouralistic licence!
Just had a chat with Mike Woods (what an astonishingly helpful gentleman!)
It would seem that my imprssions were right(ish). SUL best (recommended), 95 OK when necessary.
Josh
More in tone with the thread, he told me about a slating of the P1 he read on a Hong Kong based site. It would appear that the author realy slagged off the P1, despite the fact that he wrote the article before the car was released, will never drive the car and to cap it all doesn't even have a driving licence!
Now that's what I call jouralistic licence!
05 October 2000, 02:14 PM
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John,
On most matters track-related I'd defer to your obvious knowledge, but in this case I'm afraid you're not entirely correct.
In my (considerable) numbers of years doing motorcycle trackdays, I've never had to show a licence. I've only done two car track days, but I wasn't asked to show anything then either.
I'm aware, however, that some trackday organisations ask for a licence, though I have no idea why.
Nick
On most matters track-related I'd defer to your obvious knowledge, but in this case I'm afraid you're not entirely correct.
In my (considerable) numbers of years doing motorcycle trackdays, I've never had to show a licence. I've only done two car track days, but I wasn't asked to show anything then either.
I'm aware, however, that some trackday organisations ask for a licence, though I have no idea why.
Nick
05 October 2000, 07:12 PM
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I have one, very happy with it - quicker than my old MY99. Pulls all the way to 150+.
I have given several cars that cost a lot more a big surprise.
PS. Brakes could be better, but that is another £1.5K you don't have to get the whole WR kit, you can buy bits i.e Brakes & rear box.
Off to go home in mine....
I have given several cars that cost a lot more a big surprise.
PS. Brakes could be better, but that is another £1.5K you don't have to get the whole WR kit, you can buy bits i.e Brakes & rear box.
Off to go home in mine....
05 October 2000, 07:59 PM
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Mr Felstead
So how come Nigel Mansell was driving around racing tracks - and the occassional BTCC when he was serving on a ban?
You'd have thought that a bit high profile to get away with it?!!
It seems a bit odd that you need a license for insurance reasons? - I guess you'd be deemed too high risk? - I know of many people under 17 who have driven on racing tracks - but they dont have a license?
So how come Nigel Mansell was driving around racing tracks - and the occassional BTCC when he was serving on a ban?
You'd have thought that a bit high profile to get away with it?!!
It seems a bit odd that you need a license for insurance reasons? - I guess you'd be deemed too high risk? - I know of many people under 17 who have driven on racing tracks - but they dont have a license?
05 October 2000, 08:57 PM
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OK, don’t believe me do you.
It is conditional on signing on at a track day that you hold a current RTA licence, without this the organisers are not insured. If you go to an LTR or Donnington track day they insist on you showing your licence, others should do so.
Below is an extract from the MSA (Motor Sport Association) Competitors Yearbook, commonly refered to as the “Blue Book”.
This is the rule book for all MSA and FIA sanctioned Motorsport Events in the UK, if you don’t hold an MSA licence you cannot compete in Most motorsport in the UK. Motorcycling and grasstracking etc have there own rules.
2.6. Road Traffic Act (RTA) Driver's Licence
Where an applicant wishes to drive in an event, as distinct from being a passenger or navigator, the granting of a Competition Licence shall be conditional upon the applicant being: 2.6.1. <B>The holder of a current full RTA driving licence</B> valid for Great Britain or Northern Ireland in respect of vehicles having more than three wheels, unless he is not allowed to hold a current full RTA driving licence by reason of age [2.8] or
2.6.2. Although disqualified from holding an RTA licence, the circumstances leading to such disqualification are such, that in the opinion of the RACMSA, he should not be refused a Competition Licence [2.71. (Applications failing within this sub-paragraph will be considered individually by the RACMSA, but no waiver will be granted in cases where the disqualification is in connection with being under the influence of drink and/or drugs whilst driving.)
2.7. Loss of RTA Licence
2.7. 1. Any person who holds, or is entitled to hold, a Competition Licence issued by the RACMSA, and who shall be disqualified from holding or obtaining a licence entitling him to drive a motor vehicle on the public highway within the territory of the RACMSA, must report in writing to the RACMSA within seven days, the fact of the order of disqualification, and must provide with such report a memorandum of the conviction and sentence of the court making the order of disqualification [2.6.2].
Unless you are very high profile they will turn you away, you can count on it!!
Some of you may recall a certain Colin McRae facing a ban for speeding a few years ago. Prodrive were ready to sort him out a licence in another country to bide him over whilst his ban was in force, if my memory serves me right he didnt get banned, just a big fine because of his work circumstances.
