CH.4 Dispatches: Keep them out.
07 May 2004, 04:07 PM
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simply do something charitable, you never know you might enjoy it
However I go for animals over humans every time I'm afraid. They are a lot more deserving and unable to help themselves.
I do think a lot of the real spongers out there should be shot (I'm talking mainly about 'our own' now but will quite happily add any 'asylum seekers' who are here just to take the p1ss to that group too), Not those who actually want work and can't find it, just those who make a lifestyle choice to live off the rest of us with their sprogs who will do exactly the same, claiming depression benefit whilst working on the side, claiming cash for their asthmatic kids whilst smoking 40 a day in the same room as them (yes Lizzy) but we're getting off topic now.
There are way too many humans in the world already. How about spending a fraction of what the govt spends on asylum and benefits on preserving some endangered species instead.
07 May 2004, 04:09 PM
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This country is FAR too overcrowded already.
If they are really seeking asylum from oppression, then why don't they go to the nearest safe country? Why come to Britain?
Would it not make more sense to move to a country with a similar culture? E.g. Iraqis try Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran etc.
No, it is simply about them finding a better life for themselves, and who can blame them?
If they are really seeking asylum from oppression, then why don't they go to the nearest safe country? Why come to Britain?
Would it not make more sense to move to a country with a similar culture? E.g. Iraqis try Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran etc.
No, it is simply about them finding a better life for themselves, and who can blame them?
07 May 2004, 04:14 PM
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Another bloody stupid idea by the Americans 
The thing is many of the homelss people you walk past on a daily basis you get to hear and begin to know a little about their personality and its shocking to realise that many of them come across as intelligent and well spoken people - not the down and out scum bags you would normally stereotype them as. One bloke who sells the big issue at the Bridge in my opinion would make a great career in sales, he has a real gift of the gab, he is very outgoing and is determined but not in your face offensive. If he is out selling the big issue in all weather then he is hardly a quitter and sitting about doing **** all. Another, one who I saw go from being another newbie to over the months deteriorate from a fit and healthy looking bloke to literally a bag of bones, long grey hair and beard probaly in his early thirties, I heard talking to a lady who was obviously concerned about him and he came across as well educated and well spoken. These people are not scum as many look down on them as, they need getting off the street and put back on their feet. I know appearances are deceptive and you dont know these people back grounds, but whatever the situation you can't just leave them to rot when you are homing and helping people new to this country who have never offered or contributed anything.
The thing is many of the homelss people you walk past on a daily basis you get to hear and begin to know a little about their personality and its shocking to realise that many of them come across as intelligent and well spoken people - not the down and out scum bags you would normally stereotype them as. One bloke who sells the big issue at the Bridge in my opinion would make a great career in sales, he has a real gift of the gab, he is very outgoing and is determined but not in your face offensive. If he is out selling the big issue in all weather then he is hardly a quitter and sitting about doing **** all. Another, one who I saw go from being another newbie to over the months deteriorate from a fit and healthy looking bloke to literally a bag of bones, long grey hair and beard probaly in his early thirties, I heard talking to a lady who was obviously concerned about him and he came across as well educated and well spoken. These people are not scum as many look down on them as, they need getting off the street and put back on their feet. I know appearances are deceptive and you dont know these people back grounds, but whatever the situation you can't just leave them to rot when you are homing and helping people new to this country who have never offered or contributed anything.
07 May 2004, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
How about spending a fraction of what the govt spends on asylum and benefits on preserving some endangered species instead.
07 May 2004, 04:47 PM
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lol, hope they dont ask for a verbal confirmation of name, the noise would be horrific.
The biggest issue and the hardest to police is definately who is seeking genuine asylum and who is here for economic benefit.
Its an impossible task to get right 100% of the time.
my original point came down to the real reason why the people of Lee are protesting, to preserve their property prices, they used a frenzy of fear and propaganda and ultimately it made them look very silly indeed (see justification from residents in original post), they eventually resorted to blatent racism (20ft banners on the roadside every 100yds) and then set about justifying that. All under the thin veil of anti-asylum.
