Coronavirus Pah!
26 November 2021, 11:35 AM
#1802
Scooby Regular
Just because they haven't figured out the virus yet and vaccinated people can still get infected (but they should be less effected if they get covid), why does it make it a conspiracy theory?
For everyone that believes on the depopulation theory, can you please help me answer a question.
I think we all agree that 'the system' makes money from the workforce paying taxes hence the continuous increase of the retirement age (we will all be working in our graves in the future).
If the depopulation theory is true and UK's population dropped to 15m as some want to believe, the workforce would be around 7m (assuming the same % as now). How would 'the system' and the 'ones who control our lives' benefit?
For everyone that believes on the depopulation theory, can you please help me answer a question.
I think we all agree that 'the system' makes money from the workforce paying taxes hence the continuous increase of the retirement age (we will all be working in our graves in the future).
If the depopulation theory is true and UK's population dropped to 15m as some want to believe, the workforce would be around 7m (assuming the same % as now). How would 'the system' and the 'ones who control our lives' benefit?
so its bull****
it’s about controlling the population
not getting rid of it !
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 26 November 2021 at 11:37 AM.
26 November 2021, 12:32 PM
#1804
Scooby Regular
26 November 2021, 12:38 PM
#1805
They have to come up with something else then as it's obviously not working; the pro-vaxers (believers) don't need to be vaccinated to be controlled as they are sheep already, the anti-vaxers won't get injected with controlling substances so let's see what they will come up with next.
26 November 2021, 04:41 PM
#1807
Scooby Regular
More likely than most, but still don't think it was top of his list if a priority at all!
For a cohesive society both the rich and poor have to respect each others worth in society which is not really Corbyn's style!
Oddly enough, I think this is an area that Johnson actually gets quite well; at least in his role as London Mayor he was on the right track! But thanks to Brexit and having to live with the more right wing elements of his party in key front roles, there is f*** all chance of anything changing!
For a cohesive society both the rich and poor have to respect each others worth in society which is not really Corbyn's style!
Oddly enough, I think this is an area that Johnson actually gets quite well; at least in his role as London Mayor he was on the right track! But thanks to Brexit and having to live with the more right wing elements of his party in key front roles, there is f*** all chance of anything changing!
29 November 2021, 09:15 AM
#1814
Scooby Regular
They dont
nothing stops the virus except the virus mutating natrually and thus our bodies producing immunity
rest assured the new promised vaccine for the new strain here for feb 2022 will ENSURE omicron will not mutate before Moderna has made its cash
along with every other ppp supplier , owned by the elite
nothing stops the virus except the virus mutating natrually and thus our bodies producing immunity
rest assured the new promised vaccine for the new strain here for feb 2022 will ENSURE omicron will not mutate before Moderna has made its cash
along with every other ppp supplier , owned by the elite
29 November 2021, 10:12 AM
#1816
They dont
nothing stops the virus except the virus mutating natrually and thus our bodies producing immunity
rest assured the new promised vaccine for the new strain here for feb 2022 will ENSURE omicron will not mutate before Moderna has made its cash
along with every other ppp supplier , owned by the elite
nothing stops the virus except the virus mutating natrually and thus our bodies producing immunity
rest assured the new promised vaccine for the new strain here for feb 2022 will ENSURE omicron will not mutate before Moderna has made its cash
along with every other ppp supplier , owned by the elite
29 November 2021, 11:18 AM
#1817
Scooby Regular
Man oh Man, this whole 'anti-vaxx' thing just shows how distrustful of establishment & governments some people really are... the disconnect is massive... 
I can't help but think the Internet has played a huge part in this - the dissemination of dubuious, or even downright outrageous 'facts' is widespread... the whole "I read it on the Internet, so it must be true"
Unbelievable that people really think their own national governments are either actively trying to kill them off, or 'control them' is nuts....
I guarantee you the Govenrment wishes all this crap was over too!
I can't help but think the Internet has played a huge part in this - the dissemination of dubuious, or even downright outrageous 'facts' is widespread... the whole "I read it on the Internet, so it must be true"
Unbelievable that people really think their own national governments are either actively trying to kill them off, or 'control them' is nuts....
I guarantee you the Govenrment wishes all this crap was over too!
29 November 2021, 11:41 AM
#1818
Scooby Regular
NONE of those vaccines are mRNA based experiments
https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-in...vaccine-safety
clealry you are ignoring this
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 29 November 2021 at 11:42 AM.
29 November 2021, 12:04 PM
#1819
NONE of those vaccines are mRNA based experiments
https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-in...vaccine-safety
clealry you are ignoring this
https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-in...vaccine-safety
clealry you are ignoring this
mRNA is not an experiment, it's proven tech. Why do people keep saying this? Also, it has been through the same trial (and passed) as any other vaccine.
29 November 2021, 01:02 PM
#1822
mRNA has been a work in progress for decades now. Bit unfair to say it's experimental at this point.
