DETTONATION/MELTDOWN PISTON 2
27 February 2004, 10:27 AM
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Factory ECUs can be modified using ECUTEK. (See, banner adverts appearing on this site of occasion)
This will allow for adjustment (Within inbuilt parameters ) To allow for modifications that have been added to car.
Costs @ £650
You can of course use many aftermarket ECU replacements(More expensive to buy and will still have to be set up)
Did you mention APEXI FC (Thats what I run.)
LInk and MOTEC are a couple of others.
Think Everyones advice here has been relevant.
And indeed I think alot of what you say about our cars is also correct
However it's the context in which it is written which is awry
I am a mechanical technician to trade (In the Nuclear Industry).
And whilst I'm certainly capable of doing all the removal and fitting of parts.
When it comes to tuning the ECU .
Best get professionals.
Many people are buying IMPREZA's. Basing their purchase on performance and
not realising that this comes at greater care in service. Espescially if modified.
Think All the "pub talk" comes from people who Know one of these many people.
Taking advice from the Scoobynet Is bound to be more sound .
Than from a mate in "The Pub" (Who hasn,t owned an IMPREZA) But Knows a GUY who's had 3 and they've all blown up
That's where the bad reputations come from.
And that GUY is you!
Steve.
Factory ECUs can be modified using ECUTEK. (See, banner adverts appearing on this site of occasion)
This will allow for adjustment (Within inbuilt parameters ) To allow for modifications that have been added to car.
Costs @ £650
You can of course use many aftermarket ECU replacements(More expensive to buy and will still have to be set up)
Did you mention APEXI FC (Thats what I run.)
LInk and MOTEC are a couple of others.
Think Everyones advice here has been relevant.
And indeed I think alot of what you say about our cars is also correct
However it's the context in which it is written which is awry
I am a mechanical technician to trade (In the Nuclear Industry).
And whilst I'm certainly capable of doing all the removal and fitting of parts.
When it comes to tuning the ECU .
Best get professionals.
Many people are buying IMPREZA's. Basing their purchase on performance and
not realising that this comes at greater care in service. Espescially if modified.
Think All the "pub talk" comes from people who Know one of these many people.
Taking advice from the Scoobynet Is bound to be more sound .
Than from a mate in "The Pub" (Who hasn,t owned an IMPREZA) But Knows a GUY who's had 3 and they've all blown up
That's where the bad reputations come from.
And that GUY is you!
Steve.
27 February 2004, 11:30 AM
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I know I may be opening another can of worms here,but some of the things you have just said go back to my point of 'these cars are for tech wizards'.
I have messed with cars for sometime now and I know there are alot of 'pub mechanics ' out there
but lots of the talk does start from something usualy valid.
Any way to get to the point, the pub talk nowdays is that the Skyline is the ultimate,the Evo is best alrounder and the scoob is sh1te coz of its engine(at least that is in my area).
Once again you can dismiss my case coz the main man GM thinks im a '****'
but Im sure this wont be the last anyone will hear such comments. Mark and Ozzy have also added to these comments.
Although this may apply only to imports,(uk drivers beware too) so far the answer is 'spend money on a knock link ,spend money on a remap,spend the extra on Optimax,
Doh. It stands to reason that if you import a high performance turbocharged car from a market in which the standard pump fuel is 100 octane, you're going to have to take steps to narrow the gap when the options in the UK are nominally rate at 95, 97 or 98 RON. Again, this would apply equally to a Skyline or an imported Lancer. The comments about the advisability of a KnockLink also apply equally to these cars (indeed any turbocharged car) when modifying.
Sorry?you want more power? Ok get your parts only from a specialist,fitted by a specialist,oh yeh and get it remapped again.
Yep very user friendly(not).
The average user seems to be a little more sensible/less inclined to tinker than you, fortunately.
27 February 2004, 11:39 AM
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My story
Buys MY00 car back in 2000, modifed the car a little, sold after 3.5 lovely years of ownership
and buys another brand new scoob, this time a JDM STi spec C.
