ACHTUNG ACHTUNG..330 ...is ...gone!!!!
22 June 2001, 09:38 PM
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chins, i give you 2 months till you trade in for ANYTHING else 
are your hands shaking yet, ready to 'just pop in' to a dealer? tempted to read top marques? not once? go on, give in to it hee! hee!
thanks for the reassurance polarbearit
its a lovely car and will be well treated by me 
out of interest, i dont think it has a model sticker on the back? pink one on the front, red engine bits, but i cant remember seeing any wrx or sti stickers.full sti documentation though, and interior etc etc is this ok?
and one other thing chins...
i STILL havent warmed to the looks of a my01. ive tried, but it just doesnt spin my props
are your hands shaking yet, ready to 'just pop in' to a dealer? tempted to read top marques? not once? go on, give in to it hee! hee!
thanks for the reassurance polarbearit
its a lovely car and will be well treated by me out of interest, i dont think it has a model sticker on the back? pink one on the front, red engine bits, but i cant remember seeing any wrx or sti stickers.full sti documentation though, and interior etc etc is this ok?
and one other thing chins...
i STILL havent warmed to the looks of a my01. ive tried, but it just doesnt spin my props
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>Gary
You always seem to post about the huge savings you make in running cost of the BMW vs Scooby. Have you a breakdown to show this ?. Am I missing something ?
Jonathan[/quote]
Here goes..
Subaru cost over 17k per year..
Cost £27500, sold for £15000 = £12500
Servicing = £990
14 tyres @ 125 each = £1750
3 set of front pads, 1 rears = £240
Petrol
42k miles (c8klitres)=£7000 (after bus. mileage allowance)
2 new wheels due to potholes= £340
Total £22820 in 16months
Gives cost per year of £17115
and thats before any mods
Difficult to gauge BM so far, but I am just over £400 per month better off on fuel - £200 per month on Diesel Vs £500 on SUL, plus just over a £100 per month extra on business mileage expenses (higher IR allowance on a 3-litre car ) = £5000 per year saving
Tyres have lost 1.5mm of tread (1mm on front) in 10500 miles, which equates to less than a rear set per year, with almost 2 years out of fronts, and cost just under £100 each = £1000 per year saving
Servicing will be £250 per year = £500 saving
£150 per year or so saving on brake pads
£300 per year saving on insurance
So thats almost £7000 per year better off, before depreciation
After depreciation is taken into account, the beemer will save me over £10000 per year (assuming a pesamistic 20% depreciation per year) - £11000 per year if you count mods
....however, the Impreza will always come out on top in the 'thrill' stakes
Has that located the 'missing something'
<B>Gary
You always seem to post about the huge savings you make in running cost of the BMW vs Scooby. Have you a breakdown to show this ?. Am I missing something ?
Jonathan[/quote]
Here goes..
Subaru cost over 17k per year..
Cost £27500, sold for £15000 = £12500
Servicing = £990
14 tyres @ 125 each = £1750
3 set of front pads, 1 rears = £240
Petrol
42k miles (c8klitres)=£7000 (after bus. mileage allowance)2 new wheels due to potholes= £340
Total £22820 in 16months
Gives cost per year of £17115
and thats before any mods Difficult to gauge BM so far, but I am just over £400 per month better off on fuel - £200 per month on Diesel Vs £500 on SUL, plus just over a £100 per month extra on business mileage expenses (higher IR allowance on a 3-litre car
) = £5000 per year savingTyres have lost 1.5mm of tread (1mm on front) in 10500 miles, which equates to less than a rear set per year, with almost 2 years out of fronts, and cost just under £100 each = £1000 per year saving
Servicing will be £250 per year = £500 saving
£150 per year or so saving on brake pads
£300 per year saving on insurance
So thats almost £7000 per year better off, before depreciation
After depreciation is taken into account, the beemer will save me over £10000 per year
(assuming a pesamistic 20% depreciation per year) - £11000 per year if you count mods ....however, the Impreza will always come out on top in the 'thrill' stakes
Has that located the 'missing something'
22 June 2001, 11:58 PM
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Sorry, but some of your figures dont look right.
