BedHog

Mine is a JDM - no security Maybe that's why it's insurance group 20.

I stand by what I say though - the ECU could be the ultimate security device - no way to bypass it like other alarms cos it runs the show. OK the pro's could maybe do a quick swap (well probably not quick) but it would cut theft right down. (I'm thinking a keypad like the BlackJax but wired straight into the ECU.

As another ongoing thread has pointed out, standard and aftermarket security is limited because thieves get to know their way around it quickly.

I was pretty dismayed recently when I had a tracker monitor fitted as the insurance company wouldn't accept the retrieve. The bloke who fitted it found the retrieve where he wanted to fit the monitor. Surely that means thieves will soon cotton on to the few places they can be fitted.

yoza

Hello again.

Ive finally got off my **** and phoned my particular tracker company and asked them out right.

After being past from pillar to post, I finally found someone in the know, who was willing to put his neck on the line.....

"Will the technique described by the 'thieving ******' disable my system?"

Technical advisor " Probably, but not defonately, and if it did, it would damage every electrical system on the car."

So there you have it.

richieh

m8 if its what i think it is all u need to do is unplug ecu to protect it and a thief will know where that is
a few fuses will then need swapping plug ecu back in and and then drive off
richie

wheelie_sti

A few years ago local news reported that an astra gte that had been nicked for joyriding had crashed after racing another f**kwhit joyrider.
The gte had crashed in such a way that that the occupants couldn't get out of the car. The fuel line had been damaged and somehow the car caught fire.

The joyriders were 17 and 18 and died inside the car. The scary thing about the whole thing was that a huge grin had appeared on my face at the thought of the thieving scumbags burning up inside.

Now you may read this and think, what a bast**d this guy is for laughing, you're kinda right, but doesn't that tell you the true state of society.
I was just glad that justice was so swift and we were all not f**ked for another generation. I feel it for the poor sap who's car it was but I can think of no more fitting an end if someone stole my scooby.

May they all burn.

wheelie

Scratch

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Been lurking on this thread for a while, and agree with a lot of what is said.

Being an Engineer I can think of several ways that "might" work, and would like to know the technique you mention Yoza (you have PM shortly).

I also agree with what is said elsewhere that the law is no longer a deterent.

I work bloody hard to earn money to buy my family things that give us pleasure. My classic MY98 scooby is one of those things, and to think that someone can take it without my permission, and that if I f**k them up while stopping them it is me that will probably end up in prison on GBH or something. . . .that really makes my blood boil.

And most defintely I agree with Wheelie Sti - I can think of no better end game that satifies everyone. Lawbreakers detered from doing it again without the use of an expensive and overstretched court and detention system. The tax payers can do without the increasing burden of bloody do-gooders campaigning from prisoners rights - they broke the bleedin' law that is generally accepted by the majority of the society in which they live, they have no right to anything let alone to be put up in plush hotels with TV's, etc.

And as for giveing them data protection as well (as a recent unrelated infamous case fell foul of) as I said above they have waived their rights to be treated civilly (data protection rights included) as a result of their own actions.

Rant off.

Yes back to the burned alive bit - suitable ending as far as I'm concerned. if someone takes my car, I hope to never see it again - at least when I thrash it to within an inch of it's life there is still some mechanical sympathy involved (smooth gear change, car warmed through first, not slpped up kerbs etc).

I've had a joyridden car (Citroen Saxo) returned before, it was never the same again despite the very low level of apparent physical damage.

I'm almost ashamed that I feel this way, but I am even more ashamed that society has driven me to this view point by it's inability to deter criminals

LEUVEN

<Delete> and have 2 fitted.

That's literally what you should do.

Terminator X

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Guys.

According to my tracker info, it can be installed in 1 of 38 random locations; there are no stickers anywhere on the car to indicate one is installed; it also has a cat 1 alarm/immobiliser so joyriders will probably have no joy but I agree that a determined thief will be able to take anything assuming that they get enough time undisturbed. My view is that they should move on to the next car if they can't get it moving within a few minutes?

X.

PS

I used to have yale locks (2nd locking system) on an old Golf GTI; seemed to work OK as someone once smashed the window but didn't have the ***** to sit in the car (after climbing through the window) and try to steal it knowing that if someone came out they would be unable to make a sharp exit!

yoza

BTTT For a guy in security......

cong

here are some intresting test results for mechanical locks for cars

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/product...y.php?id=46251

Brun

117 s for the disklock

crusher

Yosa would you mind sending me the info on a pm? Thanks..

mikeDaBike

It doesn't matter where the Tracker is fitted if you can in some way easily jam it's signal, which I'm guessing what this is about.

What about Blackjax? Anyone know if there's a way round that yet?

Also, isn't a barrier deadlock is meant to be nigh on impassible?

hedgehog

There have always been ways to "break" security systems. I guess that the method described to you was something along the lines of the old method of breaking the side indicator and shorting out the wires. On a certain make of car this was on the same fuse as the security system and defeated the security. Simple as that. Of course security systems have moved on but similar methods still work today and my guess is that there is a similar way to destroy a tracker. If I were to be investigating the possibility I can certainly think of a few routes worth considering and I'd be pretty sure one of them would turn up the goods for me.

