Scotland Forum Suggestions
08 September 2004, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jools
He is a true Scooby enthusiast, like myself, who does far far more for the Scooby community than most will ever do, or bother to do.
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Originally Posted by Jools
Also be aware that right now I feel we are in danger of creating and allowing divides to develop within the Scooby community, right throughout the country; North and South, East & West, and also possibly between different groups within the aforementioned community, ...
This is key. Last night was the Aberdeen monthly meet. I made a tongue in cheek remark that I didn't want this to be a topic of discussion in the pub*. This was by way of a reply to the invitation on Scottish Scoobies.
My rationale for making that comment was that I know that my views on this matter differ from those of at least one long standing member of the community who normally attends. The last thing I want is for this to cause even the slightest feeling of ill will.
It's all blown out of proportion now. Time to draw a veil. Please.
* Can you see a pattern emerging?
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08 September 2004, 12:34 PM
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Jools, your post speaks volumes to my exact thoughts lately. I have been saddened by the way the Scottish part of the BBS has changed, even since I came first on here some 3-4 years ago. I hope your post and that of Numpties will be taken on board by the mods and management of Scoobynet.
Numptie,
You may not have discussed this last night, but the one comment you did make will remain with me for many months to come, it was priceless!!
You know what im talking about!
KP
Numptie,
You may not have discussed this last night, but the one comment you did make will remain with me for many months to come, it was priceless!!
You know what im talking about! KP
08 September 2004, 01:37 PM
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guys..
this is the problem.
We offer you the chance to come up with solutions in a decent and genuine manner, and it just turns into a conversation about the why and wherefores of a previous situation.
Last chance.
Discuss what has been asked, or we'll just do what we think is best as and when we have time. This would be a shame, but I really don't know what else we can do.
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this is the problem.
We offer you the chance to come up with solutions in a decent and genuine manner, and it just turns into a conversation about the why and wherefores of a previous situation.
Last chance.
Discuss what has been asked, or we'll just do what we think is best as and when we have time. This would be a shame, but I really don't know what else we can do.
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS POST. PLEASE REPLY TO THE FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD.
DO NOT LET THE REST OF YOUR FRIENDS DOWN BY CAUSING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE FRUITLESS.
"Anything posted that is not an attempt to assist this conversation will be ignored or deleted, and anything posted in response to any of these posts will also be deleted."
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08 September 2004, 04:23 PM
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wow
my first ever post to be deleted.
in it i commented on the fact that alot of information covering the matter has been posted in this and other threads - if that is not enuff to have a think on, please say why.
my first ever post to be deleted.
in it i commented on the fact that alot of information covering the matter has been posted in this and other threads - if that is not enuff to have a think on, please say why.
08 September 2004, 04:27 PM
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It seems most of the people here have already left to go to another forum so the "last chance" part of the statement is pretty much an idle threat. Its kinda hard not to reply to your last post when clearly you only want people to say what you want to hear and not what they want to say. Deleting posts when they are not in line with what you want is also pretty stupid.
How can people move forward until they fully understand what has happened previously, from what i have read no one complained about the Scotland forum until changes started happening, so what was the point of changing. It seems 99% of people where happy how it was and then it got changed. People want it back they way it was if that is not going to happen then what do you want them to suggest ??.
To be honest now it is a moot point as this Scotland section is empty. This post will probably get deleted, but to be honest it will prove my point.
How can people move forward until they fully understand what has happened previously, from what i have read no one complained about the Scotland forum until changes started happening, so what was the point of changing. It seems 99% of people where happy how it was and then it got changed. People want it back they way it was if that is not going to happen then what do you want them to suggest ??.
To be honest now it is a moot point as this Scotland section is empty. This post will probably get deleted, but to be honest it will prove my point.
08 September 2004, 05:04 PM
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OK.
Sorry to everyone who wanted a resolution to this. The few spoiling it for the majority.
I'll give it another few hours, then just lock the thread and move on to matters that are more important to people. I certainly don't have time for all this rubbish.
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Sorry to everyone who wanted a resolution to this. The few spoiling it for the majority.
I'll give it another few hours, then just lock the thread and move on to matters that are more important to people. I certainly don't have time for all this rubbish.
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08 September 2004, 06:23 PM
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Shaun,
In policy a while back I suggested that you take exactly this course of action. I don't know if I was the first, but if it stirred you to act then I really must apologise.