Judging by your mileage you must be doing loads of Motorway miles. Therefore you must really of altered your driving style in the BMW. To go through over three sets in a Scooby, but only expecting to do one set of rears in the BMW seems like two different drivers. In my old 328 in 1 year I went through 4 tyres in 25,000 miles (and I had less torque to transfer throught the wheels)
Fuel wise assuming such high Motorway miles you should of been getting 25mpg out of the Scooby. The BMW I would expect 45, although Car mag gets less than 35. So although there is a big saving there cant see it being that big. If you tell me you get less than 25 out of the scooby, then equally I would expect your right foot to bring the 300d figure closer to 35.
You are doing 3500 miles per month. Saying you do 45mpg in the BMW = 78 gallons x £3.50 for diesel ? = £273.00
Subaru = £ 511.00 @ 3.65/gallon
The depreciation one is interesting. Using Tins web site and taking a UK300 vs 330D. Over 3 years 90,000 the guaranteed figures for both cars show an equal loss. I think you just got caught out specing up the Impreza. The same is true though with a BMW, add Sat Nav, Harmon Kardon, Sports Seats, 18 inch wheels, Xenons etc and they to are worth diddly squat at the end. My M3 will just have HK and a 6 cd due to this fact.
I dont doubt that you are making a great saving, but that is purely down to your high miles. Personally I would run the same car as you in that position, 40,000 miles per year in a MY00 is enough to do any driver in. The lack of refinement killed me off a few times.
Again not doubting your choice in car, but not as convinced your savings whilst large are that big.
Jonathan
Sorry, but some of your figures dont look right.
Judging by your mileage you must be doing loads of Motorway miles. Therefore you must really of altered your driving style in the BMW. To go through over three sets in a Scooby, but only expecting to do one set of rears in the BMW seems like two different drivers. In my old 328 in 1 year I went through 4 tyres in 25,000 miles (and I had less torque to transfer throught the wheels)
Fuel wise assuming such high Motorway miles you should of been getting 25mpg out of the Scooby. The BMW I would expect 45, although Car mag gets less than 35. So although there is a big saving there cant see it being that big. If you tell me you get less than 25 out of the scooby, then equally I would expect your right foot to bring the 300d figure closer to 35.
You are doing 3500 miles per month. Saying you do 45mpg in the BMW = 78 gallons x £3.50 for diesel ? = £273.00
Subaru = £ 511.00 @ 3.65/gallon
The depreciation one is interesting. Using Tins web site and taking a UK300 vs 330D. Over 3 years 90,000 the guaranteed figures for both cars show an equal loss. I think you just got caught out specing up the Impreza. The same is true though with a BMW, add Sat Nav, Harmon Kardon, Sports Seats, 18 inch wheels, Xenons etc and they to are worth diddly squat at the end. My M3 will just have HK and a 6 cd due to this fact.
I dont doubt that you are making a great saving, but that is purely down to your high miles. Personally I would run the same car as you in that position, 40,000 miles per year in a MY00 is enough to do any driver in. The lack of refinement killed me off a few times.
Again not doubting your choice in car, but not as convinced your savings whilst large are that big.
Jonathan
23 June 2001, 06:54 AM
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Chins,
on the motorway the BMW 330CI will do about 32mpg in manual form, averaging say, 75 mph. It struggles to get high than that.
That is the manual, the auto is worse.
My STi V will average 27-28mpg at the same pace on the motorway.
Spud,
you should drop an email to Ian Sutton - he got all shirty with me suggesting that an STi V could be had for around £15k
Enjoy the V - I have one on my drive (alongside 330CI)
Trout
on the motorway the BMW 330CI will do about 32mpg in manual form, averaging say, 75 mph. It struggles to get high than that.
That is the manual, the auto is worse.
My STi V will average 27-28mpg at the same pace on the motorway.
Spud,
you should drop an email to Ian Sutton - he got all shirty with me suggesting that an STi V could be had for around £15k
Enjoy the V - I have one on my drive (alongside 330CI
)Trout
23 June 2001, 09:55 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>Gary
Sorry, but some of your figures dont look right.
Judging by your mileage you must be doing loads of Motorway miles. Therefore you must really of altered your driving style in the BMW. To go through over three sets in a Scooby, but only expecting to do one set of rears in the BMW seems like two different drivers. In my old 328 in 1 year I went through 4 tyres in 25,000 miles (and I had less torque to transfer throught the wheels)
Fuel wise assuming such high Motorway miles you should of been getting 25mpg out of the Scooby. The BMW I would expect 45, although Car mag gets less than 35. So although there is a big saving there cant see it being that big. If you tell me you get less than 25 out of the scooby, then equally I would expect your right foot to bring the 300d figure closer to 35.