First things first, gets knocklink fitted, goes out and buys large stock of octane booster, car runs very well and with 1300+ miles on the clock (oil change at 1k) is still (note the still part) running the car in until around the 1500 mile time. Car comes with VF36 turbo and is lots of fun, no sign of knock on knock link (worries me a little as will have to ensure its working properly) car very happy, me very happy, take the right precautions and car and owner will have long and happy life together
Tony
Buys MY00 car back in 2000, modifed the car a little, sold after 3.5 lovely years of ownership
and buys another brand new scoob, this time a JDM STi spec C.First things first, gets knocklink fitted, goes out and buys large stock of octane booster, car runs very well and with 1300+ miles on the clock (oil change at 1k) is still (note the still part) running the car in until around the 1500 mile time. Car comes with VF36 turbo and is lots of fun, no sign of knock on knock link (worries me a little as will have to ensure its working properly
) car very happy, me very happy, take the right precautions and car and owner will have long and happy life together Tony
27 February 2004, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sg72
dij.
Factory ECUs can be modified using ECUTEK. (See, banner adverts appearing on this site of occasion)
This will allow for adjustment (Within inbuilt parameters ) To allow for modifications that have been added to car.
Costs @ £650
You can of course use many aftermarket ECU replacements(More expensive to buy and will still have to be set up)
Did you mention APEXI FC (Thats what I run.)
LInk and MOTEC are a couple of others.
Think Everyones advice here has been relevant.
And indeed I think alot of what you say about our cars is also correct
However it's the context in which it is written which is awry
I am a mechanical technician to trade (In the Nuclear Industry).
And whilst I'm certainly capable of doing all the removal and fitting of parts.
When it comes to tuning the ECU .
Best get professionals.
Many people are buying IMPREZA's. Basing their purchase on performance and
not realising that this comes at greater care in service. Espescially if modified.
Think All the "pub talk" comes from people who Know one of these many people.
Taking advice from the Scoobynet Is bound to be more sound .
Than from a mate in "The Pub" (Who hasn,t owned an IMPREZA) But Knows a GUY who's had 3 and they've all blown up
That's where the bad reputations come from.
And that GUY is you!
Steve.
Factory ECUs can be modified using ECUTEK. (See, banner adverts appearing on this site of occasion)
This will allow for adjustment (Within inbuilt parameters ) To allow for modifications that have been added to car.
Costs @ £650
You can of course use many aftermarket ECU replacements(More expensive to buy and will still have to be set up)
Did you mention APEXI FC (Thats what I run.)
LInk and MOTEC are a couple of others.
Think Everyones advice here has been relevant.
And indeed I think alot of what you say about our cars is also correct
However it's the context in which it is written which is awry
I am a mechanical technician to trade (In the Nuclear Industry).
And whilst I'm certainly capable of doing all the removal and fitting of parts.
When it comes to tuning the ECU .
Best get professionals.
Many people are buying IMPREZA's. Basing their purchase on performance and
not realising that this comes at greater care in service. Espescially if modified.
Think All the "pub talk" comes from people who Know one of these many people.
Taking advice from the Scoobynet Is bound to be more sound .
Than from a mate in "The Pub" (Who hasn,t owned an IMPREZA) But Knows a GUY who's had 3 and they've all blown up
That's where the bad reputations come from.
And that GUY is you!
Steve.
From where did you get your Apexi ecu remapped?
Also interested to know what sort of a difference it made and how much it cost for the mapping .
At last someone seems to agree on some of the points Im making (not saying all).
Agree, I could do with brushing up on my method of explanation.
I do still like the car and I will probably end up going the rebuild route with David API.
I have already said Scooby net is the perfect way of learning about your car,and
Ive learnt alot from this thread .
will continue to use SN.
As for 'pub talk I have never put down a car that I own (especially the scoob),It would be silly of me to tell everyone that my project failed,
on here I dont mind taking abuse from others if my opinion is controversial,besides im picking up usefull things on the way.
