Coronavirus Pah!
29 November 2021, 03:10 PM
#1831
Scooby Regular
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 29 November 2021 at 04:47 PM.
29 November 2021, 03:11 PM
#1832
Scooby Regular
29 November 2021, 03:20 PM
#1833
Did you even read all of my response? The death toll for our immunity or partial immunity over the entire human history (which is greater then 10000 years!) is immense, not the covid19 death toll (and even then if you think 5 millions deaths is acceptable during a time period when people were taking quite drastic measures to stop its spread....)
29 November 2021, 03:34 PM
#1834
If you believe this is beyond them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
What I doubt any one will dispute is that nation states on the east and the west do carry out subversive activities.
My opinion is that there is no such activity relating to the response to Covid-19, reasoning is that there is no framework for the governments of all these competing nations to suddenly collaborate in a conspiracy against the global population.
Regarding the origin of the virus that is still unknown and may never be known, but it seems to great a coincidence with the location of the Wuhan lab. Then if it were to be deliberately leaked as i suspect many believe, then why do it on your own people?
29 November 2021, 03:55 PM
#1835
I have a scenario I'm concerned about.
Republicans continue to stoke fear and division in America, 2024 Presedential election is again declared stolen or corrupted (by either side), civil disturbance turns to civil war, then with America in turmoil, China, Russia, xxx are emboldened to invade others, could be Ukraine, Taiwan etc.
Hopefully that does not happen, although I do expect an end game with the current Republican strategy of jumping down rabbit holes of lies and misinformation while having no policies to deal with the real issues facing the people is unsustainable.
Republicans continue to stoke fear and division in America, 2024 Presedential election is again declared stolen or corrupted (by either side), civil disturbance turns to civil war, then with America in turmoil, China, Russia, xxx are emboldened to invade others, could be Ukraine, Taiwan etc.
Hopefully that does not happen, although I do expect an end game with the current Republican strategy of jumping down rabbit holes of lies and misinformation while having no policies to deal with the real issues facing the people is unsustainable.
29 November 2021, 07:17 PM
#1837
Scooby Regular
unfortunatley , weve all go to take the vaccine , so that wont be allowed to happen
30 November 2021, 11:48 AM
#1841
There is on such thing as unnatural immunity. All a vaccine does is trigger your immune response. It just uses something that will not harm you (generally, but 1 in 15000 chance of heart attack is better that 2 in 100 chance of dying 
) so your immune system builds antibodies. When you get the proper infection, your body's response is already prepared, so it can defeat the virus easily and quickly. The actual process of how your immune system responds to covid19 (or any other disease we can vaccinate against) is exactly the same, it's not a case of natural or not, and your 'memory' of that infection is the same, too. Catching it and fighting it off will not give any better immunity from future infections of covid19 than being vaccinated.
) so your immune system builds antibodies. When you get the proper infection, your body's response is already prepared, so it can defeat the virus easily and quickly. The actual process of how your immune system responds to covid19 (or any other disease we can vaccinate against) is exactly the same, it's not a case of natural or not, and your 'memory' of that infection is the same, too. Catching it and fighting it off will not give any better immunity from future infections of covid19 than being vaccinated.
30 November 2021, 12:10 PM
#1844
Scooby Regular
There is on such thing as unnatural immunity. All a vaccine does is trigger your immune response. It just uses something that will not harm you (generally, but 1 in 15000 chance of heart attack is better that 2 in 100 chance of dying ) so your immune system builds antibodies. When you get the proper infection, your body's response is already prepared, so it can defeat the virus easily and quickly. The actual process of how your immune system responds to covid19 (or any other disease we can vaccinate against) is exactly the same, it's not a case of natural or not, and your 'memory' of that infection is the same, too. Catching it and fighting it off will not give any better immunity from future infections of covid19 than being vaccinated.
