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Old Oct 30, 2006 | 11:59 PM
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Graham, these are fully functioning doors, inner and outer.

Andy, every time I come over to your's your heading back to the workshop from the Pie shop... Nuff said
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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Graham,

Theres nothing to be had.. been there tried that.

Theres around 1.5kg in the door bar iirc.

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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 07:07 AM
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Really?

OK, I was trying the bar out, the inner skin off, window regs out except for the drivers/pass doors where a manual regulator from an RA would be used.
Plastic 'glass' in all doors (Peanuts knows a good supplier) but keeping the steel door skin to ensure good door seal contact for the road.

Made much progress David?

Must be painted by now.

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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy.F
So my car would have been even lighter if I had 4 doors to save weight on
I thought you saved over 60kg?
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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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Graham - plastic glass in the pillarless Impreza makes for a very rattely experience as they shake themselves silly at speed....never been there of course, it's just what I heard....
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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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Yes, Ive seen some recently on a gutted Cossie at a hillclimb. He had his 'braced' by small dia thin wall tubing which was very effective.
Just thinking to gut my doors and make light rather than messing with glass doors.
Where is Wallis' bloody car?

Has he found a pretty girl at his new place of toil?

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Old Nov 4, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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I wish, too busy doing work and not having spare time or cash at the moment, soon progress will be made.
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Old Nov 6, 2006 | 10:23 PM
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one of the reason ur welds are un-photogenic is that u didnt de-scale the tubes before welding them, this will help alot! and a steady hand
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Old Nov 6, 2006 | 10:55 PM
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What do you mean you wish... I thought you DID find a tart at your new gaff, was on here dribbling about it too IIRC.

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Old Nov 9, 2006 | 11:15 PM
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Graham
I took the rear door bars out of mine, they were heavy-ish! didn't weigh them. Bit of a pig of a job, prob easier if there's no inner skin! let me know if you want details!

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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:37 PM
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Thanks Martin:

I will spend a morning hacking out the inner skin and all the other junk and see what happens, but as David has tried this alread...and bought some plastic doors after, I think this is the way to go really to save the weight.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 09:28 PM
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Do it right, do it once.
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Old Nov 14, 2006 | 10:57 PM
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Wish I could finally bring myself to gut it David and go plastic everywhere, but I would loose a year with the car off the tracks.

I feel it happening soon though.

Any progress?
Ready to drop the box tonight so in a spanner mood.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Right,

Bought two new 38mm external wastegates and two cheap tacky blow off valves..

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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 11:31 AM
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When do you think you will have this monster up and running David??
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:17 PM
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Its all money and time dependant, I need to find more sponsorship to fund inlet pipework, exhaust pipework, intercoolers, wiring, dyno time, paint, seats, harnesses, fluids...

Or I need to work my **** off, and then on weekends and evenings still try and earn money...

So need to find some time!
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:39 PM
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David,

Do you think there is an advantage in keeping the two banks separate to the turbo?

I assume the turbo exhaust housing has one inlet with the two scrolls in..
The same or similar size turbo I have seen did.. went onto a 5cylinder engine.. boost control with one wastegate on a collector just before the turbo where it bleed exhaust gases mainly off 1 cylinder. I didn't have trouble with boost creap etc. and was able to control the boost with no problems.
Ignoring the crap boost controller problems but wastegate problems were non-existant.
I presume your collector for want of something to call it will meet with the exhaust housing separating the banks but welded to one flange and the gases from each bank lining up with the separate scrolls?

Surely a single wastegate on one bank would be enough to divert gas flow away to control boost? allowing you to free up some cash and space and work welding up exhaust pipework? The second wastegate will impeed flow unnessarily when wastegates are closed? also boost control will be more complicated with two wastegates?

just thoughts..
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:45 PM
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Simon, theres effectively two seperate entries to the one turbo via one flange, so Yes I think it will make a difference.

The wastegates shouldnt impede flow as they arent at an excessive angle on the collectors..

Paul (zen) uses twin scroll to good results on his car, AndyF also suggested it should work well.. so Ill give it a go

David
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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Bad thoughts!

Twin scroll turbos work far better for response, the turbo is big enough for power, so we need response.

With a totally divided manifold, putting a WG on one bank will result in unbalanced flow on boost, meaning there will be one pair of cylinders running lean, not good.

The flange is divided too.

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David,

Do you think there is an advantage in keeping the two banks separate to the turbo?

I assume the turbo exhaust housing has one inlet with the two scrolls in..
The same or similar size turbo I have seen did.. went onto a 5cylinder engine.. boost control with one wastegate on a collector just before the turbo where it bleed exhaust gases mainly off 1 cylinder. I didn't have trouble with boost creap etc. and was able to control the boost with no problems.
Ignoring the crap boost controller problems but wastegate problems were non-existant.
I presume your collector for want of something to call it will meet with the exhaust housing separating the banks but welded to one flange and the gases from each bank lining up with the separate scrolls?

Surely a single wastegate on one bank would be enough to divert gas flow away to control boost? allowing you to free up some cash and space and work welding up exhaust pipework? The second wastegate will impeed flow unnessarily when wastegates are closed? also boost control will be more complicated with two wastegates?

just thoughts..
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Plan is also to have some decent thermocoupes in each port too.. and also one in the downpipe
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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Cmon Wallis stop fannying about n get some more work done, not enough money, no time, bla bla bla, get it done n fire it up ffs.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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all in good time.. no point rushing it
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Bad thoughts!

Twin scroll turbos work far better for response, the turbo is big enough for power, so we need response.

With a totally divided manifold, putting a WG on one bank will result in unbalanced flow on boost, meaning there will be one pair of cylinders running lean, not good.

The flange is divided too.

Paul
I meant with one collector at the turbo but wastegate on one side of that.. not that I worded it very well..

I know what you mean about a twin scoll responding well etc.. but is it really going to gain much having the banks separated?

I assume you have on your car Paul?

Just an interesting subject..

I suppose with twin scroll with a bank on each scroll then pulse wise at least one of the scrolls has a pulse pretty much at any time.. with them into a collector then both scolls would have a pluse at any one time.. but slower gas speed I guess.. so probably does make sense to keep them separate then..


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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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Both David and I have already pointed out the very divided nature of the twin scroll setup. Having a common collector completely defeats the object of doing it.

CAN'T YOU READ SIMON?!!?!

Must be near to christmas and you're getting too excited.

paul
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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lmfao..

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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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It moves...


If you push it... now has 4 drift wheels and tyres on thanks to ScoobyBits | Subaru Specialists // New & Used Parts // Repairs & Servicing (space savers!)

It has rear diff and suspension kind of mounted now (trailing arm's need the nuts rewelding and attaching properly.

Bonnet is sat in place..

Garage has been swept
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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 02:05 PM
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Drift wheels? Don't you mean Ice Racing Wheels?
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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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Will upload some pics later today?
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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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Sooner the better!
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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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Graham, "later" is code for this time next week
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