However point taken about the friends giving it a bad reputation.
Info on the PFC would be much apreciated.
Thanks
27 February 2004, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
Agree the Evo is the best all rounder, but parts are cheaper and more available for Subarus. Skyline is a little heavy IMHO. A 450 BHP Skyline does not go like a 450 BHP Scooby.
Bad tuning will blow up any engine. Subarus engines being alloy often with cast pistons do not take extreme tuning as well as Evo and Skyline engines.
I'm not a technical wizard. I have no technical qualifications of relevance and my occupation is totally unrelated. I have just learned on the car. I have just treaded cautiously with commonsense.
To lose 3 engines it does sound like a series of failures have occurred.
You've lost Cossie pistons as quickly as Subaru ones I gather.
Engine integrity is not the issue. Setup and tuning are. Plus in the case of Subarus not driving them continually at very high speeds.
Bad tuning will blow up any engine. Subarus engines being alloy often with cast pistons do not take extreme tuning as well as Evo and Skyline engines.
I'm not a technical wizard. I have no technical qualifications of relevance and my occupation is totally unrelated. I have just learned on the car. I have just treaded cautiously with commonsense.
To lose 3 engines it does sound like a series of failures have occurred.
You've lost Cossie pistons as quickly as Subaru ones I gather.
Engine integrity is not the issue. Setup and tuning are. Plus in the case of Subarus not driving them continually at very high speeds.
27 February 2004, 08:17 PM
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DIJ,well done for responding back to a lot of the quite nasty posts on here,you will in time get to know the good users and who to ask advice off,Mr Banks being one of them, as for some of the others they all p#ss in the same bucket and will all lovingly k#ss each others pistons (Kn#bs) at the slightest oppurtunity.
Remember,live and learn.
Good luck with the car.
Zippy
Remember,live and learn.
Good luck with the car.
Zippy
27 February 2004, 10:28 PM
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APEXI FC .purchased and fitted And Baseline mapped by RC. Developments.
APEXI Boost controller. Fitted by same Mapped by Andy F.
ALL in @£1500 (Quite a bit.But with plenty mods you need to pay for peace)
Steve.
BTW.Picking correct advice is also important With a certain Knowledge of what you want to achieve.
You have attracted Two or three top notch advisors to your thread.
Now you have to choose. Which ones?
I'm a chooser. Not an advisor.
APEXI FC .purchased and fitted And Baseline mapped by RC. Developments.
APEXI Boost controller. Fitted by same Mapped by Andy F.
ALL in @£1500 (Quite a bit.But with plenty mods you need to pay for peace)
Steve.
BTW.Picking correct advice is also important With a certain Knowledge of what you want to achieve.
You have attracted Two or three top notch advisors to your thread.
Now you have to choose. Which ones?
I'm a chooser. Not an advisor.
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27 February 2004, 10:49 PM
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as to prices for mapping on the apexi power fc Andy F charges around £200 for the initial re-map and £50 after that if you add more mods and need it re-doing.
Andy mapped my car and has done many others on here with very good results.
unfortunately the same can not be said for RC DEVELOPMENTS.
Andy mapped my car and has done many others on here with very good results.
unfortunately the same can not be said for RC DEVELOPMENTS.
27 February 2004, 11:20 PM
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Johnny Gavs, Right(True in my experience).
RC. Will fit. Mapping:Only, what they think
Andy F. Not too keen on fitment, but wizard mapper(And Supplies an excellent Turbo IMHO).
Steve.
RC. Will fit. Mapping:Only, what they think
Andy F. Not too keen on fitment, but wizard mapper(And Supplies an excellent Turbo IMHO).
Steve.
28 February 2004, 12:44 AM
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AndyF is a well respected Engineer on here. Who has worked his "Magic" on many
cars, Impreza and otherwise .
Would normally Post @ Drivetrain +projects Forums
Check him out!
Stays @10 miles from myself. Scotland S.E. of edinburgh. (Arn't I lucky)
Andy is totally dedicated to car performance and is constantly on the lookout for anything that can achieve his aims.
