just taken Redstuff pads out of a daily driven Legacy SpecB and greatly improved the all round braking efficiency in simply putting high quality OEM pads back in there............

saved a chunk of £££ to boot

 

Strange! We rarely have any complaints about the Reds, what made you choose reds over another colour?

 

stockcar its alyn from asperformance, most probably You did not give him chance to earn money of You

 

most probably they were simply crap for their intended use and wasn't my choice to use them in the first place...........not interested in profit over practicality

real shame as we have tried to support UK business many times over the years

 

main complain should be to subaru for fitting crap brake kit to legacy than fluid, brake lines ,discs and im sure red pads will do a job on a daily car

 

i have tracked all my subarus bar the 340R doing aprox 20,000 track miles and 180,000 road miles.
braided lines and high temp DOT 4 front and back Pads alway same type. i never mix compounds.
Everyone has there own feel and rare get ideal pad for both cold road & hot track. Also wieght difference of classic and heavier newage

ive ran many different makes and types pads. Average Trackday distane 200 miles, One mile on track is about simuar wear as 65 road miles.

4x oem Brembo not bad but noisey cold okay 7 laps

2x DS DS2500 great OEM replacement. great on classic okay 9 laps
1x DS3000 okay 13 laps great on 100% track cars but diabolical cold on road cold. did 500m on road 250m track and stacks left but binned

1x Pagid Black great cold, poor wear. at brands 7 laps completely lost pedal friction material left metal pad.
pumped brakes lucky bent metal plate. never use Pagid ever again. i was second car that day lost brakes on pagid

1x Perfomane Friction. brilliant pads but megabucks 16+ laps but me and car faded first

3x EBC Red cermic classic good all round 10 laps, not as good on newage 8 laps
4x EBC yellow newage good alround 10 laps
2x EBC Blue use on newage 450bhp T25 and good for 12 laps
1x EBC Yellow on my shopping 340R scoob

Tony IMHO

did the basic car, fast road, track pad colour code change? was it Green, yellow Red and now green red yellow blue?

 

What pads have you got that give the same performance as carbone Lorraine?

 

Which CL pad compound do you want to compare against?

 

Just received a parcel with free sets of pads to try ,one for my front apracing brakes and 2 for rear oem brembos. Did not expect rears till yesterday when i got a message about them added to a parcel. Im very happy. Think i need new front apracing discs before i put them on.

 

Which CL pad compound do you want to compare against?

 

Glad they arrived, let us all know how you get on.

 

What's happened to your Orange stuff pads?

Previously and currently advertised as this:
"EBC Orangestuff Full Race Brake Pads
In its third year of use the Orangestuff compound has proved to be a great solution for medium/longer duration race".

Now Orange stuff pads are prefaced with this:
"Track and race pads for cars below 250bhp in shorter races".

 

Things do change, but I can tell you;

Below 250hp in shorter races, Go for Bluestuff

Medium/longer duration, Go for the RP range.

 

What?

Bluestuff are now Orangestuff? Is that Bluestuff or Bluestuff NDX that are now Orangestuff?
Orangestuff are now the RP range?
So, Orangestuff are being discontinued?

 

In our general experience Orange has not been an overly successful pad

It has a very narrow temperature band and if outside this temperature they can be very inconsistent which majority of users do not like

Wear is also higher than blue and sometimes less than yellow

UK use and most of northern Europe we have hardly found anyone who likes it with blue being the preferred option

Customers in Dubai like it on Toyota GT86 track cars at the Dubai race circuit but its dry and 40c + all the time

It is still available and if a car and driver likes it then it is ok to go ahead and use it as before.

 

Well the EBC's have been taken off my shortlist tonight. Pads faded to the point of no bite going into a tight corner. Yes they recovered pretty quickly but failing like that on the road just isn't good enough. It was only about 5 degrees, wet and I had winter tyres on so I wasn't even pushing that hard. Never a problem I've faced with the Ferrodo's even in the dry close to 30 degrees. I have to say I've been finding them a little inconsistent when pushing on too. They constantly change how much bite they have as they heat and cool so I never really knew what they were going to bite like going into corners.