Dougster - I am a member of the 'community'. I am not gullible. I have an interest only in that it affects the community as a whole. So I thought I would contribute as impartially as I could. I very much doubt the mass exodus (sic) to SIDC caused the reaction. I share VAL113R's sentiments though as this mass exodus seem to have nothing better to do than come back and post rubbish on here. If you don't like it here anymore, then go - it's your choice to return and post drivel.
Other members, Scottish and not, have tried contributing in a sensible reasoned manner. I bet there are alot who wish, like me, that they hadn't wasted their time.
Close it Shaun, I really regret suggesting it.
In policy a while back I suggested that you take exactly this course of action. I don't know if I was the first, but if it stirred you to act then I really must apologise.
Dougster - I am a member of the 'community'. I am not gullible. I have an interest only in that it affects the community as a whole. So I thought I would contribute as impartially as I could. I very much doubt the mass exodus (sic) to SIDC caused the reaction. I share VAL113R's sentiments though as this mass exodus seem to have nothing better to do than come back and post rubbish on here. If you don't like it here anymore, then go - it's your choice to return and post drivel.
Other members, Scottish and not, have tried contributing in a sensible reasoned manner. I bet there are alot who wish, like me, that they hadn't wasted their time.
Close it Shaun, I really regret suggesting it.
08 September 2004, 11:34 PM
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I am here and I have contributed genuine thoughts above and linked it to the SIDC http://www.scottishscoobies.com also to try and get some positive comments from people who have moved on.
I hope that some of the genuine points can be taken into account, such as those posted by myself and others.
Simon/Shaun - please ignore the stuff which is negative and try to look for positive stuff within the comments posted. I am a plus member and I expect my views to be taken into account in spite of the opinions which others air, which you do not like.
"Last chance.
Discuss what has been asked, or we'll just do what we think is best as and when we have time. This would be a shame, but I really don't know what else we can do."
This is a VERY negative statement which I can partially understand but please do not rubbish my views and the other genuine efforts of some. There are some reasoned points amongst these posts.
Here's hoping for a balanced solution.
Brian
Brian
I hope that some of the genuine points can be taken into account, such as those posted by myself and others.
Simon/Shaun - please ignore the stuff which is negative and try to look for positive stuff within the comments posted. I am a plus member and I expect my views to be taken into account in spite of the opinions which others air, which you do not like.
"Last chance.
Discuss what has been asked, or we'll just do what we think is best as and when we have time. This would be a shame, but I really don't know what else we can do."
This is a VERY negative statement which I can partially understand but please do not rubbish my views and the other genuine efforts of some. There are some reasoned points amongst these posts.
Here's hoping for a balanced solution.
Brian
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09 September 2004, 07:46 AM
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personnally(this is to simon or shaun), i can't see yourselfs or the mods, do ANYTHING to help things get better in here. the damage has been done and by reading all the replys by everyone so far, i don't get the feeling anyone will be in a rush to come back.
11 September 2004, 12:34 AM
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This is my second reply on this subject. I'm not going to voice my opinion as it just echo's the vast majority of the previous posts.
Surely the only need for any rules is to prevent any potential lawsuits. With the moderators using common sense and listening to the people the forum would not fall into disarray.
I like the idea of having a thread copied, and being able to be viewed, up to date from multiple sections (should it be deemed of interest to other sections).
I also would like to see a return to the lax moderation of before, leaving it pretty much up to the users to post sensibly.
I'm not in favour of having seperate general and events 'scotland sections' I don't beleve there is enough traffic to warrant this.
Dave
Surely the only need for any rules is to prevent any potential lawsuits. With the moderators using common sense and listening to the people the forum would not fall into disarray.
I like the idea of having a thread copied, and being able to be viewed, up to date from multiple sections (should it be deemed of interest to other sections).
I also would like to see a return to the lax moderation of before, leaving it pretty much up to the users to post sensibly.
I'm not in favour of having seperate general and events 'scotland sections' I don't beleve there is enough traffic to warrant this.
Dave
12 September 2004, 09:16 PM
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Suggestion.
Shut down the Was it you and For Sale (unclassified) forums and replace all "Events" Forums with "Scoobynet Regions". ScoobyNet is experiencing growing "pains" at the moment and I fear that what is happening in Scotland (and Wales by the Sound of it) will start to happen elsewhere before long (there certainly are examples of was it you / for sale / local advice needed in all the other "Events" forums.