You are doing 3500 miles per month. Saying you do 45mpg in the BMW = 78 gallons x £3.50 for diesel ? = £273.00
Subaru = £ 511.00 @ 3.65/gallon
The depreciation one is interesting. Using Tins web site and taking a UK300 vs 330D. Over 3 years 90,000 the guaranteed figures for both cars show an equal loss. I think you just got caught out specing up the Impreza. The same is true though with a BMW, add Sat Nav, Harmon Kardon, Sports Seats, 18 inch wheels, Xenons etc and they to are worth diddly squat at the end. My M3 will just have HK and a 6 cd due to this fact.
I dont doubt that you are making a great saving, but that is purely down to your high miles. Personally I would run the same car as you in that position, 40,000 miles per year in a MY00 is enough to do any driver in. The lack of refinement killed me off a few times.
Again not doubting your choice in car, but not as convinced your savings whilst large are that big.
Jonathan [/quote]
If you are interested (I'm an accountant by training so I keep these sort of figures )
Most figures quoted are actual not just estimated! On fuel, the Subaru averaged about a tenner short of £500 per month, the BM has so far averaged around £212 per month (Scooby tank - just under £55 to fill a 55 litre tank with SUL, BM normally £43 to fill a 60 litre tank with cheap diesel). Average mileage is around 2600/2700 per month (not 3500?), and surprisingly hasn't dropped despite the lack 'going out for a blast for the hell of it' or 'going home the long way' about 1500 of monthly total is motorway. I did get 25mpg (sometimes higher) on the motorway, but this was offset with high teens off motorway and low-mid teens at a weekend And living in Lancashire, the poilce ensure I didn't go hell-for-leather everywhere
Driving style hasn't altered noticably, other than as anyones would from a 290hp sports saloon to a heavier diesel 'comfort' saloon. Yes I 'cruise' down the b-road rather than playing 'Burns', but if anything motorway cruise speed is higher. Biggest difference is that there are no Track day excursions (did four in the 16 month with the scoob).
Tyres, again I can only go on actuals so far. The Continentals on the BMW have only lost 1.5mm rear/1mm front in 10500 miles 10500 miles in the scoob would have seen the SO2s 75% worn, or fully shot if that included a track day
Despreciation wise, I don't doubt that the UK300 would have the same depreciation as the 330d, but then my same-price-as-an-RB5 impreza lost almost twice what an RB5 would have done. Thats the strength of a limited edition! My car is reasonably well specc'd, leather/CC+s.roof/Xenons/wood trim/various electronic gizmos, but even so, and backed up by the GFV figures I was given, it won't loose even close to an averaged 20% per year over the first 2 years. Even first year depreciation is only pegged at 15-18% depending to who you listen to. PLUS the Touring body style should help it retain value more. Most financiers I spoke to would base a GFV on the car losing 35% over 2 years, with the expectation it would lose 28-30%, which puts it alomst half what I got with the impreza, and if true, bumps the annual saving as above to nearer £11500 as I'd used £6000 per year depr. as a more generous figure.
Time will tell if the £10000/£11500 will comensate for the lack of '*****-out' thrills But hence the planned caterham
<B>Gary
Sorry, but some of your figures dont look right.
Judging by your mileage you must be doing loads of Motorway miles. Therefore you must really of altered your driving style in the BMW. To go through over three sets in a Scooby, but only expecting to do one set of rears in the BMW seems like two different drivers. In my old 328 in 1 year I went through 4 tyres in 25,000 miles (and I had less torque to transfer throught the wheels)
Fuel wise assuming such high Motorway miles you should of been getting 25mpg out of the Scooby. The BMW I would expect 45, although Car mag gets less than 35. So although there is a big saving there cant see it being that big. If you tell me you get less than 25 out of the scooby, then equally I would expect your right foot to bring the 300d figure closer to 35.
You are doing 3500 miles per month. Saying you do 45mpg in the BMW = 78 gallons x £3.50 for diesel ? = £273.00
Subaru = £ 511.00 @ 3.65/gallon
The depreciation one is interesting. Using Tins web site and taking a UK300 vs 330D. Over 3 years 90,000 the guaranteed figures for both cars show an equal loss. I think you just got caught out specing up the Impreza. The same is true though with a BMW, add Sat Nav, Harmon Kardon, Sports Seats, 18 inch wheels, Xenons etc and they to are worth diddly squat at the end. My M3 will just have HK and a 6 cd due to this fact.
