CH.4 Dispatches: Keep them out.
07 May 2004, 01:14 PM
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Lord Shrek, stop saying "Case dismissed....NEXT!!!" when you have utterly failed to *Dismiss* the case. It makes you sound like even more of a plank than your opinions could ever do.
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07 May 2004, 01:17 PM
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I have always said that as a christian I believe we have a moral duty to help those less fortunate than ourselves
07 May 2004, 01:34 PM
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astraboy
my opinions are 99.9% of this country
your opinions with your petty race-cards and christian 'welcome them with open arms' NIMBY views are not
you are the worst kind
case dismissed...NEXT!!!
my opinions are 99.9% of this country
your opinions with your petty race-cards and christian 'welcome them with open arms' NIMBY views are not
you are the worst kind
case dismissed...NEXT!!!
07 May 2004, 01:56 PM
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my opinions are 99.9% of this country
Most people I know, people in the office etc. have the general opinion that we should help genuine asylum seekers. As a nation, I rate saving a foreigner from death, torture etc. above whether or not my house is worth 2 or 3 % more than last month. I rate saving them FAR above some ****** on the dole with 15 kids with not intention of any of them working. We're talking about peoples lives here FFS.
As with most things, it's a question of balance. It's not a case of either/or. We can do our bit for the people of this country AND for those of others. Remember we ALL are descended from immigrants at some point or another.
Integration - There are ghetto-like places in this country, but nothing like in other places (US etc.). We in the UK have the most integrated and tolerant society going. What other country has so many races all living reasonably happily under one 'roof'?
07 May 2004, 02:00 PM
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I have always said that as a christian I believe we have a moral duty to help those less fortunate than ourselves
or an asylum centre?
Rather you than me. Don't want the aggro. Can't see whats wrong with that.
I feel more of a moral duty to help animals than humans myself as they are the creatures that humans really punish.
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07 May 2004, 02:01 PM
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As has already been mentioned here, most people don't have a problem with helping those less fortunate or helping those in need (Not many people, when the cards are down, are THAT selfish). But there is a BIG difference between being 'racist' (didn't know the foreign=different race...) and letting people take the p1ss.
I am happy for genuine asylum seekers to seek a better life in the UK, but why should we pay for it? What will we get in return?
If people want to come here to work and earn a living and pay their way: fair play to them - they're more than welcome here. But when you see people on TV (I know I know - media=distortion) SAYING that they're planning to move to the UK to sponge off the state and claim benefits and use the NHS etc and when I see groups of people, during working hours, dressed in jeans (IE - probably not working...) hanging around, I can't help but feel a little bit annoyed...
Basically: You want to come to the UK? FINE, but earn your keep - don't expect me to pay for it.
I am happy for genuine asylum seekers to seek a better life in the UK, but why should we pay for it? What will we get in return?
If people want to come here to work and earn a living and pay their way: fair play to them - they're more than welcome here. But when you see people on TV (I know I know - media=distortion) SAYING that they're planning to move to the UK to sponge off the state and claim benefits and use the NHS etc and when I see groups of people, during working hours, dressed in jeans (IE - probably not working...) hanging around, I can't help but feel a little bit annoyed...
Basically: You want to come to the UK? FINE, but earn your keep - don't expect me to pay for it.
07 May 2004, 02:02 PM
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I rate saving them FAR above some ****** on the dole with 15 kids with not intention of any of them working. We're talking about peoples lives here FFS.
There are a lot of people in this country's cities that are homeless - where is the help for them? Where are their free homes and handouts? They don't get any because they are homeless! Some I know are living that life because they choose to but there are also many who areliving that life because they have run away from somehthing such as abuse and have runaway because society has failed them by not providing them with the help they need and have decided running away to London or wherever is their only choice. These are the people who need help in this country, not the dole scrounging benefit fraudsters!
07 May 2004, 02:17 PM
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I really hope you dont think the above qualifies as those in this country who need help?
07 May 2004, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
Fancy a drug rehab centre in your road? or a sex offenders half way house?
or an asylum centre?
Rather you than me. Don't want the aggro. Can't see whats wrong with that.
or an asylum centre?
Rather you than me. Don't want the aggro. Can't see whats wrong with that.
At least those of us who don't want asylum centres near our houses are honest!
07 May 2004, 02:27 PM
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All this confusion keeps arising between asylum seekers and illegal/economic immigrants - who do you (anyone here) class as a legal asylum seeker? What countries do you consider a problem?
Zimbabwe to me is an obvious one. Any country that is at civil war with itself or under a brutal dictatorship so North Korea would be another. But how many zimbabweans or Noth Koreans have we got coming here? Very few if any I would guess. I think you will find that the majority of those who call themselves asylum seekers are in fact illegal/economic immigrants using asylum as way to prolong their stay while their case is investigated.
