davegtt

pah. fords, u wanna get in a 700kg R5 with enough horsepower to put a scooby to shame, only reason the scooby *MITE* have a chance is due to traction

messiah

I used to argue with a lad I worked with about his RS Turbo and my old 309 GTI. He kept saying I should get a quicker car but I said I already had a quicker car than him. I had no idea how the 2 matched up but just used to argue cos he got so wound up.

One day, I let him borrow it - and the first he said when he brought it back was "OK - I believe you..."

still got the old pug too! v. under-rated and good for winding the Corsa boys up

plater

Bit strange all you subaru lovers comparing the all wheel drive turboed 2 litre fourpot scooby with fords humble front wheel drive 1600 turboed escort, not exactly a fair match is it, you lot should be ashamed that a mk4 escy with £500 of performance mods can keep up with your "supercars" You should be drawing comparisons with the cosworth , not it's little brother....shame on you all !!!!!!

misty

Plater, We don't think our cars are "supercars" We don't compare RSTs with Subaru's, and therefore we are not ashamed. What we do know is that "off the peg" no RST on earth could stay with a Subaru. And if you have come on to the forum just to try and instigate a Subaru/RST argument, then I'am afraid your in for along wait!! Also just as aside, only the original "B" & "C" reg RST were genuine "RS's" the rest were just escorts with aturbo bolted on.
dave

chrisp

I do , 0-60 4.3 same as a 550 Maranello and a 911 GT3

Scuba

Hold up lads,

A slightly modified RST could beat a standard scoob turbo but neva beat the special editions like the P1,22B,TYPE R/A's etc. But at the end of the day if u had a scoob with say 300bhp and a RST with 300bhp as well the RST would only beat the scoob downthe quarter, the rest like top speed and track the RST would be mauled!!!

dazc2

300bhp RST mauled on top speed? If the 300bhp Scoob can manage to get over the 160 something point something mph that the fastest RST can do then fair play.

def

Whats the biggest BHP a 1.8 could achieve if a 1.7 couldnt achieve 280bhp?

def

LOL @ the 309 pug owner

plater

"Plater, We don't think our cars are "supercars" We don't compare RSTs with Subaru's, and therefore we are not ashamed. What we do know is that "off the peg" no RST on earth could stay with a Subaru. And if you have come on to the forum just to try and instigate a Subaru/RST argument, then I'am afraid your in for along wait!! Also just as aside, only the original "B" & "C" reg RST were genuine "RS's" the rest were just escorts with aturbo bolted on." - Comment posted by Misty

Guess i offended someone with my first post, never mind eh! and as for trying to instigate a scooby versus rst argument... well there was already four pages on this thread before i posted so looks like you don't need any help from me...by the by comparing impreza performance with rs turbo performance is like pitting Lennox Lewis against Ricky (The Hitman) Hatton, you know , kind of one sided wouldn't you agree?

[Edited by plater - 11/22/2003 10:01:18 PM]

dazc2

Depends on the design of the engine....

Each engine is different and has different restrictions and problems to over come.

chrisp

1500bhp out of 1.5 see page 2

A 300bhp R/RA will hit the limiter in 5th thats 8250rpm in 5th at 19.7mph/1000rpm about 163mph. An unmodified 276bhp R/RA will run a low 13 1/4 straight out the box.


[Edited by chrisp - 11/23/2003 1:12:21 PM]

misty

Plater! I did realise it was only your second posting, that is why you did not receive the full misty verbal mauling!
dave

Hol

iTrader: (1)

Valid point, But can I then take a £750 Maestro Turbo and spend £3250. on the engine and chassis?. After all they always beat the 'equivalent tuned' RST's down the strip. Most embarrassing for you

Also, In your example does that £4k include all 280bhp ZVH engine and transmission (incl Shocks and wheels/tyres) mods as well as the cost purchase price of the BOG standard 130bhp base vehicle to equate to the 6K MY95 205bhp UK Subaru?

47 NAT

Thats if you can find a Maestro that doesnt need the eqivalent spent on welding

misty

LOL @ Nat

dazc2

£750 Maestro? Is it gold plated?