I dont doubt that you are making a great saving, but that is purely down to your high miles. Personally I would run the same car as you in that position, 40,000 miles per year in a MY00 is enough to do any driver in. The lack of refinement killed me off a few times.
Again not doubting your choice in car, but not as convinced your savings whilst large are that big.
Jonathan [/quote]
If you are interested
(I'm an accountant by training so I keep these sort of figures )Most figures quoted are actual not just estimated! On fuel, the Subaru averaged about a tenner short of £500 per month, the BM has so far averaged around £212 per month (Scooby tank - just under £55 to fill a 55 litre tank with SUL, BM normally £43 to fill a 60 litre tank with cheap diesel). Average mileage is around 2600/2700 per month (not 3500?), and surprisingly hasn't dropped despite the lack 'going out for a blast for the hell of it' or 'going home the long way'
about 1500 of monthly total is motorway. I did get 25mpg (sometimes higher) on the motorway, but this was offset with high teens off motorway and low-mid teens at a weekend And living in Lancashire, the poilce ensure I didn't go hell-for-leather everywhere Driving style hasn't altered noticably, other than as anyones would from a 290hp sports saloon to a heavier diesel 'comfort' saloon. Yes I 'cruise' down the b-road rather than playing 'Burns', but if anything motorway cruise speed is higher. Biggest difference is that there are no Track day excursions (did four in the 16 month with the scoob).
Tyres, again I can only go on actuals so far. The Continentals on the BMW have only lost 1.5mm rear/1mm front in 10500 miles
10500 miles in the scoob would have seen the SO2s 75% worn, or fully shot if that included a track day Despreciation wise, I don't doubt that the UK300 would have the same depreciation as the 330d, but then my same-price-as-an-RB5 impreza lost almost twice what an RB5 would have done. Thats the strength of a limited edition! My car is reasonably well specc'd, leather/CC+s.roof/Xenons/wood trim/various electronic gizmos, but even so, and backed up by the GFV figures I was given, it won't loose even close to an averaged 20% per year over the first 2 years. Even first year depreciation is only pegged at 15-18% depending to who you listen to. PLUS the Touring body style should help it retain value more. Most financiers I spoke to would base a GFV on the car losing 35% over 2 years, with the expectation it would lose 28-30%, which puts it alomst half what I got with the impreza, and if true, bumps the annual saving as above to nearer £11500 as I'd used £6000 per year depr. as a more generous figure.
Time will tell if the £10000/£11500 will comensate for the lack of '*****-out' thrills
But hence the planned caterham
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Spudgun,
I have the part number for the correct STI sticker that goes on the back of your car if you want to order one. There are four different ones. 2 variants that go on coupes which are similar but have a different colour depending on car colour and 2 variants that go on the 4 door which are similar but have a different colour again depending on car colour. White, silver and yellow cars get one sticker, and black, WRC (Sonic)blue, and cool grey (blue steel) get the other sticker of the variants, coupe type sticker or four door sticker.
The sticker that goes on your car has the WRX bit written in a blue and green colour with yellow outline and the line underneath the WRX is in pink with STI also written in pink.
If you want to order from I.M. Subaru and that's if they supply, the part number is 93070FA130, ITCA part number 1 ST99800ST440
If Subaru UK do not supply you can buy one from Graham Goode Racing, but you'll probably have to describe it as I have above as I don't think they use the Subaru part number.
WREXY.
I have the part number for the correct STI sticker that goes on the back of your car if you want to order one. There are four different ones. 2 variants that go on coupes which are similar but have a different colour depending on car colour and 2 variants that go on the 4 door which are similar but have a different colour again depending on car colour. White, silver and yellow cars get one sticker, and black, WRC (Sonic)blue, and cool grey (blue steel) get the other sticker of the variants, coupe type sticker or four door sticker.
The sticker that goes on your car has the WRX bit written in a blue and green colour with yellow outline and the line underneath the WRX is in pink with STI also written in pink.
If you want to order from I.M. Subaru and that's if they supply, the part number is 93070FA130, ITCA part number 1 ST99800ST440
If Subaru UK do not supply you can buy one from Graham Goode Racing, but you'll probably have to describe it as I have above as I don't think they use the Subaru part number.