) so your immune system builds antibodies. When you get the proper infection, your body's response is already prepared, so it can defeat the virus easily and quickly. The actual process of how your immune system responds to covid19 (or any other disease we can vaccinate against) is exactly the same, it's not a case of natural or not, and your 'memory' of that infection is the same, too. Catching it and fighting it off will not give any better immunity from future infections of covid19 than being vaccinated.Man they cannot keep up with the number of variants , mutations , spike proteins
What does this tell you. !!?
they are busy pretending this is only in Africa , it could be anywhere
30 November 2021, 12:26 PM
#1846
30 November 2021, 01:39 PM
#1847
This is a different subject altogether. I can see why some people get doubtful over intentions and can fall prey to dis/misinformation regarding vaccines etc. as you have a new variant with an undetermined danger, and we see new travel restrictions.
There is no clear evidence that Omicron is more deadly, but it does seem to be more transmissable. As covid19 will be with us for ever, I do wonder what the exit strategy is for governments, and I that what conspiracy theorists and anit-vaxxers latch on to this as proof of whatever rubbish they feel free to peddle, but it's just indicative of of these administrations not really being prepared in the first place, and once they actually kicked into gear, don't really know how to extricate themselves. You can see why, to a degree, no govt wants a huge increase in deaths, whether they really care or not, it doesn't reflect well on them, and they need to get re-elected. If they are too cautious, they are seen to be oppressing people or ruining the economy. It's lose lose!
But, only have to look at the utter incompetence of something like Brexit since we voted to leave, the wrangling between us and the EU, between the US and China, the distrust between Russia and the West, the total lack of will to solve climate change, to realise that even the remotest possibility that all these countries would then be able to co-operate and co-ordinate a worldwide pandemic, that would happen to suit all of their needs simultaneously, it just utter bollox!
Occam's razor
There is no clear evidence that Omicron is more deadly, but it does seem to be more transmissable. As covid19 will be with us for ever, I do wonder what the exit strategy is for governments, and I that what conspiracy theorists and anit-vaxxers latch on to this as proof of whatever rubbish they feel free to peddle, but it's just indicative of of these administrations not really being prepared in the first place, and once they actually kicked into gear, don't really know how to extricate themselves. You can see why, to a degree, no govt wants a huge increase in deaths, whether they really care or not, it doesn't reflect well on them, and they need to get re-elected. If they are too cautious, they are seen to be oppressing people or ruining the economy. It's lose lose!
But, only have to look at the utter incompetence of something like Brexit since we voted to leave, the wrangling between us and the EU, between the US and China, the distrust between Russia and the West, the total lack of will to solve climate change, to realise that even the remotest possibility that all these countries would then be able to co-operate and co-ordinate a worldwide pandemic, that would happen to suit all of their needs simultaneously, it just utter bollox!
Occam's razor
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02 December 2021, 09:05 AM
#1849
Scooby Regular
Mr Pfizer wants to inject your 5 years ols , on the back of this !
mandatory across Europe
mandatory across Europe
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 02 December 2021 at 09:26 AM.
02 December 2021, 09:36 AM
#1851
Why do you think tis all to do with money or control? Human history is replete with pandemics, we understand how viruses develop, we understand how vaccines work, the risks and limitations, why is this suddenly some great conspiracy when it hasn't been before?
02 December 2021, 09:37 AM
#1852
Scooby Senior
02 December 2021, 09:49 AM
#1853
Scooby Regular
It’ll certainly help their share price
( It has never been mandatory to be vaccinated afaik)
( It has never been mandatory to be vaccinated afaik)
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 02 December 2021 at 09:51 AM.
02 December 2021, 10:05 AM
#1855
02 December 2021, 11:03 AM
#1856
Scooby Regular
This is what you’ve to look fwd to
Yet, according to Yaqiu ****, a China researcher for Human Rights Watch, coercive tactics including harassment and spying are being reported in some parts of China.
pharma works hand in hand with the military
do you really trust the US military after all the lies you’ve been told
Yet, according to Yaqiu ****, a China researcher for Human Rights Watch, coercive tactics including harassment and spying are being reported in some parts of China.
pharma works hand in hand with the military
do you really trust the US military after all the lies you’ve been told
Last edited by IdonthaveaScooby; 02 December 2021 at 03:15 PM.
02 December 2021, 03:33 PM
#1859
Scooby Regular
Ursula / EU going to insist on jab for all
02 December 2021, 03:51 PM
#1860
Scooby Senior
So, tell me why exactly you've become so paranoid about the use of Covid vaccination?