Senior_AP

Fo' shizzle my nizzle.

GC8

965's look nice but theyre not so good to drive; 2 wheel drive and extremely unforgiving; the 993 bodied car is a lot more user friendly...

davyboy

A good post.

Just one point, getting hold of M030 parts is far from easy.......and far from cheap! I've tried, as my '90 turbo is not M030 and come with crappy Sachs units. In the end I choose Leda coilovers.

Senior_AP

Agreed. The 993 is the *best* 911, I just love the 946 shape. Classic but modern.

RS would suit me juuust fine!! 30k please??

davyboy

I think that's some of the appeal, it certainly is for me. The challenge of going fast in something that supposedly has a dodgy reputation.

Nothing wrong with 2WD though...

GC8

Theyre brutes; but I did my best ever time on NFS Porsche 2000 in a 965.....

With regards to the M030 kit; it may well be harder to get now than it was before; I used to do a lot with water cooled Porsches but I stopped a few years ago when the money went out of it (much like it is doing out of Scoobies now!) As an aside; where abouts in the country are you? Id look in Germany and certainly in Belgium for this stuff now; thats where all 968's go to die...

Going back to my earlier post about Porsches polarising opinion; I used top get most gyp about them from my uncle who now makes a lot of money driving one of the damned things at Nurburgring and Daytona...

Simon

slim_boy_fat

Very good, i had no idea you drove a hot hatch, but just goes to show you eh. Till you own and run a Porsche (of any type 914-997) there really not much credence to you opinion now is there. Run along now sonny.

Oranoco

Patronising.

I don't want to own and run a Porsche. Horror of horrors I don't actually like them. Hard as that may be for you to understand.

You've got your opinion I've got mine. Get over it

hugo

A second car for the track would be a shrewd move. TSL333, decat, springs, drop links, ARB, optimised geometry, and enough power and torque to escape the earths gravitational field, as on your motor, is really only fit for trips to Tescos!
HTH

Skittles

LOL, nice one.

Skittles

Perhaps you just ask for patronising replies with comments like:

"Porsches I wouldn't wipe my bum on."
"Yawn!... Save a wedge and buy a proper track weapon... "

Like 'em or loathe 'em, your comments are just provocative!

PS which track focused hot hatch weapon do you drive?

16vmarc

I have a soft spot for the 944 Turbo, pretty much helped by Davyboys posts too! Id love one as a track "weapon"

p1doc

thanks for opinions 944 with m030 kit on -how much and is it cheap to run,as commented by hugo i have a lightly modified impreza but would prefer to use something different for track days-is a 944 m030 a good option?
thanks
martin

Senior_AP

Yes - an excellent option.

Buy mine (if you want) and fit Leda coilovers. Quicker than any normal 911 and most scoobs. You don't find many better than mine - except maybe Davyboys but his isnot for sale unless you give him 12k minimum.


Mine:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/det...p?i=28634&s=81

slim_boy_fat

You can go either turbo or S2 both have there + and -

I have a turbo thats has M030 on it. I have spend around £4.5k on it this year on maintainance and a few wee upgrades. Pushing out about 330bhp and 350lbft so is running well.

If the car you ge has M030 on it, then its not too expensive to get it refurbed. i have just bought a new set of rear dampers, £120 for the pair from the OPC. The fornat are not cheap, looking at about £800 for a pair!! But you can get the origionals revalved for about £200 or so.

If the car doesnt have M030 the the better route would definatly be the Leda, for about £1000 for all 4. The 968 ARB kit is worth getting.

Spend £6k on a nice S2 would leav room to do some nice mods and still leave change from £10k. I think power wise with the S2 you are looking at 230bhp max, but thats still more than enough especially if you strip out some weight, as its pretty easy to remove 100kgs from the cars without being **** about it.

If you need speed then the turbo is the only way to go, but it can get expensive.

Cheers

GC8

M030 kit may cost more than an early '44 now; it used to be about £1,000-£1,200. Id look at a left hand drive 82 or 83 '44 from Germany with a full TUV; a bit more trouble than a British car but likely to be better. Id say that itd be relatively cheap to run; returning 30 MPG easily. The M030 option will give you the dampers and brakes of a 968 Club Sport, the wishbones are different (alloy with a different offset to accomodate ABS sensors in the hubs) but there is no practical difference apart from the offset.

Because all Porsche interiors are poor (materials and longevity) compared to those of mass produced cars like BMW/Mercedes, Id expect the dashboard and the seats to be in a poor state, later cars fared a little better but not that much. Id replace the dash with a shiny black one from an early '24 as they seem to last better and ditch the seats and the soundproofing; Id probably replce the dials with those out of a 924S too as theyre similar but with white rather than yellow characters...

You might also consider an early Turbo; 1986 model cars can be bought extremely cheaply if you know where to look and price doesnt necessarily reflect condition. Cheap cars can be superb and dear ones can be pony; these cars are regulary over-valued by their owners; 250's especially despite their being a poorer car to own than a 220 in a number of ways. Another factor in the 220's favour is that it will run and run, unlike the 250's (you can convert a 220 BHP car to 250 BHP spec by swapping the turbo and the DME & injectors but I wouldnt recommend it). If you do go for a cheap Turbo you will need to remove the soundproofing and the massively heavy seats; the power steering and the air con if its fitted, to make the car suitable. This is why I suggested an early '44 really; very light and crisp handling (and a much keener engine too, down to noise and emission regs I think...); later cars were bloated and lost that feel.

Simon

slim_boy_fat

Car looks nice, not a nice as mine but a cracker none the same.

GC8

This is all subjective I know; but I wouldnt entertain an S2 as a track car. Despite having more torque than the 944S of which the engine is a development; you still have to rev them to get anywhere and there are a number of significant weaknesses on the S/S2 head that are an Achilles heel; when you consider that they are much heavy and stodgier than an early '44 too; they dont really fit the bill.

p1doc

so realistically i should keep an eye out for an old 944 but not s2 preferably with m030 pack on but not essential how much for one realistically and cheaply ,i take it the s2 and turbo models are a bit more costly to maintain and more costly to repair.any good porsche websites to recommend? for more info
i may be talking sh**e but can you chip a 944 to the same level as s2/turbo and do you think it would cause too many problems
thanks
martin

Gutmann pug

Personally i was never a lover of the whole porsche scene. Just didnt do it for me, didnt like the noise the shape or anything...........HOWEVER. One lap of the ring in a 964RS and I'm coverted. If ever there was a track focused beasty thats the fella. I'm now gonna have a 911 in my life at some point.

GC8

You cant 'chip' a 944 no; you will see about 180+ BHP with the small mods I mentioned and thats enough; theres a lot more to fast times than horsepower. Ive seen a man turn in better lap times in a normally aspirated 2500cc Skyline GT-S Coupe than virtually everyone else was in both blown 2500cc GTS-T's and 2600cc GT-R's. You dont need to accelerate back up to speed nearly so much if you didnt have to slow down in the first place.

Im not aware of any Porsche websites though Im sure there are many; in my experience wherever Porsche is mentioned bollocks abounds so thats no great loss.

Dont expect to find an old '44 with M030 option kit on it; its available in specialist breakers but youll have to look for it.

Simon

GC8

A decent '44 with a long TUV and new tyres can be had for under £1,000 in Germany; here too for that price if you look in the right places but the condition will be way poorer.

16vmarc

Are the 944 Turbos not fuel injected then??

hawkthescoobslayer

errr I beg to differ

then click mycar

Ruf

http://gallery115082.fotopic.net/