I admit it's a bit unerving the idea of injecting something that "programs" your cells to make a particular protein, however this is an incredible achievement for humanity to get to this point of being able to do that.
This whole not believing anything you see in the media and thinking you know or are uncovering some big secret is getting on my t**ts, those who fall for it will be the ones sadly dying of covid.
I admit it's a bit unerving the idea of injecting something that "programs" your cells to make a particular protein, however this is an incredible achievement for humanity to get to this point of being able to do that.
This whole not believing anything you see in the media and thinking you know or are uncovering some big secret is getting on my t**ts, those who fall for it will be the ones sadly dying of covid.
29 November 2021, 01:37 PM
#1823
Vaccination has enabled to us to fight these, and now we can live with some, others have been eradicated completely. Again, this is well documented and not really up for debate. We understand the immune system, we understand how to give it a kick with vaccination. No one is saying your immune system cannot overwhelm covid-19, the survival rate obviously suggests otherwise. Even the most virulent of diseases don't have 100% mortality rate, the worst run at around 80%, so clearly, in the great scheme of things, this one doesn't seem that bad.
However, all the great plagues or viruses have not been airborne, ebola bubonic plague etc are passed through direct contact. Covid-19 is a totally different ball game, which is why we need to minimise its spread. The concern is that with unchecked infection, one of the mutations will turn out to be extremely dangerous, then you could see some really grim death tolls. This is what happened to the Spanish Flu pandemic at the end of WWI. OK, in general they tend to mutate to become less deadly, as killing your host quickly doesn't really increase your chance of infecting new hosts, but even with this one, we have seen some troubling mutations, like Delta, which is both more transmissable and more a more serious illness. Omicron is as yet an unknow quantity, but early signs are that it is at least more transmissable.
But all that is established science, so your statement about us surviving down to luck (and for only 10000 years??!!? You're not a young Earther, are you?) would suggest that you do not understand (or have not learned) this stuff, but then I have to ask, why believe a load of similarly uninformed people on social media rather than go and look at actual scientific journals, or even simple history? Assuming you're not a mechanic, if your car breaks, do you ask joe5567 on Facebook how to fix it, or do you take it to a garage? Similarly, if you start vomiting every day for no obvious reason, do you go to the doctor or hospital, or do you look up on Youtube for likely causes and start taking all sorts of unproven stuff to try and fix it?
Paranoia is not a good base for scientific (or any other for that matter) judgement or doubt. These vaccines are not experimental, they have not been rushed (just had enormous resources thrown at them), mutations are normal, new vaccines are always required for viruses that mutate to a degree where their characteristics can no longer be targeted by the current one - this is evolution 101.
29 November 2021, 02:29 PM
#1824
We are already controlled in that we conform to a society that has laws, social norms, culture etc etc.
What is the control you fear? Do you think that someone can press a button and all the vaccinated people will start walking of cliffs like lemmings?
What is the control you fear? Do you think that someone can press a button and all the vaccinated people will start walking of cliffs like lemmings?
29 November 2021, 02:32 PM
#1825
Scooby Regular
29 November 2021, 02:35 PM
#1826
Scooby Regular
mRNA has been a work in progress for decades now. Bit unfair to say it's experimental at this point.
I admit it's a bit unerving the idea of injecting something that "programs" your cells to make a particular protein, however this is an incredible achievement for humanity to get to this point of being able to do that.
This whole not believing anything you see in the media and thinking you know or are uncovering some big secret is getting on my t**ts, those who fall for it will be the ones sadly dying of covid.
I admit it's a bit unerving the idea of injecting something that "programs" your cells to make a particular protein, however this is an incredible achievement for humanity to get to this point of being able to do that.
This whole not believing anything you see in the media and thinking you know or are uncovering some big secret is getting on my t**ts, those who fall for it will be the ones sadly dying of covid.
Until i knew about Gain of Function research i would be same as you and im double vaccinated
but now im afraid im suspicious
particularly in connection with USA war mongering around the world in the guise as Saviours , money for which is invented out of thin air
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 29 November 2021 at 02:40 PM.
29 November 2021, 02:56 PM
#1827
Scooby Regular
It is possible now to mount a bio weapon on a war head from what i can gather
this only needs to land on some american soldiers placed in the middle east , and the worlds media on it to convince it was launched from Iran , and bingo another excuse for more usa war mongering thousands of miles from home
this only needs to land on some american soldiers placed in the middle east , and the worlds media on it to convince it was launched from Iran , and bingo another excuse for more usa war mongering thousands of miles from home
29 November 2021, 02:59 PM
#1828
I suspect both you and I know very little about gain of function research, it sounds scary in relation to viruses. However it could be that such research will allow us to understand how virus behaviour changes and be better equipped to combat it in future.
Most money is created out of thin air, it is after all an abitrary construct that we have created.
Most money is created out of thin air, it is after all an abitrary construct that we have created.