WREXY.
23 June 2001, 06:53 PM
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Spudgun
Sorry to hijack your thread.
Gary
Being in Sales and therefore always needing to question beancounters logic
You quote a fill for the Scooby at £55.00. You buy cheap diesel, but Super Super Super Premium Unleaded
£55.00 for 55 litres = £1.00/ litre
2700 @ 25mpg = 108 gallons @3.65 = £394
Seems more like it to me, especially if your the type of driver that uses 1.0mm of tread in 10,000 miles. And you live in Lancashire where the police are hot.
On your residual on the car, nothing I can see would lead me to believe you will get over £20k in two years 50,000 miles. Tins for example would guarantee £13,500. Fleetnews expects in 3 years 60,000 miles £12,000. My gut feeling is that like the Scooby you will have a bit of a shock come resale. When I bought the 328 over two years 50,000miles the dealers were claiming similar figures. I lost what they claimed in two years in one. This was a two years ago and before the price falls.
Still doesnt stop it being a grat car though.
Jonathan
Fleet manager as well as Sales manager at my company.
Sorry to hijack your thread.
Gary
Being in Sales and therefore always needing to question beancounters logic
You quote a fill for the Scooby at £55.00. You buy cheap diesel, but Super Super Super Premium Unleaded
£55.00 for 55 litres = £1.00/ litre
2700 @ 25mpg = 108 gallons @3.65 = £394
Seems more like it to me, especially if your the type of driver that uses 1.0mm of tread in 10,000 miles. And you live in Lancashire where the police are hot.
On your residual on the car, nothing I can see would lead me to believe you will get over £20k in two years 50,000 miles. Tins for example would guarantee £13,500. Fleetnews expects in 3 years 60,000 miles £12,000. My gut feeling is that like the Scooby you will have a bit of a shock come resale. When I bought the 328 over two years 50,000miles the dealers were claiming similar figures. I lost what they claimed in two years in one
. This was a two years ago and before the price falls.Still doesnt stop it being a grat car though.
Jonathan
Fleet manager as well as Sales manager at my company.
24 June 2001, 08:12 AM
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statistics schmatistics....if i did 40k miles a year, i would be driving a 330d, without question, cheaper to run or not.
if i do around 5k max a year, i would drive an sti 5.
330 is a GREAT car, hate beemer dealers all u like, but its the most comfortable refined car ive owned, and a pleasure to be in. its quick too, even in auto form.
difference between a scooby and a 330?
one is 'alive'.....one is just a machine
statistics schmatistics....if i did 40k miles a year, i would be driving a 330d, without question, cheaper to run or not.
if i do around 5k max a year, i would drive an sti 5.
330 is a GREAT car, hate beemer dealers all u like, but its the most comfortable refined car ive owned, and a pleasure to be in. its quick too, even in auto form.
difference between a scooby and a 330?
one is 'alive'.....one is just a machine
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wrexy
cheers for the help
just noticed a little pink sti badge on the front wings too, cool
dont know if i wanna put stickers on the **** end or not. it looks clean and uncluttered, but if i put 'em on, then at least it lets beemers know whats just overtaken them
cheers for the help
just noticed a little pink sti badge on the front wings too, cool
dont know if i wanna put stickers on the **** end or not. it looks clean and uncluttered, but if i put 'em on, then at least it lets beemers know whats just overtaken them
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>
You quote a fill for the Scooby at £55.00. You buy cheap diesel, but Super Super Super Premium Unleaded
[/quote]
That's part of the saving
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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£55.00 for 55 litres = £1.00/ litre
[/quote]
mmmm - used to pay more like 89-93/litres - scoob must have 60l tank? or Shell garage ripped me off
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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2700 @ 25mpg = 108 gallons @3.65 = £394
[/quote]
3.65 per gal/80p per litre for SUL?? where do you live
Only just over half was on motorway or equlivalent - so would be more more like 1500 at 27 mpg, 700 at c20 mpg and 400 at c15mpg, and 100 at c10mpg - which gives an average of nearer 20mpg, which sounds more like it for a 290hp impreza
From Oct 99 to Feb 01 I paid an average cost of 91.5p/litre (415p/gallon), gives £514.77 per month - which is about what I used to spend
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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Seems more like it to me, especially if your the type of driver that uses 1.0mm of tread in 10,000 miles. And you live in Lancashire where the police are hot.