As for the ECU being the ultimate in security, I have to disagree. Here in sunny Belfast there was a spate of thefts of ECUs. These units where then reprogrammed and installed in cars that were being stolen, allowing the thief to drive off without any concern for the immobiliser. The alarm horn simply had it's wires cut.

As others have pointed out the solution isn't to force the law abiding citizen into expense, stress and complex defence mechanisms. The solution is for the government and police to instigate a process where offenders are quickly and permanently removed from society. That the government are shocked to see society moving more to the right wing just highlights how far out of touch they are with the normal, ordinary, decent folks who have posted in this thread. Watching the way UK politics are going I'm starting to be able to understand how Hitler got voted into government and why his policies were popular, at least initially, with the general population. Let's hope something is done before a similar nutter rises from the crowd in this country.

hugo

I've got an MY53 STi and was just looking through the alarm/immobiliser instruction book. There's a 'Super Lock' option which ignores the key transmitter and requires that you punch your PIN into the alarm keypad to disable the thing. Even if they nick your keys from wherever in your house they could not start the car without major hassle. Would this not be an easy way for better nightime security if you live in a high risk area?

ThrustSSC

It would, but I bet you'd pi55 off the neighbours after a few early mornings - "Super Lock"ing your car sets the alarm off when you get in!

hugo

I've not tried it yet but don't you get a few seconds grace before the alarm squeals?

ThrustSSC

Nope Sorry, mate... Lurvely for peace-of-mind when you go away, though - knowing that NO-ONE but you can start her

Bullring

If having a Tracker fitted keeps the insurance company happy then I'm happy. Simple as that.

Buckrogers

Mate of mine years ago, had flash BMW, he had some custom alarm system thing, where when starting the car, gear had to be in reverse and drivers electric window button pressed "up" when turning the igition.

Sounds like something "custom" is an added security feature for your pride and joy.

Yoza, can u PM me? I like many others thinking about installing tracker, but if its a waste of money, wont bother!

micared

The worst aspect, to my mind anyway, is the resultant chaos that ensues when you actually come face to face with the **** who has been trying to steal your stuff. When I lived in Newcastle a few years ago, my car alarm woke me at about 3 a.m. On arriving outside, I found the car abandoned halfway down the street, the bonnet resting slightly open on its catch, and the drivers side indicator hanging out. There was also a length of chain hanging from the front tow hook. Looking through the gap previously occupied by the indicator, it became apparent that the woud-be thief had slipped his hand in and managed to yank the bonnet cable hard enough for it to open. This simply set the alarm off, but he'd been prepared to try to tow the thing away before giving up. I'd lived in the area for a long time, and on making a few enquiries amongst the more unsavoury types locally, kept on hearing the same persons name. In the meantime, my girlfriend at the time, who I was living with, had contacted the Police to report the crime. The P.C. we dealt with confirmed, in a roundabout manner, that I was looking in the right direction, commenting that if he had any say in the matter the '' little ******* would be at the bottom of the Tyne " . Turned out this lad kept him busier than the rest of the local criminal population combined. The P.C. left, muttering something about " if you catch up with him, don't hit him around the head too much, it's difficult to explain ". Music to my ears this, so I redoubled my efforts to find him. This guy got wind I was looking for him, and his response to that, unbelievably, was to turn up at the house when he knew I was out, and threaten my girlfriend. This moved the game on for me, and I made a point of finding him. After a short exchange, I ended up assaulting him, in the heat of the moment, predictably, a lot more severely than I had intended ( although I did bear in mind the advice of the P.C., thankfully ). Later that day, that same P.C. arrested me , informing me there had been a witness to the assault, but assuring me not to worry. Upon making a statement, with his help, it was suggested that I had been attacked, and in the process of defending myself, the other party had come off worst. With the guy I had assaulted not wanting to make a statement, I tried to forget about the impending court case, but the worst was yet to come. Turned out he was stealing the car on commision, for a crowd of nutters who wanted to use it on a post office job, and because he was now in hospital ( yes, the assault was that bad ), they no longer had a reliable source of stolen transport. I moved my girlfriend out, and had to start leaving the car at a friends house, some distance away, as they were threatening to torch it. They also, on occasion, turned up at my house with shotguns, but in the end this was resolved by another local, er, shall we say '' ''colourful" character, who took excption to their visits to "his" street, and was becoming worried that they would draw attention to his own dubious behaviour. I have no idea how he went about this, he didn't venture an explaination, and I thought it ungrateful to ask, but he left with the suggestion that I should bring my girlfriend home, and not even worry about locking the car from then on. I seem to remember scanning the newspapers endlessly for stories of unsolved murders or mysterious disappearances, but gradually began to relax. I can laugh about it now, but it was a bloody nightmare at the time. My motto is still," Sod the law, it' justice I'm interested in ", I just tend to think about the consequences more these days. ....move to Newcastle, live the dream!! ( just kidding, it's my home town ).

Steve Whitehorn

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agree with hedgehog. Well said
Micared know where you are coming from - must have been a bit of a nightmare.
Steve