IdonthaveaScooby

No gloves though or glasses


tricky to deal with coins

IdonthaveaScooby

So weve got one last hurrah , to get legless and infected down the boozer

best go out with a bang

society need as many guinea pigs as possible

Henrik

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This is getting more and more surreal! A Tory government with a firehose of public spending, pubs, gyms, schools, nurseries etc etc closed.

I keep thinking to myself "oh yeah, when I see so and so colleague on tomorrow I'll ..." but of course I will not be seeing them for many weeks to come!

lozgti1

Months....lol

ALi-B

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Cheers. I’ve blocked redtops from my feeds ages ago.

My sources are BBC, Reuters, free parts of the Financial Times and The Guardian. Most of which have published so many Coronivirus stories the actual facts get lost amongst the overload of journalistic noise...same goes with TV!

ALi-B

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Not wanting to go full George Orwell on you, but we are all guinea pigs in this: The government isolation and shut down demands will be the perfect test of how compliant the wider public is at obeying.

lozgti1

These are the strangest times I have ever known in my 52 years on this earth.

They really are. Been insulated from everything else that goes on on this planet for so long.

Apart from that, been great not seeing clients and them hassling me! Apart from being skint, its great

Might detail my car over next few days

lozgti1

Just worried bout running out of wine and spam. But I won't panic buy.lol

David Wilkinson 555

that’s my plan too. I actually have the time to properly clean my wrx now

matt-c

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OP been quiet.

IdonthaveaScooby

Well that billion extra pounds worth uneaten grub , isnt round mine

maybe collangatta had it...

IdonthaveaScooby

48hrs from total lockdown ?


heard from next door that army / otherwise mass movement of supplies M25

suppose this could be fro the 1.5m

RAGGY DOO

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What's the panic lads? Sure it's just an overreaction to a bit of flu you've been saying for weeks now haaaaaa

lozgti1

??....

lozgti1

Think we are about a month behind what we should have been doing. And the government knew

lozgti1

This is serious. Do your best not to be silly. Dont' normally give people on here a hard time

hedgecutter

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You are so right. Like many holiday regions, Cornwall is suffering an influx. The whole county has 1 major hospital, with 15 icu beds.
The **** is about to hit the fan, as the feckwits of society carry on as usual. They've graduated from dropping dog bags of **** and hogging the middle lane to contributing to the deaths of 1000's. This WILL happen by June.
Get the troops out.

IdonthaveaScooby

Government changed their minds on best way fwd at some point

look at India , that could be be catastrophic

BMWhere?

They governments response has been hopelessly inadequate, reacting far too late and making all the same mistakes as Italy in a country with a far worse health service which was already on its knees without the additional stress of the corona virus.

hedgecutter

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Prodrive are at the forefront of changing to ventilator production, along with other motorsport engineers. Something positive.

jonc

Since I first commented on this thread only 20 days ago where there were only 51 cases and 0 deaths to now over 5600 cases and 280 deaths, to be fair, how do you prepare for that? I don't think anyone here or the medical experts could have predicted the speed with which it has spread. Since then the Government has given advice that has resulted in the closure shops, pubs, leisure centres, gyms, cinemas, major sporting events, festivals, etc, committed hundreds of billions into NHS, funding salaries of millions workers, delayed taxes for all businesses for a year etc. Forgot the polictial personalities and caricatures that we hold of our ministers for a moment and think as a Government, given the short time frame, some recognition should be to the Government in pulling out all the stops to try and keep this country running the best it can. They can only do so much and can't count on the collective stupidity and selfishness of individuals not heeding the Governments advice.

BMWhere?

They could and should have reacted much sooner with a consistent and serious message. The signs were there from China and in particular Italy, that it was critical to react quickly, yet Boris stance was "yeah, its OK, were about a month behind Italy so no need to do anything yet!".
Germany reacted very quickly following the outbreak in Italy and also has one of the best health systems in the world, the results are clear to see when you look at the WHO website for cases to date (23/3).
Germany: 21463 cases and 67 deaths
UK: 5018 cases and 233 deaths

There has been simply too little testing and too much of a blasé attitude from Boris and his government which has allowed the virus to spiral out of control in the UK and the result will be the same disaster that has happened in Italy

Meanwhile Germany is now offering its spare capacity in hospitals to neighboring countries as it now has a firm grip on the spread. According to figures from the Robert Koch Institute, infections peaked in Germany on 19/3 with 3300 new cases, since then it has been falling with 2500 new cases on 20/3, 1700 on 21/3 and just 493 new cases on 22/3!

Now tell me again how amazingly well Boris has done?

hedgecutter

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They only shut pubs and cafes etc on Saturday after Macron and other EU states threatened to shut borders with us on Friday.

jonc

Hindsight it is a wonderful thing. It was only a month or so ago that you yourself said there is no need to panic about it and that the media is blowing it up out of proportion. Had the Government put it drastic measures in locking down the country country back then, when little was know about how it was spreading and who was spreading it, when cases were of a small number, that would have been seen as massive over reaction by the Government and no doubt would have been met with great resistance; no one would be following the rules. If there has been too little testing, when would you suggest was the best time to test everyone? Surely testing everyone early would just lead a lot of negative results, a run down in the stock of test kits and the tying up of NHS staff testing and processing the results? Has Boris been blasé or is he trying to prevent mass panic? Germany's figures peaked only 4 days ago, no one knew whether Germany's handling of the coronavirus would work or not a month or so ago! With that being said, Spain and Italy has been in full lockdown for nearly 2 weeks and cases are still rising. I know the Government we have is the best we could hope for scraped from the bottom of a barrel, but I was genuinely suprised with the measures they've put in to keep the country running, because I personally don't think anything can be done to stop the spread, given the general population's collective stupidity and selfishness.