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1.5mm in 10500 is only on the BM - I WISH I could get SO2s to last as well as that on the Impreza - I got through a set of SO2s in 12-14000, less if there was a track day involved
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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On your residual on the car, nothing I can see would lead me to believe you will get over £20k in two years 50,000 miles. Tins for example would guarantee £13,500. Fleetnews expects in 3 years 60,000 miles £12,000. My gut feeling is that like the Scooby you will have a bit of a shock come resale. When I bought the 328 over two years 50,000miles the dealers were claiming similar figures. I lost what they claimed in two years in one. This was a two years ago and before the price falls.
[/quote]
But that is another advantage of the oil-burning power Several finance houses (including BMW) put 24 month GFV at 60-65% (Petrols were well over 50% at that mileage). Either way it is still going to depreciate around half the speed of the Impreza
Worst case - it loses 25% each year (unlikely given identical 25-30k mileage 330d tourings are currently going for around 80% of new price) the annual saving will still be over 9k
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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Still doesnt stop it being a grat car though.
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It is - as was the Impreza just different forms of greatness
PS - Accountant Vs Sales - never was going to be a 100% agreement
[This message has been edited by GaryC (edited 24 June 2001).]
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You quote a fill for the Scooby at £55.00. You buy cheap diesel, but Super Super Super Premium Unleaded
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That's part of the saving
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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£55.00 for 55 litres = £1.00/ litre
[/quote]
mmmm - used to pay more like 89-93/litres - scoob must have 60l tank? or Shell garage ripped me off
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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2700 @ 25mpg = 108 gallons @3.65 = £394
[/quote]
3.65 per gal/80p per litre for SUL?? where do you live
Only just over half was on motorway or equlivalent - so would be more more like 1500 at 27 mpg, 700 at c20 mpg and 400 at c15mpg, and 100 at c10mpg
- which gives an average of nearer 20mpg, which sounds more like it for a 290hp impreza From Oct 99 to Feb 01 I paid an average cost of 91.5p/litre (415p/gallon), gives £514.77 per month - which is about what I used to spend
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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Seems more like it to me, especially if your the type of driver that uses 1.0mm of tread in 10,000 miles. And you live in Lancashire where the police are hot.
[/quote]
1.5mm in 10500 is only on the BM - I WISH I could get SO2s to last as well as that on the Impreza - I got through a set of SO2s in 12-14000, less if there was a track day involved
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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On your residual on the car, nothing I can see would lead me to believe you will get over £20k in two years 50,000 miles. Tins for example would guarantee £13,500. Fleetnews expects in 3 years 60,000 miles £12,000. My gut feeling is that like the Scooby you will have a bit of a shock come resale. When I bought the 328 over two years 50,000miles the dealers were claiming similar figures. I lost what they claimed in two years in one
. This was a two years ago and before the price falls.[/quote]
But that is another advantage of the oil-burning power
Several finance houses (including BMW) put 24 month GFV at 60-65% (Petrols were well over 50% at that mileage). Either way it is still going to depreciate around half the speed of the Impreza Worst case - it loses 25% each year (unlikely given identical 25-30k mileage 330d tourings are currently going for around 80% of new price) the annual saving will still be over 9k
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
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Still doesnt stop it being a grat car though.
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It is - as was the Impreza
just different forms of greatness PS - Accountant Vs Sales - never was going to be a 100% agreement
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24 June 2001, 09:00 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by spudgun:
<B>chins and gary c
statistics schmatistics....if i did 40k miles a year, i would be driving a 330d, without question, cheaper to run or not.
if i do around 5k max a year, i would drive an sti 5.
330 is a GREAT car, hate beemer dealers all u like, but its the most comfortable refined car ive owned, and a pleasure to be in. its quick too, even in auto form.
difference between a scooby and a 330?
one is 'alive'.....one is just a machine[/quote]
Ditto on all points
<B>chins and gary c
statistics schmatistics....if i did 40k miles a year, i would be driving a 330d, without question, cheaper to run or not.
if i do around 5k max a year, i would drive an sti 5.