The only other possible solution (would require some technical solution) would be to have A Region held as part of your user CP settings and a flag which allows the user to see only the threads started by users in the same Region or to See ALL Threads started in ALL Regions (If you see what I mean).
Good Luck.
Shut down the Was it you and For Sale (unclassified) forums and replace all "Events" Forums with "Scoobynet Regions". ScoobyNet is experiencing growing "pains" at the moment and I fear that what is happening in Scotland (and Wales by the Sound of it) will start to happen elsewhere before long (there certainly are examples of was it you / for sale / local advice needed in all the other "Events" forums.
The only other possible solution (would require some technical solution) would be to have A Region held as part of your user CP settings and a flag which allows the user to see only the threads started by users in the same Region or to See ALL Threads started in ALL Regions (If you see what I mean
).Good Luck
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17 September 2004, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by yoza
Hellooo.....Heeelllloooooo....Heeelllllooooooo.... ....Heeeeeeellllllllllooooooooooo
Nobody in ?
Nobody in ?
19 September 2004, 07:16 PM
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Talking of ticking.
I had to send a watch to BigSinky who lives in Belfast, it went a bit like this......
Me. " I need to send this package overnight secure delivery to Belfast, it needs to be insured for £1200, and I require a tracking number."
Counter girl. " Right then, put it on the scales please."
Follows instuction.
Counter girl. " That will be £7.49, please."
Hands over watch and money.
Me. " Oh, by the way, dont worry too much if you hear it ticking..."
Anyway I digress.......
I shouldnt really post in here, coz your all on the SIDC bbs.
I had to send a watch to BigSinky who lives in Belfast, it went a bit like this......
Me. " I need to send this package overnight secure delivery to Belfast, it needs to be insured for £1200, and I require a tracking number."
Counter girl. " Right then, put it on the scales please."
Follows instuction.
Counter girl. " That will be £7.49, please."
Hands over watch and money.
Me. " Oh, by the way, dont worry too much if you hear it ticking..."
Anyway I digress.......
I shouldnt really post in here, coz your all on the SIDC bbs.
23 September 2004, 01:02 PM
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The majority of the posts in this thread have been polite, and (roughly) to the format originally requested (post office storys aside
).We have given our (the scotland users) opinion. It's been a long time since this thread was answered to, which is exactly the type of thing to cause bad feeling amongst the users.
I understand the result was not what the scoobynet admin was looking for but please dignify us with a response at least.
Dave
Last edited by RB5_245; 23 September 2004 at 01:10 PM.
23 September 2004, 03:50 PM
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ok
Firstly, apologies to those who really wanted a solution to this as I can 100% understand and empathyse with your frustrations.
The reason for the lack of response has purely been the lack of time. The reason for this lack of time was that it was wasted by those unwilling to simply use this thread as a means to getting something sorted out, and dispite repeated requests, continued to just shout off about what had gone on before.
Now it appears that this side has calmed down, and we are left with the few that are genuinely interested in getting this resolved. Thank you for your persistence and patience!
PLEASE forgive me for this request, but while we appear to have lost the element that just wanted to argue, could those of your still interested please post again (like I say, I apologise) below this one with your briefly outlined suggestions so they are really quick to read and pick out.
Then I promise I will spend the time looking at them and possibly start another thread with a suggestion based on your suggestions to fine tune it and get the bloody thing sorted out once and for all
Thank you once again.
All the best
simon
Firstly, apologies to those who really wanted a solution to this as I can 100% understand and empathyse with your frustrations.
The reason for the lack of response has purely been the lack of time. The reason for this lack of time was that it was wasted by those unwilling to simply use this thread as a means to getting something sorted out, and dispite repeated requests, continued to just shout off about what had gone on before.
Now it appears that this side has calmed down, and we are left with the few that are genuinely interested in getting this resolved. Thank you for your persistence and patience!
PLEASE forgive me for this request, but while we appear to have lost the element that just wanted to argue, could those of your still interested please post again (like I say, I apologise) below this one with your briefly outlined suggestions so they are really quick to read and pick out.
Then I promise I will spend the time looking at them and possibly start another thread with a suggestion based on your suggestions to fine tune it and get the bloody thing sorted out once and for all
Thank you once again.
All the best
simon
23 September 2004, 06:34 PM
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EXACT COPY OF PREVIOUS RESPONSE BELOW
Simon,
It is positive to see that we may be able to find a new way for Scottish users to feel able to use the Scoobynet Scotland section in a way which encourages community.