This guy is not to be underestimated. As i'm sure all who have met will testify.
Steve.
cars, Impreza and otherwise .
Would normally Post @ Drivetrain +projects Forums
Check him out!
Stays @10 miles from myself. Scotland S.E. of edinburgh. (Arn't I lucky)
Andy is totally dedicated to car performance and is constantly on the lookout for anything that can achieve his aims.
This guy is not to be underestimated. As i'm sure all who have met will testify.
Steve.
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Advice etc
Waj, Now I understand, I had an inkling that it might be you but on here dragging a real name out of some posters is not easy.
I think you should get the mechanicals running consistently as a first step then you can look at the tweaks to get it to do what you want.
Call me again in the week if you like and we'll see if we can get you going.
David API Engines.
but on here dragging a real name out of some posters is not easy.I think you should get the mechanicals running consistently as a first step then you can look at the tweaks to get it to do what you want.
Call me again in the week if you like and we'll see if we can get you going.
David API Engines.
29 February 2004, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by APIDavid
Waj, Now I understand, I had an inkling that it might be you but on here dragging a real name out of some posters is not easy.
I think you should get the mechanicals running consistently as a first step then you can look at the tweaks to get it to do what you want.
Call me again in the week if you like and we'll see if we can get you going.
David API Engines.
but on here dragging a real name out of some posters is not easy.I think you should get the mechanicals running consistently as a first step then you can look at the tweaks to get it to do what you want.
Call me again in the week if you like and we'll see if we can get you going.
David API Engines.
was a little embarassed to admit coz you probably think
that I would have known better.I hope this hasnt changed your opinion too much on me.
I hope your not thinking I was refering to you when I say I was mislead by
tuners,your advice was the best advice at the time "send it to me and Ill do you a good good job at a good price".I 'should' have listened.No point crying now though.
Unlike some of the advice from others "Just get cossie pistons and run it on OM,itll last forever".
When recently asking about the turbo from the same person,I got "The vf34 wouldnt make a difference that you or I would notice,perhaps Nigel Mansell would be able to tell the difference".
Anyway I will get in touch asap,but first I need to try and work out what route to take, rebuild or replace.Money is the biggest factor here as I have very little left.You already gave me prices,so I dont want to ring you and waste your valuable time just talking when you could be making money.However I am a
little curious to find out your opinion on this story.Might call If I get a spare minute during the day.
API DO ALL PARTS FOR SUBARU IMPREZAS.THEY ALSO DO QUALITY ENGINES/REBUILDS FOR MOST OTHER MAKES/MODELS
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29 February 2004, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sg72
AndyF is a well respected Engineer on here. Who has worked his "Magic" on many
cars, Impreza and otherwise .
Would normally Post @ Drivetrain +projects Forums
Check him out!
Stays @10 miles from myself. Scotland S.E. of edinburgh. (Arn't I lucky)
Andy is totally dedicated to car performance and is constantly on the lookout for anything that can achieve his aims.
This guy is not to be underestimated. As i'm sure all who have met will testify.
Steve.
cars, Impreza and otherwise .
Would normally Post @ Drivetrain +projects Forums
Check him out!
Stays @10 miles from myself. Scotland S.E. of edinburgh. (Arn't I lucky)
Andy is totally dedicated to car performance and is constantly on the lookout for anything that can achieve his aims.
This guy is not to be underestimated. As i'm sure all who have met will testify.
Steve.
Will probably start a new thread to find out info on the power fc.
Once again thanks to every one who has helped.
Will keep you informed on progress.
29 February 2004, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
My story
no sign of knock on knock link (worries me a little as will have to ensure its working properly) car very happy, me very happy, take the right precautions and car and owner will have long and happy life together
Tony
no sign of knock on knock link (worries me a little as will have to ensure its working properly
) car very happy, me very happy, take the right precautions and car and owner will have long and happy life together Tony
Just to get GM started again,I Note Mr Burns worries about the knock link.