330 is a GREAT car, hate beemer dealers all u like, but its the most comfortable refined car ive owned, and a pleasure to be in. its quick too, even in auto form.
difference between a scooby and a 330?
one is 'alive'.....one is just a machine
[/quote]Ditto on all points
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i 'think' it is!!
have sent him an email to check reg number. for what its worth, if it is the same car( it IS identical to the one i just bought)
then he REALLY looked after it. the car is 2 years old and IMMACULATE, and tastefully done.
the cars a credit to him
shame he never got what he asked for when he advertised it on here, coz its worth it. mind you, i lost a massive amount on the my00 i sold
ah well, turned out ok in the end
i 'think' it is!!
have sent him an email to check reg number. for what its worth, if it is the same car( it IS identical to the one i just bought)
then he REALLY looked after it. the car is 2 years old and IMMACULATE, and tastefully done.
the cars a credit to him
shame he never got what he asked for when he advertised it on here, coz its worth it. mind you, i lost a massive amount on the my00 i sold
ah well, turned out ok in the end
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Gary
I should be an auditor not a Sales Manager
Maybe it living down South where its cheaper to Live
Super Unleaded is 82-85/litre = £3.78 Max. If you were paying over 90p/ litre someone must of seen you drive on the forecourt and alter the price
Diesel is 77/litre
Plus if you had wanted to you could of run your Scooby on Unleaded if your that fussed with figures - yes even with a PPP
Another figure to audit you on is the 290bhp from your UK car. Even with PPP and fully decated exhaust 270 is about max. Would you overestimate our company profits by 10%
And a final figure. Tourings might well be on the forecourt for 80% of their resale value after one year. RB5's are on the forecourt for 80% of their value after 2 years. So maybe the BMW will be twice the depreciation of the Impreza
Arguing over figures is what I enjoy.
Jonathan
I should be an auditor not a Sales Manager
Maybe it living down South where its cheaper to Live
Super Unleaded is 82-85/litre = £3.78 Max. If you were paying over 90p/ litre someone must of seen you drive on the forecourt and alter the price
Diesel is 77/litre
Plus if you had wanted to you could of run your Scooby on Unleaded if your that fussed with figures - yes even with a PPP
Another figure to audit you on is the 290bhp from your UK car. Even with PPP and fully decated exhaust 270 is about max. Would you overestimate our company profits by 10%
And a final figure. Tourings might well be on the forecourt for 80% of their resale value after one year. RB5's are on the forecourt for 80% of their value after 2 years. So maybe the BMW will be twice the depreciation of the Impreza
Arguing over figures is what I enjoy.
Jonathan
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nightmare!
my girlfriends parents were having a dinner party last night and 'i had to go'
guess who was there! only the bleedin bmw dealer who sold me the soddin car
i died of embarrassment when i had to tell him i sold the thing!felt uncomfortable all night
this world is way too small sometimes!
my girlfriends parents were having a dinner party last night and 'i had to go'
guess who was there! only the bleedin bmw dealer who sold me the soddin car
i died of embarrassment when i had to tell him i sold the thing!felt uncomfortable all night
this world is way too small sometimes!
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chins, you dont wanna know
oh, you do eh?
i lost 2k on beemer
i got sti for a VERY good price.
i think it balanced itself up in the end kind of.
i really hope thats it for a while
its your turn next
oh, you do eh?
i lost 2k on beemer
i got sti for a VERY good price.
i think it balanced itself up in the end kind of.
i really hope thats it for a while
its your turn next
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chins:
<B>Gary
I should be an auditor not a Sales Manager
Maybe it living down South where its cheaper to Live
Super Unleaded is 82-85/litre = £3.78 Max. If you were paying over 90p/ litre someone must of seen you drive on the forecourt and alter the price
Diesel is 77/litre
Plus if you had wanted to you could of run your Scooby on Unleaded if your that fussed with figures - yes even with a PPP
Another figure to audit you on is the 290bhp from your UK car. Even with PPP and fully decated exhaust 270 is about max. Would you overestimate our company profits by 10%
And a final figure. Tourings might well be on the forecourt for 80% of their resale value after one year. RB5's are on the forecourt for 80% of their value after 2 years. So maybe the BMW will be twice the depreciation of the Impreza
Arguing over figures is what I enjoy.
Jonathan
[/quote]
Arguing over figures is what I get paid for!!!
I know SUL is a bit cheaper now, but when I sold the scoob it was high-80s/early-90s pence per litre - but has it really dropped 5-10p per litre?