 

Looks like they changed compound on blues, eco friendly could be a key. Will be nice when they change compound to release new name ( plenty of colours left )

 

Was the Orangestuff ever changed beyond the initial batch discussions that came from the GTR forums? Like I said before my original Orangestuff's were great, a really well rounded high performance pad. The second set match the comments from other people that you refer to above where it's inconsistent and very temperature sensitive with a narrow window.

 

Just want to say I gave the brakes a fresh bleed and switched to the PS4 tyre's before driving the same road to give the pads the best possible chance to impress me but the result was exactly the same. Failed at pretty much exactly the same corner. Sorry EBC but they just aren't good enough especially for the cost of them. I'm actually seriously considering taking the Blue's out and refitting the Godspeed Kevlar pads.

 

Daft question, but I've seen it mentioned quite a few times that the Bluestuff is a very bed-in sensitive pad, and that most of the time they haven't been bedded in hard enough to really work well. How much bedding in did you do? This is far from 'victim blaming' btw, I firmly believe that a road based pad should have 'easy bed in' as a prime criteria, after all most people are not in a position to spend weeks with a g meter and IR thermometer trying to work out whether their pads are 'properly' bedded in. I've got a set of blues to replace my oranges with but haven't actually got the car back into a drivable state yet to see if my impressions match yours, but I'm intrigued. Are they in the OEM 4 pot Sumitomo calipers? I really liked mine in them, once they were warm and before they fell off a rather steep cliff when too hit (so in other words, they were good in an operating window but outside of it they sucked). I'm wondering how that latter bit will change given I've now got 330mm AP's on there which obviously have a lot more capacity to deal with heat than the 294mm OEM brakes did.

Which bits of road were you using btw? I'm guessing there's a good chance I've been on them as I've spent a lot of time down that way.

 

Bedding in I drove gently for a few hundred miles then found a long straight and did many hard stops from 60ish to 20ish until they faded. About as hard as I could safely bed them in on the road in my opinion. If they need any more than that they absolutely should not be sold as a road going pad.

Yes OE 4 pots although they’re on my non turbo Hawkeye so it’s not exactly like I’m going warp speed on the straights.

The road I like to use as a test is the road from Selkirk to St Mary’s Loch. It’s a bit out of my way so I don’t drive it all that often but it’s nice when I do.

 

Have used both red and yellow compounds in the past thinking I was upgrading from standard but actually found them no better than a standard pad in all honesty. Now use Performance Friction pads and can honestly say there is a noticeable improvement all round with negligible dust increase. Your discs seem good value and fine in quality but I lost all confidence in your pads sorry.

 

I know that road well, it's a good one. The A701 from Moffat back up to Edinburgh is a great loop.

Totally agree with your view on bedding in. Road pads should be solid, dependable and predictable with an easily followed bedding in procedure that gives good results. That people's varying views suggests that they are very finicky.

 

i did not bed in blues, my first drive with 355mm discs -driving home i could use two streets where 2nd turn is approx 30yards after 1st ,i pushed brakes gently as usual for 2nd turn and i recognised i could slow down enough for 1st turn i pushed brakes harder and almost stopped in place,thats with ebc blue pads bath released approx 10y ago ,i bought them 2nd time

 

I notice EBC appear to have gone very quiet. I did expect them to tell me I had bedded them in wrong or something but so far no comments.

 

How did you bed them in?

 

Few posts up.

 

Ok, We want to get you sorted out and happy with the correct pad for your driving style. Let me know if you want me to send you some alternative options so We can make you happy. Maybe we could send you some Orange pads, some RP pads for if you head to the track and some new brake fluid? Always happy to try and make anyone completely happy. Please bear with Me if I don't respond immediately as the forums are very busy at the moment.

 

That’s a kind offer however I don’t believe the Orangestuff’s are suitable for my needs given they don’t have R90 approval and I want to remain legal. This car is never going to see track time. My WRX with Brembo’s will at some point but I need to finish building it first.

 

Apologies, the offer was for these on the track, bad wording on my part. Is there anything I can do to make you happy?