2.8. Minimum Ages
In most cases competitors will have to hold a full RTA Driver's Licence which assumes they are 17 years old, but for certain types of event lower age limits apply. In those events, irrespective of age, it is not a requirement for the competitor to hold a full RTA licence,<B> on the strict condition
that they have not been banned by any court from holding an RTA licence.</B>
2.8. 1. In all cases where the applicant is under 18 years of age it is necessary that the application is guaranteed by the parent or guardian.
2.8.2. Please refer to the following to assess eligibility.
Event Type Min. age &
qualification
2CV & Minicross 16 No RTA
Autotest 16 No RTA
Production Car Auto test 15 No RTA
Car Race * 16 No RTA
Kart - Short Circuit -
Non-Gearbox 8 No RTA
Kart - Short Circuit -
Gearbox 16 No RTA
Production Car Trial 16 No RTA
Standard Car Trial 15 No RTA
Rally - Road (Navigator only) 14 No RTA
Rally - Stage (Navigator only,
not International) 16 No RTA
Sporting Trial 16 No RTA
An applicant aged 16 or over, <B>who has not been banned from holding an RTA licence</B>, may obtain a licence for car racing, providing: (a) that the applicant has held a Kart Licence for at least 12 months, and is no longer a novice karter.
(b) that the applicant completes an approved course at a Racing Drivers' School [2.3.21.
[This message has been edited by johnfelstead (edited 05 October 2000).]
It is conditional on signing on at a track day that you hold a current RTA licence, without this the organisers are not insured. If you go to an LTR or Donnington track day they insist on you showing your licence, others should do so.
Below is an extract from the MSA (Motor Sport Association) Competitors Yearbook, commonly refered to as the “Blue Book”.
This is the rule book for all MSA and FIA sanctioned Motorsport Events in the UK, if you don’t hold an MSA licence you cannot compete in Most motorsport in the UK. Motorcycling and grasstracking etc have there own rules.
2.6. Road Traffic Act (RTA) Driver's Licence
Where an applicant wishes to drive in an event, as distinct from being a passenger or navigator, the granting of a Competition Licence shall be conditional upon the applicant being: 2.6.1. <B>The holder of a current full RTA driving licence</B> valid for Great Britain or Northern Ireland in respect of vehicles having more than three wheels, unless he is not allowed to hold a current full RTA driving licence by reason of age [2.8] or
2.6.2. Although disqualified from holding an RTA licence, the circumstances leading to such disqualification are such, that in the opinion of the RACMSA, he should not be refused a Competition Licence [2.71. (Applications failing within this sub-paragraph will be considered individually by the RACMSA, but no waiver will be granted in cases where the disqualification is in connection with being under the influence of drink and/or drugs whilst driving.)
2.7. Loss of RTA Licence
2.7. 1. Any person who holds, or is entitled to hold, a Competition Licence issued by the RACMSA, and who shall be disqualified from holding or obtaining a licence entitling him to drive a motor vehicle on the public highway within the territory of the RACMSA, must report in writing to the RACMSA within seven days, the fact of the order of disqualification, and must provide with such report a memorandum of the conviction and sentence of the court making the order of disqualification [2.6.2].
Unless you are very high profile they will turn you away, you can count on it!!
Some of you may recall a certain Colin McRae facing a ban for speeding a few years ago. Prodrive were ready to sort him out a licence in another country to bide him over whilst his ban was in force, if my memory serves me right he didnt get banned, just a big fine because of his work circumstances.
2.8. Minimum Ages
In most cases competitors will have to hold a full RTA Driver's Licence which assumes they are 17 years old, but for certain types of event lower age limits apply. In those events, irrespective of age, it is not a requirement for the competitor to hold a full RTA licence,<B> on the strict condition
that they have not been banned by any court from holding an RTA licence.</B>
2.8. 1. In all cases where the applicant is under 18 years of age it is necessary that the application is guaranteed by the parent or guardian.
2.8.2. Please refer to the following to assess eligibility.
Event Type Min. age &
qualification
2CV & Minicross 16 No RTA
Autotest 16 No RTA
Production Car Auto test 15 No RTA
Car Race * 16 No RTA
Kart - Short Circuit -
Non-Gearbox 8 No RTA
Kart - Short Circuit -
Gearbox 16 No RTA
Production Car Trial 16 No RTA
Standard Car Trial 15 No RTA
Rally - Road (Navigator only) 14 No RTA
Rally - Stage (Navigator only,
not International) 16 No RTA
Sporting Trial 16 No RTA
An applicant aged 16 or over, <B>who has not been banned from holding an RTA licence</B>, may obtain a licence for car racing, providing: (a) that the applicant has held a Kart Licence for at least 12 months, and is no longer a novice karter.
(b) that the applicant completes an approved course at a Racing Drivers' School [2.3.21.