If you saw the show, and Im sure some did, others didnt, then you will appreciate the truth that outed at the end when they succeeeded, the leader was stuck for words when posed some rather poinient questions and started to look rather embarressed when he realised what the agenda for the show was.
clearly almost everyone has opinions either for or against matter.
Yes, I 100% agree there are good causes closer to home (see mencap rally 29th May 2004 as a single example) and as a christian ALL good causes deserve help if possible.
I am not, nor would I genuinely question anybodies charitable nature, I was using the lowest form of wit unfortunately, sarcasm, and everybody knows it doesnt work in written form.
I just wanted to highlight a situation that happened on my doorstep and I found very distastefull to say the least, especially as some of our own family members were towards the forefront of the campaign.
say what you like, I, like the people of Lee was making a stand, funny how they are now considered pioneers of national pride and I am a God squad do-gooder.
The biggest issue and the hardest to police is definately who is seeking genuine asylum and who is here for economic benefit.
Its an impossible task to get right 100% of the time.
my original point came down to the real reason why the people of Lee are protesting, to preserve their property prices, they used a frenzy of fear and propaganda and ultimately it made them look very silly indeed (see justification from residents in original post), they eventually resorted to blatent racism (20ft banners on the roadside every 100yds) and then set about justifying that. All under the thin veil of anti-asylum.
If you saw the show, and Im sure some did, others didnt, then you will appreciate the truth that outed at the end when they succeeeded, the leader was stuck for words when posed some rather poinient questions and started to look rather embarressed when he realised what the agenda for the show was.
clearly almost everyone has opinions either for or against matter.
Yes, I 100% agree there are good causes closer to home (see mencap rally 29th May 2004 as a single example) and as a christian ALL good causes deserve help if possible.
I am not, nor would I genuinely question anybodies charitable nature, I was using the lowest form of wit unfortunately, sarcasm, and everybody knows it doesnt work in written form.
I just wanted to highlight a situation that happened on my doorstep and I found very distastefull to say the least, especially as some of our own family members were towards the forefront of the campaign.
say what you like, I, like the people of Lee was making a stand, funny how they are now considered pioneers of national pride and I am a God squad do-gooder.
07 May 2004, 06:38 PM
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'I am 100% behind the asylum centre in Lee, which is about 3 miles from my front door.
The centre was going to be for migrants who HAD been granted asylum and would want integrating into the community, thereby positively contributing to both local community and economy.
genuine asylum seekers want to work and stand up for themselves in the large part.'
what a load of absolute drivel
speak to the real ppl you fool on the streets
and that doesnt mean listening to Dracoro and his bible bashing nonsense either
case dismissed...NEXT!!!!!!
The centre was going to be for migrants who HAD been granted asylum and would want integrating into the community, thereby positively contributing to both local community and economy.
genuine asylum seekers want to work and stand up for themselves in the large part.'
what a load of absolute drivel
speak to the real ppl you fool on the streets
and that doesnt mean listening to Dracoro and his bible bashing nonsense either
case dismissed...NEXT!!!!!!
07 May 2004, 06:48 PM
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i will be watching you integrate peanuts with the hoardes of leather-jacketed kosovans that come to benefit your community
hopefully they will culturally enrich your narrow minded town and make it prosper
case dismissed....NEXT!!!!!
hopefully they will culturally enrich your narrow minded town and make it prosper
case dismissed....NEXT!!!!!
07 May 2004, 08:01 PM
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and that doesnt mean listening to Dracoro and his bible bashing nonsense either
You've missed the boat on that one. I'm just about the most non religious person going (with good & valid reasons, search some of my old CWE posts).
07 May 2004, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord Shrek
i will be watching you integrate peanuts with the hoardes of leather-jacketed kosovans that come to benefit your community
07 May 2004, 08:55 PM
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Wow, you lot are harsh on Kosovans!