29 November 2021, 03:02 PM
#1829
It is possible now to mount a bio weapon on a war head from what i can gather
this only needs to land on some american soldiers placed in the middle east , and the worlds media on it to convince it was launched from Iran , and bingo another excuse for more usa war mongering thousands of miles from home
this only needs to land on some american soldiers placed in the middle east , and the worlds media on it to convince it was launched from Iran , and bingo another excuse for more usa war mongering thousands of miles from home
29 November 2021, 03:06 PM
#1830
Scooby Regular
So humanity has evolved to make us immune (or able to survive) lots of things. However, the death toll is immense, the price we pay, if you like. There are lots of known diseases to which we either have no immunity whatsoever, or our immune systems forget relatively quickly. To deny this is, well, just foolish.
Vaccination has enabled to us to fight these, and now we can live with some, others have been eradicated completely. Again, this is well documented and not really up for debate. We understand the immune system, we understand how to give it a kick with vaccination. No one is saying your immune system cannot overwhelm covid-19, the survival rate obviously suggests otherwise. Even the most virulent of diseases don't have 100% mortality rate, the worst run at around 80%, so clearly, in the great scheme of things, this one doesn't seem that bad.
However, all the great plagues or viruses have not been airborne, ebola bubonic plague etc are passed through direct contact. Covid-19 is a totally different ball game, which is why we need to minimise its spread. The concern is that with unchecked infection, one of the mutations will turn out to be extremely dangerous, then you could see some really grim death tolls. This is what happened to the Spanish Flu pandemic at the end of WWI. OK, in general they tend to mutate to become less deadly, as killing your host quickly doesn't really increase your chance of infecting new hosts, but even with this one, we have seen some troubling mutations, like Delta, which is both more transmissable and more a more serious illness. Omicron is as yet an unknow quantity, but early signs are that it is at least more transmissable.
But all that is established science, so your statement about us surviving down to luck (and for only 10000 years??!!? You're not a young Earther, are you?) would suggest that you do not understand (or have not learned) this stuff, but then I have to ask, why believe a load of similarly uninformed people on social media rather than go and look at actual scientific journals, or even simple history? Assuming you're not a mechanic, if your car breaks, do you ask joe5567 on Facebook how to fix it, or do you take it to a garage? Similarly, if you start vomiting every day for no obvious reason, do you go to the doctor or hospital, or do you look up on Youtube for likely causes and start taking all sorts of unproven stuff to try and fix it?
Paranoia is not a good base for scientific (or any other for that matter) judgement or doubt. These vaccines are not experimental, they have not been rushed (just had enormous resources thrown at them), mutations are normal, new vaccines are always required for viruses that mutate to a degree where their characteristics can no longer be targeted by the current one - this is evolution 101.
Vaccination has enabled to us to fight these, and now we can live with some, others have been eradicated completely. Again, this is well documented and not really up for debate. We understand the immune system, we understand how to give it a kick with vaccination. No one is saying your immune system cannot overwhelm covid-19, the survival rate obviously suggests otherwise. Even the most virulent of diseases don't have 100% mortality rate, the worst run at around 80%, so clearly, in the great scheme of things, this one doesn't seem that bad.
However, all the great plagues or viruses have not been airborne, ebola bubonic plague etc are passed through direct contact. Covid-19 is a totally different ball game, which is why we need to minimise its spread. The concern is that with unchecked infection, one of the mutations will turn out to be extremely dangerous, then you could see some really grim death tolls. This is what happened to the Spanish Flu pandemic at the end of WWI. OK, in general they tend to mutate to become less deadly, as killing your host quickly doesn't really increase your chance of infecting new hosts, but even with this one, we have seen some troubling mutations, like Delta, which is both more transmissable and more a more serious illness. Omicron is as yet an unknow quantity, but early signs are that it is at least more transmissable.
But all that is established science, so your statement about us surviving down to luck (and for only 10000 years??!!? You're not a young Earther, are you?) would suggest that you do not understand (or have not learned) this stuff, but then I have to ask, why believe a load of similarly uninformed people on social media rather than go and look at actual scientific journals, or even simple history? Assuming you're not a mechanic, if your car breaks, do you ask joe5567 on Facebook how to fix it, or do you take it to a garage? Similarly, if you start vomiting every day for no obvious reason, do you go to the doctor or hospital, or do you look up on Youtube for likely causes and start taking all sorts of unproven stuff to try and fix it?
Paranoia is not a good base for scientific (or any other for that matter) judgement or doubt. These vaccines are not experimental, they have not been rushed (just had enormous resources thrown at them), mutations are normal, new vaccines are always required for viruses that mutate to a degree where their characteristics can no longer be targeted by the current one - this is evolution 101.
The death toll is NOT immense , compared to the numbers that die daily naurally !
ffs
95 % of fatalites are those that are not healthy
how many are dying across the world as a result of restrictions ?