RAISE the tax on petrol now!
26 September 2000, 04:12 PM
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Hmmm,
"This paper describes firstly the experimental performance of a hydrogen gas-turbine converted from a light-weight car turbo-charger".
Yup, experimental, as in pure hypothesis at mo.
"Additionally, the burning temperature of hydrogen is so much higher than conventional fuel gases and thus its exergy loss in burning is the minimum among fossil fuels".
Would this mean I need specially converted pistons, intercooler etc, as the scoob turbo runs quite hot enough thankyou.
"The turbine has 12 ceramic blades of 52 mm in diameter, and the compressor has 10 metal blades of 52 mm in diameter. Hydrogen gas is discharged into through four nozzles of 1 mm in diameter into compressed air in the combustor. The initial pressure of hydrogen gas is 5 atm, and the mass flow rate is controlled by a hand-powered needle valve and measured by a mass flowmeter. At starting the hydrogen gas-turbine, a blower is additionally assisted to supply full air intake till the turbine rotor rises up to approximately 30,000 rpm".
Sheesh, *** I need a ceramic turbo and a blower, U or HM Gov gonna buy me them then? This paper is jam pack full of words like 'experimental', and 'possible'.
Listen Alterboy m8, it will take more than some obscure 'experimental' document for me to risk seriously feckin up my £22,000 car.
As I stated, 'at present' your views on hydrogen, as far as 'Subaru Impreza Turbo owners' (any turbo for that matter) are concerned, is deffo a waste of time.
No offence meant, but If u cant give me answers which presently apply then go away and blow your trumpet elsewhere.
Or, why dont U do what I did. Work yer **** off to pay for a Scooby, and then get back to me with your applied 'experimental' findings. LOL.
p.s. I agree with saving the plannet, but I bet u go on holiday on one of those fuel efficient plane things, hehe.
[This message has been edited by Jye (edited 26 September 2000).]
"This paper describes firstly the experimental performance of a hydrogen gas-turbine converted from a light-weight car turbo-charger".
Yup, experimental, as in pure hypothesis at mo.
"Additionally, the burning temperature of hydrogen is so much higher than conventional fuel gases and thus its exergy loss in burning is the minimum among fossil fuels".
Would this mean I need specially converted pistons, intercooler etc, as the scoob turbo runs quite hot enough thankyou.
"The turbine has 12 ceramic blades of 52 mm in diameter, and the compressor has 10 metal blades of 52 mm in diameter. Hydrogen gas is discharged into through four nozzles of 1 mm in diameter into compressed air in the combustor. The initial pressure of hydrogen gas is 5 atm, and the mass flow rate is controlled by a hand-powered needle valve and measured by a mass flowmeter. At starting the hydrogen gas-turbine, a blower is additionally assisted to supply full air intake till the turbine rotor rises up to approximately 30,000 rpm".
Sheesh, *** I need a ceramic turbo and a blower, U or HM Gov gonna buy me them then? This paper is jam pack full of words like 'experimental', and 'possible'.
Listen Alterboy m8, it will take more than some obscure 'experimental' document for me to risk seriously feckin up my £22,000 car.
As I stated, 'at present' your views on hydrogen, as far as 'Subaru Impreza Turbo owners' (any turbo for that matter) are concerned, is deffo a waste of time.
No offence meant, but If u cant give me answers which presently apply then go away and blow your trumpet elsewhere.
Or, why dont U do what I did. Work yer **** off to pay for a Scooby, and then get back to me with your applied 'experimental' findings. LOL.
p.s. I agree with saving the plannet, but I bet u go on holiday on one of those fuel efficient plane things, hehe.
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26 September 2000, 04:34 PM
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what's the point when places like the U.S. are the real world polluters?
It's just a diversionary tool employed by the "government".
And before anyone says, "you've got to start somewhere"..
I say yes. Start in the U.S, Braszil, Russia (or whatever they're called this week) etc etc
THe futility. It hurts....
It's just a diversionary tool employed by the "government".
And before anyone says, "you've got to start somewhere"..
I say yes. Start in the U.S, Braszil, Russia (or whatever they're called this week) etc etc
THe futility. It hurts....
26 September 2000, 04:49 PM
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The problem isn't even really (not completely, at any rate) with developed nations like Canada and the United States. Its countries like India and China that are raping their nations to become industrialized. India is by far one of the worst industrial polluters on the planet, but no one seems to want to do anything about it. The emphasis is all on the G7 nations to clean up OUR act while the gross pollutors are allowed to continue on all for the sake of becoming a 1st World country.
26 September 2000, 04:57 PM
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Guys,
No need to get too abusive with Alterboy.... We'll all be driving vehicles powered by alternative fuels in the not very distant future, so the concept is worthy of discussion.
Most likely they will be fuel-cell powered, using hydrogen or reformed petrol rather than a modified internal combustion engine.
Cheers,
Alex
No need to get too abusive with Alterboy.... We'll all be driving vehicles powered by alternative fuels in the not very distant future, so the concept is worthy of discussion.
Most likely they will be fuel-cell powered, using hydrogen or reformed petrol rather than a modified internal combustion engine.
Cheers,
Alex
26 September 2000, 06:28 PM
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I think Hutton_D hit on something.
When do most modern cars cause the greatest pollution?
When they are cold? NO
When they are thrashed? NO
When they are sat in a Petrol Station with their engines turned off!
50-60 litres of carcenogenic, environmentally hostile unburnt petrol fumes are forced out of the tank by the fuel. In some countries this has to be captured and re-cycled - so why not here?