Not taking the Mick MR TB,but its the worrying that is the 'unsatisfying' part of the relationship.
Wish you lots of luck.
29 February 2004, 10:25 PM
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My final thought
I realise that my thread started off sounding a little f#cked.
Maybe it still does.
I have already admitted to making a mistake with the 'engine rebuild',using the wrong turbo,not getting a remap,and using a mechanic that rides on horse back.
I know I have touched on a different issue about reliability.This would have probably been better to start in a different thread/forum.Its not easy trying to get people to subscribe to a point of view when the bases of your argument start from what seems to be a 'bodge up'.
GM, I have understood all you have said, absorbed your extra comments,and hope you can help again in the future.Hopefully with a simple question like:
What parts do I need for a 100k service.
Finally I have a story which you can interprate however you like(a true story and its not about my car).
Mr x decides he wants to part ex his mondeo in for something a bit more special.
Goes to his local Used car dealer with his two children.
Sees many nice cars but an Impreza catches his eye.
The sales man gives his piece "Excellent choice,this ones got FSH ,turbo timer,gauges etc blah blah"
Mr x sees another with a huge wing on the back,children say"daddy daddy that ones much nicer".Sales man"Oh that ones a special one,its got much more power,its totally as standard,low miles,FSH,AC climate,better seats,blah blah".Mr x not sure about the spoiler but put off by the visable wires and tacky looking instruments on the first car.
Sales man" If your Mondeo can do over 120k miles,the Jap car will do more.
Mr x knows the car has won WRC come top in jd power, is feeling rather excited.
Mr x takes a test drive in both,cant believe the performance of 'the special one',children going crazy.
Goes home,checks insurance,not a prob with age + no claims.
Dealer giving a good price in PX + a 1 year warranty.
Mr x very happy,children happy,dealer happy.
Happiness continues to grow .Mr x feeling like a youth again.
Months pass
Mr x driving somewhere,then tic tic tic tak tak tak tack clack clack klack klunk klunk.
Mr x not happy any more,claims warranty,warranty b4st4rd,dealer b4st4rd.
mr x confused,picks up auto trader,calls part supplier,gives story,
asks if any engines in stock....I tell him sorry out of stock,try this number.............
Maybe it still does.
I have already admitted to making a mistake with the 'engine rebuild',using the wrong turbo,not getting a remap,and using a mechanic that rides on horse back.
I know I have touched on a different issue about reliability.This would have probably been better to start in a different thread/forum.Its not easy trying to get people to subscribe to a point of view when the bases of your argument start from what seems to be a 'bodge up'.
GM, I have understood all you have said, absorbed your extra comments,and hope you can help again in the future.Hopefully with a simple question like:
What parts do I need for a 100k service.
Finally I have a story which you can interprate however you like(a true story and its not about my car).
Mr x decides he wants to part ex his mondeo in for something a bit more special.
Goes to his local Used car dealer with his two children.
Sees many nice cars but an Impreza catches his eye.
The sales man gives his piece "Excellent choice,this ones got FSH ,turbo timer,gauges etc blah blah"
Mr x sees another with a huge wing on the back,children say"daddy daddy that ones much nicer".Sales man"Oh that ones a special one,its got much more power,its totally as standard,low miles,FSH,AC climate,better seats,blah blah".Mr x not sure about the spoiler but put off by the visable wires and tacky looking instruments on the first car.
Sales man" If your Mondeo can do over 120k miles,the Jap car will do more.
Mr x knows the car has won WRC come top in jd power, is feeling rather excited.
Mr x takes a test drive in both,cant believe the performance of 'the special one',children going crazy.
Goes home,checks insurance,not a prob with age + no claims.
Dealer giving a good price in PX + a 1 year warranty.
Mr x very happy,children happy,dealer happy.
Happiness continues to grow .Mr x feeling like a youth again.
Months pass
Mr x driving somewhere,then tic tic tic tak tak tak tack clack clack klack klunk klunk.