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06 October 2000, 08:37 AM
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John,
OK, so why have I not been asked for a licence at Brands, Cadwell, Mallory, Snetterton, Lydden, Darley Moor, Oulton?
And although you always have to sign on before getting on the track, this is always a disclaimer saying that nobody has responsibility for your actions other than yourself. I don't recall seeing anything which states "I have a current licence to ride or drive" or words to that effect, and I do tend to read what I'm signing.
The point is that for motorsport you're correct, but for track days (after all, they aren't racing, as everyone is constantly told!) you should be OK.
Maybe car events have changed in the last few years (haven't done a car trackday since late 1998) but I'd be surprised.
Failing that, get a bike - loads more fun for far less money, and you can do track days without a licence!!
Nick
OK, so why have I not been asked for a licence at Brands, Cadwell, Mallory, Snetterton, Lydden, Darley Moor, Oulton?
And although you always have to sign on before getting on the track, this is always a disclaimer saying that nobody has responsibility for your actions other than yourself. I don't recall seeing anything which states "I have a current licence to ride or drive" or words to that effect, and I do tend to read what I'm signing.
The point is that for motorsport you're correct, but for track days (after all, they aren't racing, as everyone is constantly told!) you should be OK.
Maybe car events have changed in the last few years (haven't done a car trackday since late 1998) but I'd be surprised.
Failing that, get a bike - loads more fun for far less money, and you can do track days without a licence!!
Nick
06 October 2000, 09:33 AM
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John,
Not doubting that you're right for competition (be it racing or testing), but I'd be surprised if you're right for trackdays.
I've NEVER been asked for a licence at Cadwell, Mallory, Brands, Lydden, Oulton, Darley Moor, Snetterton.
Neither have I seen a clause in the signing on form stating that a licence is needed, though again, this is for track days and not for competition. The standard exclusion clause makes you aware that if you crash, it's your responsibility, but doesn't mention that you need to be road-legal.
Haven't done a car trackday in the last 18 months, but wasn't asked for my licence when I did one(last one was at Mallory).
Nick
Not doubting that you're right for competition (be it racing or testing), but I'd be surprised if you're right for trackdays.
I've NEVER been asked for a licence at Cadwell, Mallory, Brands, Lydden, Oulton, Darley Moor, Snetterton.
Neither have I seen a clause in the signing on form stating that a licence is needed, though again, this is for track days and not for competition. The standard exclusion clause makes you aware that if you crash, it's your responsibility, but doesn't mention that you need to be road-legal.
Haven't done a car trackday in the last 18 months, but wasn't asked for my licence when I did one(last one was at Mallory).
Nick
06 October 2000, 09:43 AM
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Well Nick, you've just been lucky.
Every BHLG track (and that's now nearly all of them in the UK) has asked to see my license when I've done a track day, during the past 18 months.
I must shave more often.
Every BHLG track (and that's now nearly all of them in the UK) has asked to see my license when I've done a track day, during the past 18 months.
I must shave more often.
09 October 2000, 07:58 AM
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John,
Without wishing to pick an argument, and at the risk of labouring the point, if I've never been asked for my licence at a track day, and have never been made aware of the need for one, yet have done a LOT of trackdays, please tell me in which way I'm incorrect.
I'm not denying that the rules may state the requirement, just pointing out that the reality does not necessarily accord with the ideal.
However, I'll start taking my licence with me on track days, just in case I get asked for it unexpectedly!
Nick
Without wishing to pick an argument, and at the risk of labouring the point, if I've never been asked for my licence at a track day, and have never been made aware of the need for one, yet have done a LOT of trackdays, please tell me in which way I'm incorrect.
I'm not denying that the rules may state the requirement, just pointing out that the reality does not necessarily accord with the ideal.
However, I'll start taking my licence with me on track days, just in case I get asked for it unexpectedly!
Nick
09 October 2000, 09:02 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NickF:
<B>please tell me in which way I'm incorrect.
[/quote]
Nick, you are incorrect in a simple way. The facts are that you need to hold a full Licence to drive on track days, that is the minimum requirement.
I have done on average 2 track days a month this year, EVERY single one of these has insisted on looking at my licence.
Thats the plain and simple truth. I want that to be the case too, i dont fancy coming up to pass someone who hasnt even passed a driving test, the consequencies for me could be fatal.
<B>please tell me in which way I'm incorrect.
[/quote]
Nick, you are incorrect in a simple way. The facts are that you need to hold a full Licence to drive on track days, that is the minimum requirement.
I have done on average 2 track days a month this year, EVERY single one of these has insisted on looking at my licence.
Thats the plain and simple truth. I want that to be the case too, i dont fancy coming up to pass someone who hasnt even passed a driving test, the consequencies for me could be fatal.
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