So, if Boris isn't doing enough, what would you have him do? I'm genuinely interested in what you would put in place that would stop or reduce the spread, bearing in mind how stubborn the general UK population can be!!

BMWhere?

I still believe the virus itself is nothing to particularly fear as the majority of people will experience little more than a typical seasonal flu. What I didn't appreciate in my original posts was that the how the virus would overwhelm the health system and that the number of deaths would be directly related to the capacity of the health service. When the virus was only significantly in China, that message was not being delivered even though the hints were there with China rapidly building new hospitals.

In Italy it was quickly very apparent how rapid the spread of the virus is and quickly the health system would be overwhelmed. In France and Spain you can argue they were also overwhelmed before lessons from Italy could be learned, but Germany and the UK were not. Germany listened to Italy and took immediate action, going into full lockdown at the same time as France and Spain despite have far fewer cases at the time.

Even now, the UK still doesn't have full lockdown! The response has been pitifully slow by the government and the messages have been inconsistent, so it is no wonder that so many people are defying the self-isolation recommendations and continuing to panic buy. In Germany there was a brief amount of panic buying, but quickly eased and the supermarkets are now fully stocked.

What should the UK have done differently? They should have listened to what Italy was telling the world and acted immediately with much more stringent measures and better stressing to the public how important it was to accept the restrictions and not panic buy. In Germany they announced funding and support for businesses that could no longer trade immediately as they brought in restrictions. The public were immediately reassured that they would still have a job and still get paid, not several days later.

The UK has clearly prioritised the economy over public health and as such allowed fear and uncertainty to spread through society.

I've seen the reactions from both sides and the UK response has been terrible! Then I see posts on Facebook and forums saying what an amazing job Boris is doing and he's the best man to get us through this crisis, but when you see things from the other side, you just see how pitiful his response has been. Sure, maybe Corbyn would have been equally bad and maybe part of the problem lies in the British culture, but the response has to be driven by government and Boris' government response has been woefully bad!

jonc

Germany has imposed full lock down in just 2 states only two days ago and they currently have over 27,000 cases.
https://www.thelocal.de/20200320/bav...mpose-lockdown
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

UK has just over 5800 cases and are set to impose a full lock down across the whole country, spending billions on the NHS to tackle the coronavirus, is asking retired doctors and nurses to come out of retirement, has ask manufacturers to help build more ventilators, requisitioned thousands more hospital beds and staff from private hospitals, are keeping schools open to help with childcare for NHS staff and paying the salaries of hunderds of thousands of workers to maintian their standard of living, I think that is striking a fair balance between allowing the economy go to rack and ruin and maintaining public health. This and on top of all the other things I've said previously, you still consider the Government isn't doing enough and their response as worfully bad? I think you expect far too much of what the Government is able to deliver whilst still maintaining our freedom and liberty.

Mr Fuji

I must say, Boris and his cronies really shouldn't be surprised that people are ignoring the advice around social distancing, they have spent the past 5 years convincing people that they shouldn't listen to experts (Gove June 2016 - "people in this country have had enough of experts" ), so who'd have thought that would come back to bite them?

Is it me, or does Boris just look like a lost little kid, utterly out of his depth?

jonc

I don't think that is the case. It's more the case that people are ingnorant, stupid and selfish believing it won't affect them any worse that a mild case cold or flu and don't give a **** that they'll pass it on someone who is vulnerable.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/23/man-l...irus-12441271/
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/22/boy-r...eets-12438788/

Also when you tell people that there's no need to panic buy or keep your distance, especially someone in authority, people generally do the complete opposite:
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/what...crowds-3973229
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/bla...-risk-17961734
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504

And this was only the weekend just gone.......

BMWhere?

The figures I quoted were from the WHO site, so not the most up to date, but the most reliable source.
The full lockdown is nation wide. Bavaria and Saarland were the first to announce the lockdown on Thursday last week starting Friday. The national government then recommended on Friday morning that other states to also implement a lockdown which they duly did, starting in some cases on Friday or at latest Saturday.
The full lockdowns do not prevent anyone going to work, but only apply to socialising outside of work. There are no restrictions on going to supermarkets or doctors either. Much of the economy is still functioning as normal with many people working from home or still going to their normal place of work. I'm still at work as working from home is not so easy for my job, although I am prepared to work from home if needs be, although I will be less productive.
Many restrictions have been in place far longer and go on a state by state basis. Where I am, the first restrictions came into place 3 weeks ago. Schools have been completely closed for a week. Restaurants had to close a 6pm since two weeks and since Friday can only deliver. Bars have been completely closed for two weeks. The size of groups of people which could meet has been constantly reduced from 10, then 5, then 3 and now no more than 2 and police have been issuing fines for anyone who disobeys the rules.

Andycat

Anyone know if this 80% pay the goverment are paying employers is free....or is it a loan everyone/company takes have to pay back? cheers