Diesel is 77p/litre round here (or 73p per litre with the Sainsbury 4p off )
...And I did once use NUL in the scoob, but the drop off in mpg (to say nothing of the loss of horses) made it cost-ineffective
My impreza put out 287hp after all mods - PPP, straight thru centre, downpipe, induction kit, SS BB, on SUL (was 268 without downpipe, 258 without d/p & centre section, 246 as std MY99 PPP) - and you should know a good accountant will always underestimate profits
And the RB5 may have only lost 20%, but it is a limited edition - BIG difference. Normal/Std MY99s have lost more like 50-60% in 2 years (or 45% in 16 months in my case ;( )
PS - did you have a letter in Autocar this week? or is it another 6th impreza owning Jonathon who has just bought a UK300 above another P1?
<B>Gary
I should be an auditor not a Sales Manager
Maybe it living down South where its cheaper to Live
Super Unleaded is 82-85/litre = £3.78 Max. If you were paying over 90p/ litre someone must of seen you drive on the forecourt and alter the price
Diesel is 77/litre
Plus if you had wanted to you could of run your Scooby on Unleaded if your that fussed with figures - yes even with a PPP
Another figure to audit you on is the 290bhp from your UK car. Even with PPP and fully decated exhaust 270 is about max. Would you overestimate our company profits by 10%
And a final figure. Tourings might well be on the forecourt for 80% of their resale value after one year. RB5's are on the forecourt for 80% of their value after 2 years. So maybe the BMW will be twice the depreciation of the Impreza
Arguing over figures is what I enjoy.
Jonathan
[/quote]
Arguing over figures is what I get paid for!!!
I know SUL is a bit cheaper now, but when I sold the scoob it was high-80s/early-90s pence per litre - but has it really dropped 5-10p per litre?
Diesel is 77p/litre round here (or 73p per litre with the Sainsbury 4p off
)...And I did once use NUL in the scoob, but the drop off in mpg (to say nothing of the loss of horses) made it cost-ineffective
My impreza put out 287hp after all mods - PPP, straight thru centre, downpipe, induction kit, SS BB, on SUL (was 268 without downpipe, 258 without d/p & centre section, 246 as std MY99 PPP) - and you should know a good accountant will always underestimate profits
And the RB5 may have only lost 20%, but it is a limited edition - BIG difference. Normal/Std MY99s have lost more like 50-60% in 2 years (or 45% in 16 months in my case ;( )
PS - did you have a letter in Autocar this week? or is it another 6th impreza owning Jonathon who has just bought a UK300 above another P1?
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PS - did you have a letter in Autocar this week? or is it another 6th impreza owning Jonathon who has just bought a UK300 above another P1?
[/B][/QUOTE]hee! hee! this ive gotta get
is it the latest issue? i will see tommorrow
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Last weeks issue. They did edit it a bit. In fact the bit when I praised the P1. Think I'll stick to questioning beanies rather than journalism
Was expecting to get some grief on here about it !!
Jonathan
Was expecting to get some grief on here about it !!
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i only have the 13th june issue. will see if i can get last weeks at my newsagents tommorrow.
as for grief? we'll see after i put your letter on here...hee! hee! hee!
as for grief? we'll see after i put your letter on here...hee! hee! hee!
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by spudgun:
<B>i only have the 13th june issue. will see if i can get last weeks at my newsagents tommorrow.
as for grief? we'll see after i put your letter on here...hee! hee! hee![/quote]
It would be my pleasure...
- in a friendly, fellow-scooby-community-member supportive way.....
<B>i only have the 13th june issue. will see if i can get last weeks at my newsagents tommorrow.
as for grief? we'll see after i put your letter on here...hee! hee! hee!
[/quote]It would be my pleasure...
- in a friendly, fellow-scooby-community-member supportive way.....
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damn! tried my newsagents , but they dont have back issues. anyone else here got that issue? if u have, any chance you can put on here what chins(jonathan) said? i'd LOVE to see it
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by spudgun:
<B>damn! tried my newsagents , but they dont have back issues. anyone else here got that issue? if u have, any chance you can put on here what chins(jonathan) said? i'd LOVE to see it[/quote]
Just for you.....
<B>damn! tried my newsagents , but they dont have back issues. anyone else here got that issue? if u have, any chance you can put on here what chins(jonathan) said? i'd LOVE to see it
[/quote]Just for you.....
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