I think the work of the SIDC over the last two weeks exemplifies EXACTLY how the forum should be moderated and run - ie a regional section with Was it You's, general Scottish related discussion, links to for sales (but very few for sales) but local swap/free stuff etc placed within the Scottish discussion forum. Real respect has been shown to the members and what they require and this has paid off for SIDC with, I am sure, many new members, many who will join up, and record number of users online etc.
Unfortunately this lead to the almost grinding to a halt of the Scoobynet Scotland Events forum. This is a pity - it was enjoyed in the past and was a flexible Scottish related section which was used, AMONGST OTHER SECTIONS, by Scottish members.
I hope people will continue to use Scoobynet Scotland section, but this will only be if it is moderated in a different way and the remit is widened. The suggestions above are very sound ones, with a regional section, events being included, mentions and regional discussion. I feel I must add - this was what we had before all the bad feeling and pettiness - but it did not suit the remit of Scoobynet.
Hopefully if the remit is widened and some flexibility is introduced then users will return. As a paid up Scoobynet + member I want to use the forum I paid to support. However, it would be wrong to underestimate the bad taste left in some peoples mouth - I do not include myself in this but I do understand why some long term users have become very disgruntled. The SIDC have proved themselves beyond all reasonable doubt to be listening to the views, needs and opinions of Scottish users, with no imflammatory remarks made on either side, a real community spirit in all sections and a willingness to be flexible. This is not meant in any way to be detriment to Scoobynet, which is, after all, the largest and (should be) the best forum for all Scooby owners and would be owners.
All the best Simon and let's hope some users will return.
Brian
Simon,
It is positive to see that we may be able to find a new way for Scottish users to feel able to use the Scoobynet Scotland section in a way which encourages community.
I think the work of the SIDC over the last two weeks exemplifies EXACTLY how the forum should be moderated and run - ie a regional section with Was it You's, general Scottish related discussion, links to for sales (but very few for sales) but local swap/free stuff etc placed within the Scottish discussion forum. Real respect has been shown to the members and what they require and this has paid off for SIDC with, I am sure, many new members, many who will join up, and record number of users online etc.
Unfortunately this lead to the almost grinding to a halt of the Scoobynet Scotland Events forum. This is a pity - it was enjoyed in the past and was a flexible Scottish related section which was used, AMONGST OTHER SECTIONS, by Scottish members.
I hope people will continue to use Scoobynet Scotland section, but this will only be if it is moderated in a different way and the remit is widened. The suggestions above are very sound ones, with a regional section, events being included, mentions and regional discussion. I feel I must add - this was what we had before all the bad feeling and pettiness - but it did not suit the remit of Scoobynet.
Hopefully if the remit is widened and some flexibility is introduced then users will return. As a paid up Scoobynet + member I want to use the forum I paid to support. However, it would be wrong to underestimate the bad taste left in some peoples mouth - I do not include myself in this but I do understand why some long term users have become very disgruntled. The SIDC have proved themselves beyond all reasonable doubt to be listening to the views, needs and opinions of Scottish users, with no imflammatory remarks made on either side, a real community spirit in all sections and a willingness to be flexible. This is not meant in any way to be detriment to Scoobynet, which is, after all, the largest and (should be) the best forum for all Scooby owners and would be owners.
All the best Simon and let's hope some users will return.
Brian
23 September 2004, 06:56 PM
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COPY OF POST #8
As you know, myself and others have posted alot in the Policy forum recently.
Not much point in stating my opinion again - read the threads started by numptie and myself and you will get the idea. In fact, I think you have the idea from ur post starting this thread.
In saying that, I shall make a couple of the important points clear.
Anything that the poster wishes to be targeted locally can be posted in the Scottish forum. This will not cause a split community, because anyone can visit any of the forums.
Now an important bit : if a moderator thinks that a post might be better suited in a different forum (for better audience, good pics shown for everyone, etc) then post a reply Suggesting that and offering to move it.
This next comment may be beyond the abilities of the software.
Is it possibile to move a post, yet have the original 'post' in the original forum have its Last Posted updated with each reply so that it may be shown as updated in the original forum. This would suit applications where a post may be suited to two forums.
In normal 'moved' cases, this may not be the case.
However, I think that we all agree that the Regional concept gives rise to this dual categorisation of posts.