Zimbabwe to me is an obvious one. Any country that is at civil war with itself or under a brutal dictatorship so North Korea would be another. But how many zimbabweans or Noth Koreans have we got coming here? Very few if any I would guess. I think you will find that the majority of those who call themselves asylum seekers are in fact illegal/economic immigrants using asylum as way to prolong their stay while their case is investigated.
07 May 2004, 02:31 PM
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btw Lord Shrek and Prince Popeye are one in the same. Popeye used to always say 'case dismissed NEXT' in CWE's until everyone laughed at him so much he changed his name to Shrek, then Lord Shrek, then Prince Popeye, yadayada.
What a plank, posting as two diff usernames in the same thread just so he can back himself up, LOL
NEXT!
What a plank, posting as two diff usernames in the same thread just so he can back himself up, LOL
NEXT!
07 May 2004, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
All this confusion keeps arising between asylum seekers and illegal/economic immigrants - who do you (anyone here) class as a legal asylum seeker? What countries do you consider a problem?
Zimbabwe to me is an obvious one. Any country that is at civil war with itself or under a brutal dictatorship so North Korea would be another. But how many zimbabweans or Noth Koreans have we got coming here? Very few if any I would guess. I think you will find that the majority of those who call themselves asylum seekers are in fact illegal/economic immigrants using asylum as way to prolong their stay while their case is investigated.
Zimbabwe to me is an obvious one. Any country that is at civil war with itself or under a brutal dictatorship so North Korea would be another. But how many zimbabweans or Noth Koreans have we got coming here? Very few if any I would guess. I think you will find that the majority of those who call themselves asylum seekers are in fact illegal/economic immigrants using asylum as way to prolong their stay while their case is investigated.
07 May 2004, 02:50 PM
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The High Court has a lot to answer for! The Government in my opinion would have been right if thats what they said, I do not believe there are very many genuine asylum seekers here at all. They are all economic and here for a free ride 
To add I have no problem with economic immigrants as long as they are here to work and can give some benefit to society and bring their own money with them. Those who meet that criteria are welcomed with open arms as far as im concerned. I will not however accept they should be allowed here just because they want a better style of living provided by benefits and a free house.
To add I have no problem with economic immigrants as long as they are here to work and can give some benefit to society and bring their own money with them. Those who meet that criteria are welcomed with open arms as far as im concerned. I will not however accept they should be allowed here just because they want a better style of living provided by benefits and a free house.
07 May 2004, 03:07 PM
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Short and sweet- fúck them all, close the gates totally. Gather up the illegal immigrants we have now and dump them back.
THEN- SORT OUT THIS COUNTRY FIRST!
Remember, it's my view. I'm píssing sick of seeing areas that I used to frequent as a child looking more like the United Nations and filthy.
Try flaming me if you wish but enough is enough and I'm well enoughed!!!
THEN- SORT OUT THIS COUNTRY FIRST!
Remember, it's my view. I'm píssing sick of seeing areas that I used to frequent as a child looking more like the United Nations and filthy.
Try flaming me if you wish but enough is enough and I'm well enoughed!!!
07 May 2004, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord Shrek
astraboy
my opinions are 99.9% of this country
your opinions with your petty race-cards and christian 'welcome them with open arms' NIMBY views are not
you are the worst kind
case dismissed...NEXT!!!
my opinions are 99.9% of this country
your opinions with your petty race-cards and christian 'welcome them with open arms' NIMBY views are not
you are the worst kind
case dismissed...NEXT!!!
Your opinions may be the same as 99.9% of the country. Thank god your pig headed attitude does not share a similar percentage.
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07 May 2004, 03:13 PM
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all this talk about do-gooders who are happy to preach as long as its away from their patch is slightly annoying in as much as I am 100% behind the asylum centre in Lee, which is about 3 miles from my front door.
The centre was going to be for migrants who HAD been granted asylum and would want integrating into the community, thereby positively contributing to both local community and economy.
genuine asylum seekers want to work and stand up for themselves in the large part.
the business about comparing the ****/Jew-us/asylum seekers is spot on IMHO, they were seeking asylum from persecution and oppression just as these poor people are today.
simply saying "case dismissed, next" just highilights a moronic narrow mindedness that we are trying to discuss, back up these claims with some facts or even well founded opinion and maybe we might be swayed.
Im glad we live in a country where we have a right to freedom of speech and all these views can be publicly aired, if we did not, do you think you would be worthy of asylum elsewhere?
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The centre was going to be for migrants who HAD been granted asylum and would want integrating into the community, thereby positively contributing to both local community and economy.
genuine asylum seekers want to work and stand up for themselves in the large part.
the business about comparing the ****/Jew-us/asylum seekers is spot on IMHO, they were seeking asylum from persecution and oppression just as these poor people are today.
simply saying "case dismissed, next" just highilights a moronic narrow mindedness that we are trying to discuss, back up these claims with some facts or even well founded opinion and maybe we might be swayed.