Mr x not happy any more,claims warranty,warranty b4st4rd,dealer b4st4rd.
mr x confused,picks up auto trader,calls part supplier,gives story,
asks if any engines in stock....I tell him sorry out of stock,try this number.............
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
Mr x should have bought a Knock Link and AFR
Sorry, couldn't resist.
MB
Sorry, couldn't resist.
MB
So I suppose he sounds like a '****'.
(please dont start GM,IM only pulling your ,BANANA')
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dij,
The main reason i got the knocklink is incase i get a bad tank of fuel, Bob Rawle had the laptop on a Spec C yesterday, no knock what so ever, it was running extremely well on optimax and octane booster and the ecu was happier than a pig in s**t
I think with all JDM cars you should have a knocklink fitted though, especially the older cars who's ecu's are not very adaptable.
Tony
The main reason i got the knocklink is incase i get a bad tank of fuel, Bob Rawle had the laptop on a Spec C yesterday, no knock what so ever, it was running extremely well on optimax and octane booster and the ecu was happier than a pig in s**t
I think with all JDM cars you should have a knocklink fitted though, especially the older cars who's ecu's are not very adaptable.
Tony
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Just on the serious side, Mr X needs to research his imports and UK models before buying.... Maybe purchase a parkers guide or a 'book' - I bought a UK because I was scared that an import wouldn't run on regular 'UK' fuel and that I couldn't talk to the original owners or service garages....Now maybe I know enough, but not then..
Perhaps I'm **** ?
I'm not having a go at anyone, I'm just re-iterating my 'err on the side of caution' tale ... Once bitten, twice shy >
Good Luck with the rebuild / new engine - and, genuinely, if you do need anything that I can help with (Can't actually think what that might be...), do ask !
I'm sure that, as you say, the adverse reaction of members was due to the 'bullish' way that the story started, but everyone starts somewhere,and some people learning knocks (no pun intended) are harder than others
Mark
Perhaps I'm **** ?
I'm not having a go at anyone, I'm just re-iterating my 'err on the side of caution' tale ... Once bitten, twice shy >
Good Luck with the rebuild / new engine - and, genuinely, if you do need anything that I can help with (Can't actually think what that might be...), do ask !
I'm sure that, as you say, the adverse reaction of members was due to the 'bullish' way that the story started, but everyone starts somewhere,and some people learning knocks (no pun intended) are harder than others
Mark
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Originally Posted by markwild
Good Luck with the rebuild / new engine - and, genuinely, if you do need anything that I can help with (Can't actually think what that might be...), do ask !
I'm sure that, as you say, the adverse reaction of members was due to the 'bullish' way that the story started, but everyone starts somewhere,and some people learning knocks (no pun intended) are harder than others
Mark
I'm sure that, as you say, the adverse reaction of members was due to the 'bullish' way that the story started, but everyone starts somewhere,and some people learning knocks (no pun intended) are harder than others
Mark
Yep, bullish it was. I was ready to start fixing my car with my trusty sledge
hammer at first.Luckily Ive been made to see sense.
...err seriously...... can I ....err ....borrow your car? I wont f#ck it up honestly....
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Waj,
No you haven't caused me to change my opinion of you !!
LOL
Figure that one out !!
Laughs even louder !!!
David
No you haven't caused me to change my opinion of you !!
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Figure that one out !!
Laughs even louder !!!
David
02 March 2004, 01:29 PM
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Was down Christchurch and Stevenage over the weekend and yesterday, doing a "go-live" for SAP... still, 3 days of work out of 365 isn't too bad I s'pose...
02 March 2004, 04:48 PM
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Can't say it was my cup of tea either... Bitch to get to as well from the Midlands. The M1 doesn't quite go near enough, and so you end up going through some very strange areas. One area's got this white gate across the road, on the main road in/out... wtf's all that about...?! It's only missing one thing - a sign saying 'Welcome to Royston Vasey'... Still, the owner insists on buying these bloody companies, and expecting muggins here to "support their IT requirements"...
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