John Laverick

Buy the Maestro by all means but I honestly don't think £3250 would you get you the performance of a 4K RST.

The 4K RST example is based on buying a good car with a few choice mods already fitted and spending the rest on tuning. My own 200BHP 1.9 engined car cost me roughly this much and I can ensure you its a match for quite a few Subaru Turbos. When I compare the performance of the two cars I only compare road performance.

I wasn't using the 280BHP RS Turbo as comparison as this would cost a lot more (Although you could buy one already done second hand for not much more)

Cosworth427

If I had 3-4K for modifications for my MK3 Supra Turbo, I would be giving Murcielagos and Porsche GT2's a real scare, let alone a few frankensteined RS Turbos.

Big powered RS's (By MK4 Escort standards) usually powered by bored out ZVH power plants, I've seen as large as 2.2 litres. Engine transplants, plus engine modifications not only cost alot more money, but you're going to put your car into someone else's hand to do all the hard work - still, no guarantees that it will run great.

I don't think the advantages in the RS-Turbo lies in the price of modifications (expensive compared to Supras), it's just the low kerb weight (sub 1000KG with CVH engine) which makes HP gains more noticable. And you won't need much power to go quick, but you need alot of money to make BIG power.

Carl2

I didn't think Garett made a T5 turbo.
Weren't Severn Valley Motorsport gettinng close to 300bhp out of rsturbos getting on for 10 years ago?
Throw over 3000 at a meastro turbo and you'll have one fast car, I had the montego turbo(same engine and chassis). £0 can get you 50bhp more (straight to 200bhp@14psi):- diy mod on the carb needle and tweeked actuator rod. Then you need a clutch, hybrid turbo, uprated intercooler, fast road head is useful but not needed, same with chargecooler, I took mine as far as it would go as very few turners do bits for it and would only claim 240bhp (ish) enough to do high 13 qtrs. The main bits for mine cost around £2000 to get to that bhp.
Alternate route would be to transplant a 16valve T series engine in and tweek that to about 250, (should be do-able for about £3)
What spec does a £4k rsturbo get you? Haven't seen it unless I missed it?
Why do scooby owners get upset every time someone says "my car can beat your scooby" Thay all go on the offensive and it gets embarrassing to read. If I got beat by another car, I'd get some more power so it doesn't happen again

Scuba

I personally think that the only desent fords for performance are the cossies, at the end of the day no one can turn round and say there just an upgraded ford engine.

A still think scoobs are alround better for tuning compared to RST, also it depends on how old u are cause of the mahem back in the late 80's with RST's and saphy cossies.

Carl2

Wasn't the cossie engine based on a modified pinto engine? Or is my memory finally failing?:$

plater

Yes your right it is and the original 3 door running gear was basically carried over from the older cortinas of the late seventies, but that doesn't alter the fact that the cosworths are basically fully race bred machines, seriously de-tuned for the road, in fact ford/Cosworths special vehicle dept, whilst developing the original cosworths had major trouble getting the engine down to 204 BHP. That is why for around £500 power can be increased up to stage 3 that's 330 BHP without compromising reliability or practicality. Lets be honest the original cosworth 3 doors are now going on for twenty years old, even the newest of the 4x4 sapphires is now ten years old yet they are still the benchmark by which all other performance cars are measured.

Redkop

Also a good Cossie still commands a very high price, mine at
9 years old has an agreed valuation of £18k. A decent 3 dr is anything between 7-10k, an RS500 anything between 12-20k and an Esc Cos between 12-18k. Not bad for 'old' cars is it?

plater

Better still though sapphires can now be had for peanuts, 2WD's are going for £2-3000 and you can pickj up a perfectly useable 4x4 for around £3500-£4000, thats next to no money for a helluva lot of car, and because they are at bottom money the only way is up, in a couple of years when all the dross have been broken or smashed the ones that are left will go up in price. Motto is buy yourself an appreciating classic now whilst they are cheap, stick it in the garage and rag a scooby around day to day because in ten years time they will be worthless whilst your garaged RS will be worth a small fortune........watch this space all those who disagree!!!!