Im glad we live in a country where we have a right to freedom of speech and all these views can be publicly aired, if we did not, do you think you would be worthy of asylum elsewhere?
Peanuts (God squad do-gooder)
07 May 2004, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Why arnt are own people more important to sort first?
07 May 2004, 03:22 PM
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PMSL @ Spoon, you should be a Euro MP, soon cut through the red tape with that attitude
Peanuts; your view point on welcoming this centre borders on the exceptional in any socierty, you've got me quite worried that there are some really genuine christians still out their..............
Peanuts; your view point on welcoming this centre borders on the exceptional in any socierty, you've got me quite worried that there are some really genuine christians still out their..............
07 May 2004, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
There are'nt any brown nosing points to be scored there, that's why.
07 May 2004, 03:27 PM
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B20, it's a fair question - I'm going to guess that it's because these people have already had offers of help; child support when they are kids, free schools, social service to look after them, health care, etc etc. I think the basic principle is that they have already had lots of opportunities for help, and maybe there's a point where those you see on the street are the ones who have slipped through five nets already and the government can't be arsed to set up a sixth. Whereas those who've just arrived, erm, have just arrived, and the government reckon it's cheaper to pay their housing than to leave them on the street where they'd turn to crime to feed themselves. (Perfectly true to say that some, one can argue about how many, turn to crime anyway.) Those who already have the right to healthcare, education, and a job (if anyone wants to give them one) do not need as much help as those who have no house, no social security ID, no language, and no clue. Dunno, my thoughts.
07 May 2004, 03:37 PM
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Brendan; fair point, is it not the inalienable job of any Govnt to support and protect its people before all else? secondly I really wish I could believe such a set of priorities could be a reason for over looking our own problems, rather than pure global economic greed.
Just my thoughts
Just my thoughts
07 May 2004, 03:37 PM
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I firmly believe that in our society there are ample oppurtunity to help oneself.
there will always be an exception to the rule, many in fact so people do what they can or want to do.
I didnt answer as quick as you'd have liked becasue I am at work and have limited access to the net.
Brown nose points, good one, im sure there are plenty to be had within our own shores, simply do something charitable, you never know you might enjoy it
there will always be an exception to the rule, many in fact so people do what they can or want to do.
I didnt answer as quick as you'd have liked becasue I am at work and have limited access to the net.
Brown nose points, good one, im sure there are plenty to be had within our own shores, simply do something charitable, you never know you might enjoy it
07 May 2004, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
Brown nose points, good one, im sure there are plenty to be had within our own shores, simply do something charitable, you never know you might enjoy it
07 May 2004, 03:44 PM
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Brendan I agree to a point but dont the homeless fail to qualify for the majority of help because they are homeless, ie they cant get jobs becasue they have no fixed address, they wouldnt be able to have a bank account to put any earnings into because they dont have an address. These people need help first in my opinion, get them housed before we house immigrants.
A recent example that hit this home to me was a girl I saw appear at London Bridge doing the begging in the normal spot. She was obviously a newbie, one because on my daily commute I had never seen her there before and two because she was relatively clean and well dressed still, with in a couple of months she would look like the rest if not helped. I thought to myself when I saw her what could be so bad that she has run away from that would make living on the streets of London homeless and in the cold and wet more attractive than staying where she had come from? Its quite a disturbing thought, she could have only been late teens. If she stayed where she was I doubt very much it would be long before she would end up with the others on the alcohol and drugs and looking like death warmed up (not by much though!)
These to me are the people who need help, more than the old soaks who are past helping and its their life and too late for them.
A recent example that hit this home to me was a girl I saw appear at London Bridge doing the begging in the normal spot. She was obviously a newbie, one because on my daily commute I had never seen her there before and two because she was relatively clean and well dressed still, with in a couple of months she would look like the rest if not helped. I thought to myself when I saw her what could be so bad that she has run away from that would make living on the streets of London homeless and in the cold and wet more attractive than staying where she had come from? Its quite a disturbing thought, she could have only been late teens. If she stayed where she was I doubt very much it would be long before she would end up with the others on the alcohol and drugs and looking like death warmed up (not by much though!)
These to me are the people who need help, more than the old soaks who are past helping and its their life and too late for them.
07 May 2004, 03:57 PM
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Bob, she's probably some damn yuppie - have you read this? 
Seriously, this has to be the world's dumbest idea; now no-one will give to beggars as the passer-by doesn't think the beggar really needs it...
Seriously, this has to be the world's dumbest idea; now no-one will give to beggars as the passer-by doesn't think the beggar really needs it...