If the situation was reversed and the UK had finished having a civil war just half a decade ago, Kosovans would be welcoming Brits into their country with open arms (and open chequebooks). They would ensure that the incoming Brits, fleeing for their very lives from a war that ended only years ago, would get better treatment than the needy native Kosovans.
If the situation was reversed and the UK had finished having a civil war just half a decade ago, Kosovans would be welcoming Brits into their country with open arms (and open chequebooks). They would ensure that the incoming Brits, fleeing for their very lives from a war that ended only years ago, would get better treatment than the needy native Kosovans.
08 May 2004, 08:54 AM
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I get your 'gag' Gareth! I think your scenario is even less probable than ordinary decent GB public bying this 'they will enrich us' myth so 'keep 'em coming'. We do it for THEM not for US... I wonder which planet sometimes...
08 May 2004, 11:11 AM
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No broadband in Kosovo so I wouldn't go.
So you see, your comment actually doesn't work but I guess you can see that now.
Broadband wouldn't stop me going to Kosovo, super unleaded might though.
08 May 2004, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord Shrek
'i *was* going to put my point across, but i don't see any point looking at some of the replies'
exactly popeye
we can do without the likes of that bigotted narrow-minded Flat 4 sticking his oar in
exactly popeye
we can do without the likes of that bigotted narrow-minded Flat 4 sticking his oar in
don't you just love NSR, always good for a laugh once in a while
16 July 2004, 05:16 PM
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I thought Erupoean Law said something like the asylum seeker had to seek asylum in the nearest "safe" country... So if we look at our neighbouring countries we have errr
France, Eire, bits of Scandanavia, Iceland (at a push) errr Guernsey... Exactly so how do these "genuiune" asylum seekers get to Britain?
If say a Kosovan (keepin in line with previous posts) was soooo desperate to leave persecution behind, how did they get past Austria, Germany, Belgium and France without relasing they were safe???
Technically there should be no such thing as a genuine assylum seeker seeking assylum in the UK unless there is a civil war in the Faroe Islands that I dont know about????
France, Eire, bits of Scandanavia, Iceland (at a push) errr Guernsey... Exactly so how do these "genuiune" asylum seekers get to Britain?
If say a Kosovan (keepin in line with previous posts) was soooo desperate to leave persecution behind, how did they get past Austria, Germany, Belgium and France without relasing they were safe???
Technically there should be no such thing as a genuine assylum seeker seeking assylum in the UK unless there is a civil war in the Faroe Islands that I dont know about????
16 July 2004, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
I thought Erupoean Law said something like the asylum seeker had to seek asylum in the nearest "safe" country... So if we look at our neighbouring countries we have errr
France, Eire, bits of Scandanavia, Iceland (at a push) errr Guernsey... Exactly so how do these "genuiune" asylum seekers get to Britain?
If say a Kosovan (keepin in line with previous posts) was soooo desperate to leave persecution behind, how did they get past Austria, Germany, Belgium and France without relasing they were safe???
Technically there should be no such thing as a genuine assylum seeker seeking assylum in the UK unless there is a civil war in the Faroe Islands that I dont know about????
France, Eire, bits of Scandanavia, Iceland (at a push) errr Guernsey... Exactly so how do these "genuiune" asylum seekers get to Britain?
If say a Kosovan (keepin in line with previous posts) was soooo desperate to leave persecution behind, how did they get past Austria, Germany, Belgium and France without relasing they were safe???
Technically there should be no such thing as a genuine assylum seeker seeking assylum in the UK unless there is a civil war in the Faroe Islands that I dont know about????
I do think that the EU members should try to sort this b*ll*cking mess out. In some ways if we'd been stronger in the Balkans, then I reckon we'd have less sh*t to worry about at home now.
Next problem will be an influx of "legal" economic migrants from Eastern Europe.
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