Hydrogen? maybe in 20-30 years
LPG this will be big in the next 5 years!
Chris
When do most modern cars cause the greatest pollution?
When they are cold? NO
When they are thrashed? NO
When they are sat in a Petrol Station with their engines turned off!
50-60 litres of carcenogenic, environmentally hostile unburnt petrol fumes are forced out of the tank by the fuel. In some countries this has to be captured and re-cycled - so why not here?
Hydrogen? maybe in 20-30 years
LPG this will be big in the next 5 years!
Chris
26 September 2000, 06:48 PM
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CharlieWhiskey
I'm appalled by that. Any chance of rebreather + manufacturing tooling change + retro fit = having to spend money?
If there was working retrofit available, I'd buy it. Christ, but that's irresponsible.
I'm going to the pub.
I'm appalled by that. Any chance of rebreather + manufacturing tooling change + retro fit = having to spend money?
If there was working retrofit available, I'd buy it. Christ, but that's irresponsible.
I'm going to the pub.
26 September 2000, 06:52 PM
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Sorry 'AlternativeMeansofFuellingThingsBoy' but I think you have just defeated your own argument (and so God disappeared in a puff of logic - H2G2)
If companies like BMW are spending vast amounts on such research then why-oh-why should the humble UK motorist's be asked to stump up MORE tax to pay for research into the same thing?????????????
OK it might be a bit closer than 20-30 years, (and I like the Solar Power idea to make it really green) - but I thing high performance cars will be the LAST use to which this technology is put!
Use it to replace all those stinking choking Diesels! Go visit a Taxis, Trucks & Buses BBS, if there is such a thing, you may find more support? - NOT!
Chris
skipjack; I think the oil companies are responsible for it at the filling stations, BTW mine's a Guiness, I'll be there in a mo.
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If companies like BMW are spending vast amounts on such research then why-oh-why should the humble UK motorist's be asked to stump up MORE tax to pay for research into the same thing?????????????
OK it might be a bit closer than 20-30 years, (and I like the Solar Power idea to make it really green) - but I thing high performance cars will be the LAST use to which this technology is put!
Use it to replace all those stinking choking Diesels! Go visit a Taxis, Trucks & Buses BBS, if there is such a thing, you may find more support? - NOT!
Chris
skipjack; I think the oil companies are responsible for it at the filling stations, BTW mine's a Guiness, I'll be there in a mo.
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26 September 2000, 08:31 PM
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I've got a great and cheap suggestion for improving emmitions that will the world more environmentally friendly and will cost us everyone a loss less money.
Remove those f*cking cat. converters. We will have less emmitions and will stop the expensive and environmental unfriendly process of making cats. which use heavy metals.
bkar
(trying start a "the Cat. Converter is a pointless piece of junk" thread)
Remove those f*cking cat. converters. We will have less emmitions and will stop the expensive and environmental unfriendly process of making cats. which use heavy metals.
bkar
(trying start a "the Cat. Converter is a pointless piece of junk" thread)
27 September 2000, 12:16 AM
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Wasn't the reason for the high fuel tax exactly that. i.e. to fund 'green' issues???? The fact that the Gov't has just 'nicked' this money is what has p*ssed most people off. If you wish to donate MORE money to the Government send them YOUR wages but please don't suggest sending any more of MINE!!!
Cheers,
Dieter
Cheers,
Dieter
27 September 2000, 12:31 AM
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Question 1: If this Government is so concerned about the environment and forcing us, through high fuel taxes, to reduce our consumption of fossil fuels, why ONLY LAST WEEK did Tiny Blur ask OPEC to INCREASE production?
Question 2: If burning fossil fuel is so bad for the environment, why is heating fuel taxed at only 5% when road fuel is taxed at over 300% ?
Question 3: If everyone ditched petrol and diesel in favour of hydrogen or LPG, would anyone care to have a guess at what level the Chancer would levy tax on these fuels?
Sorry, got me started again ....
Question 2: If burning fossil fuel is so bad for the environment, why is heating fuel taxed at only 5% when road fuel is taxed at over 300% ?
Question 3: If everyone ditched petrol and diesel in favour of hydrogen or LPG, would anyone care to have a guess at what level the Chancer would levy tax on these fuels?
Sorry, got me started again ....
27 September 2000, 12:38 AM
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OK, Question 4 (just to stir things up more): If the oil was really going to run out in 20 or 30 years time, does anyone really think the world's governments would be sitting on their collective ar$es doing nothing about finding a replacement? There's still more than a thousand years' supply of oil and gas waiting to be taken out of the ground, otherwise they'd be panicking now.
Discuss ....
Discuss ....
27 September 2000, 10:18 AM
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Alterboy - I had a housemate like you at University. There'd be a bunch of you quietly watching the box and he'd be bored - so he'd come up with a quip that would get someone arguing with someone else. He'd keep quiet until the argument was dying down - then comment again just to keep it going! It was a real pain when you were actually trying to watch something....... so I say to you
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27 September 2000, 10:37 AM
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fuzzin' buggin' oily b******s grrr 'owzat all 'appen then drag 'em through the streets ahh prescott bp money grabbaz sod 'em all
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charlie whissey drank yoer guinnessssss oops
27 September 2000, 04:43 PM
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Hey guys while we're on this thread remember we've all been moaning the last few years saying the government (of the day) should get rid of road tax and put it on petrol - clever old Tone and co couldn't decide which to go for so hit upon the idea of doing both together!!!!
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