The change to 'moved' would be nice - however the main points are that:
anything meant by the poster to be in the regional forum should stay
moderation in two stages - suggested move and then move/stay as indicated in the reply
good luck
As you know, myself and others have posted alot in the Policy forum recently.
Not much point in stating my opinion again - read the threads started by numptie and myself and you will get the idea. In fact, I think you have the idea from ur post starting this thread.
In saying that, I shall make a couple of the important points clear.
Anything that the poster wishes to be targeted locally can be posted in the Scottish forum. This will not cause a split community, because anyone can visit any of the forums.
Now an important bit : if a moderator thinks that a post might be better suited in a different forum (for better audience, good pics shown for everyone, etc) then post a reply Suggesting that and offering to move it.
This next comment may be beyond the abilities of the software.
Is it possibile to move a post, yet have the original 'post' in the original forum have its Last Posted updated with each reply so that it may be shown as updated in the original forum. This would suit applications where a post may be suited to two forums.
In normal 'moved' cases, this may not be the case.
However, I think that we all agree that the Regional concept gives rise to this dual categorisation of posts.
The change to 'moved' would be nice - however the main points are that:
anything meant by the poster to be in the regional forum should stay
moderation in two stages - suggested move and then move/stay as indicated in the reply
good luck
23 September 2004, 08:01 PM
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Thank you SO much chaps for re-posting, I appreciate your efforts as you could have just posted "read the thread, you lazy git!"
Thanks again, looking forward to more replies and I'll attempt to look tomorrow.
All the best
Simon
Thanks again, looking forward to more replies and I'll attempt to look tomorrow.
All the best
Simon
24 September 2004, 07:27 AM
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Read the thread you ....
Shut down the Was it you and For Sale (unclassified) forums and replace all "Events" Forums with "Scoobynet Regions". ScoobyNet is experiencing growing "pains" at the moment and I fear that what is happening in Scotland (and Wales by the Sound of it) will start to happen elsewhere before long (there certainly are examples of was it you / for sale / local advice needed in all the other "Events" forums.
The only other possible solution (would require some technical solution) would be to have A Region held as part of your user CP settings and a flag which allows the user to see only the threads started by users in the same Region or to See ALL Threads started in ALL Regions (If you see what I mean).
Good Luck.
Another thought (Prompted By the Jesse thread as much as anything (which should really be in International Events but we won't go into that)) ScoobyNet at the moment is really geared toward the UK - Maybe some thought should be given to making it a Global site as it certainly does attract members from all corners of the globe - being so UK-Centric just now might prevent International users from coming back - Not sure If you could offer some sort of translation services - Just a thought .
Shut down the Was it you and For Sale (unclassified) forums and replace all "Events" Forums with "Scoobynet Regions". ScoobyNet is experiencing growing "pains" at the moment and I fear that what is happening in Scotland (and Wales by the Sound of it) will start to happen elsewhere before long (there certainly are examples of was it you / for sale / local advice needed in all the other "Events" forums.
The only other possible solution (would require some technical solution) would be to have A Region held as part of your user CP settings and a flag which allows the user to see only the threads started by users in the same Region or to See ALL Threads started in ALL Regions (If you see what I mean
).Good Luck
.Another thought (Prompted By the Jesse thread as much as anything (which should really be in International Events but we won't go into that
)) ScoobyNet at the moment is really geared toward the UK - Maybe some thought should be given to making it a Global site as it certainly does attract members from all corners of the globe - being so UK-Centric just now might prevent International users from coming back - Not sure If you could offer some sort of translation services - Just a thought .
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Not posted in this Thread before, but here goes,
I think the "events" title should be removed, not just for Scotland but in general, It would be better to be replaced with some kind of area based forum. Kind of echo's the post above I know
Not against an Events forum but a broad based one for the whole of Scoobynet would probably suffice. Hope this is of some help.
Cheers
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I think the "events" title should be removed, not just for Scotland but in general, It would be better to be replaced with some kind of area based forum. Kind of echo's the post above I know
Not against an Events forum but a broad based one for the whole of Scoobynet would probably suffice. Hope this is of some help.Cheers
Daz
24 September 2004, 04:06 PM
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I like the idea of having a thread copied, and being able to be viewed, up to date from multiple sections (should it be deemed of interest to other sections).
Webmater, thanks for the reply. It's good to see things moving again.
Dave